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Re: [linux-lvm] LVM in shared parallel SCSI environment



Hi,

Heinz and his LVM team (we've hired two new LVM developers)
as well as the GFS team have worked
out a preliminary design for cluster LVM.  The plan is too
include it in the 1.0 release.

I totally agree with Jos:  a cluster volume manager is very
useful, and should stand alone (but also be compatible with)
a cluster file system like GFS.  There is a tremendous amount
of commercial activity in the area of volume management
software for shared SAN storage.  Imagine you have 2 
$3 million dollar EMC symmetrix disk arrays, each attached
to independent servers.  If one of these symmetrix fills up,
you have to buy another for just that server alone, even if
the other server's symmetrix has lots of free space.

If instead you share these 2 symmetrix boxen across a san,
then you can expand the PV for one machine into the other
the symmetrix with free space, and there is no need to buy
another array.  This is a key reason why shared SAN storage is
taking off.



Matt O'Keefe
Sistina Software, Inc.

On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 08:04:14AM +0100, Jos Visser wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Though most has already been said in this thread, just a small followup
> with some notes and thoughts.
> 
> The traditional volume managers on HP-UX, Solaris (VxVM) and AIX do not
> usually support shared access to a volume group from two or more nodes,
> even if the nodes access different logical volumes. This is done
> explicitly to prevent the kind of problems that have been pointed out in
> this thread (the chance that two nodes have different in-core metadata
> about the VG). HP's LVM supports a read-only vgchange that allows only
> read-only access to the VG and its LV's, but I've never used it.
> 
> In these traditional environment, the clustering software exports and
> imports the VG's as necessary, and run some clusterwide resource manager
> that takes care of who currently "owns" the VG. Veritas has a special
> Cluster Volume Manager (CVM) that allows shared access to volume groups,
> but AFAIK it is only used with parallel databases such as Oracle
> Parallel Server.
> 
> For myself, I would not choose a solution like Jesse's. However, the fun
> and power of Unix is that everyone can handcraft his/her own optimal
> environment. As long as you're aware of the consequences what you're
> doing: please be my guest :-)
> 
> I must admit that I have not looked at what LVM 0.9 will bring to the
> table, but some added features in the clustering arena would be very
> welcome.
> 
> ++Jos
> 
> And thus it came to pass that Jesse Sipprell wrote:
> (on Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 02:29:02PM -0500 to be exact)
> 
> > On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 04:09:47PM +0000, Paul Jakma wrote:
> > > On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Jesse Sipprell wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In the mean time, I'll just have to do things the old fashioned
> > > > way.  I'll put a procedure in place that any LVM changes done from
> > > > a particular node require the bouncing of VGs on all other
> > > > attached nodes.  Fortunately, after initial cluster setup,
> > > > manipulation of LVs won't really be performed on a routine basis.
> > > 
> > > and so what do you do with these LV's? The filesystem/application you
> > > run on them has to be aware of the shared-access nature of the
> > > device.. so that rules out all but GFS - which IIRC already has some
> > > LVM like features.
> > 
> > Actually, it's entirely possible to run a non-shared-media-aware filesystem as
> > long as no more than one cluster node has a given file system mounted at a
> > time.
> > 
> > To illustrate:
> > 
> > |-------- VG --------|
> > ||====== LV0 =======||
> > || (ext2)           || --> Mounted on Cluster Node 1
> > ||==================||
> > ||====== LV1 =======||
> > || (ext2)           || --> Mounted on Cluster Node 2
> > ||==================||
> > ||====== LV2 =======||
> > || (ext2)           || --> Mounted on Cluster Node 3
> > ||==================||
> > ||====== LV3 =======||
> > || (ext2)           || --> Mounted on Cluster Node 4
> > ||==================||
> > |                    |
> > |  Free Space in VG  |
> > |                    |
> > |====================|
> > 
> > Because none of the cluster nodes are attempting to share access to the actual
> > blocks where each filesystem is stored, there are no concurrency issues.
> > 
> > One can use the benefits of LVM to unmount LV0's fs on Cluster Node 1, resize
> > the LV, resize the fs and remount.  Now, Cluster Node's 2, 3 and 4 need to
> > have their in-core LVM metadata updated in order to see the new size of LV0.
> > Once this is done via the vgchange bounce, everything is consistant.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jesse Sipprell
> > Technical Operations Director
> > Evolution Communications, Inc.
> > 800.496.4736
> > 
> > * Finger jss evcom net for my PGP Public Key *
> 
> -- 
> Success and happiness can not be pursued; it must ensue as the 
> unintended side-effect of one's personal dedication to a course greater 
> than oneself.


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