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Re: [OS:N:] Re: Open Source in Schools and then some



I figured I would jump in here. I believe that in order for linux to really compete with Microsoft or apple, you have to see it pre-installed. Lindows is a good example of this working. It makes the computers a lot more affordable. We have been fighting for linux here locally. I started the Giving Back Technology Foundation, and we take donated PC's. Erase the hard drives, set them up with the latest stable version of redhat the computer will handle, (usually 6.2 on P133s) and give them back to children without computers. The kids have no problems operating the computers at all. We get very few calls for tech support from these children.

I agree, that it is amazing how many people haven't heard of linux yet, but I think Evan had a point. If it is on the lowest shelf in the store, and not preinstalled, linux will have some trouble taking off.

My two cents

Jon

Evan,

You have some interesting points. However, what you have done is
reiterated what I was trying to say. The fact that most people do not know
why the stick shift is better than the automatic is irrelavant here for 2 easilly
defined reasons. 1, this model is not a stick shift or an automatic, it is whatever
you want it to be. 2. This "car" to use your analogy allows for cleaner burning gas,
smoother roads, leather bucket power seats, and of course cruise control, and going
forward into the future it will actually start to just "drive" you where you want to go
by asking.


So when I said "I am still amazed that everyone in the world has not seen
and heard of Linux." I meant " Given the benefits that so outweigh the challenges of
the user or sys admin to configure the system, ie. the freedom, the collaboration,
the obvious technological benefits, and sociological change that is quite evidently
occuring from this movement, how is it that every major news network and subsidiary
has not jumped up and down spreading the story.


The fact of the matter, as you pointed out below and I intended originally, is that
you, or I have not told them. I consider this my duty. Not because I work at Red Hat,
and not because I want to see a world of Linux computers, but very simply because
I _believe_ through facts, logic, reason, and gut feeling that Open Source is the model
for the future. Open Source and Linux provides the model which will allow our information
to react and grow from itself, thus defining an exponential model of knowledge. ie. data
is shared today, which is then available today, which I can use to increase my understanding
of the current data and provide new data, which is shared _today_ and you can follow
the loop from there. All in all it is very similar to the I scream you scream we all scream for
I scream, with the exception that everyone keeps getting _more_ Icecream!!!


So, evan, I believe you understand this, however there are a number of folks
on this list that want to know more about Open Source and why it is right
for their application. We know why Linux is not on everyones desktop yet, and
the primary reason is a need for someone to tell them about it. There is one sure
way to do this. Go tell someone.


--J
Disperser of the truth about where Icecream comes from.


Evan Leibovitch wrote:


On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 jmcdermo redhat com wrote:

 > I am still amazed that everyone in the world has not seen and heard of
 > Linux.

Don't be.

 It's easy for folks knee-deep in the tech world to forget the fact that a
 great many people dislike the use of computers, only use them when
 absolutely necessary, and/or think of them as screwdrivers or hammers that
 do not require knowing the guts.

 It's like telling a car buff that you can't imagine why any sane
 individual would prefer a manual transmission over an automatic. Or a
 musician that all guitars sound alike. People close to their craft are
 often amazed at the lack of knowledge of their passion by the masses. It's
> rarely a deliberate ignorance but often comes across that way nonetheless.

I meet my share of people who couldn't give a darn whether it's Windows or Linux or OS/2 or AmigaDOS or CP/M under the hood. They want to turn the thing on, check for mail, do a few favorite thing or two, and then turn it off. The computer they bought comes with Windows, and they know a neighbour or relative that can talk them through the most onerous moments of computer ownership, and that's the extent of their care about the tech.

 To them, using a computer is simply a (difficult) means to getting
 something done, like talking to a friend or printing a letter. More often
 to them the technology is seen as an impediment rather than a facilitator,
 and choice of operating systems (let alone the freedom of the software) is
 seen as an imposition rather than an opportunity.

 > I keep waiting for a discovery special about Linux, as it truly is the
 > first time so many people have come togeather and said "enough" in
 > this form. Linux is people gathering and saying very clearly they can
 > do a better job.

 May be, but don't underestimate the numbers of people who would answer
 that assertion by "so what?", that what they have is good enough, and what
 you offer won't solve *their* problems. And, more importantly, don't be
 discouraged when you encounter them. They're not being hostile towards
 open source, but the mindshare war between it and proprietary software is,
 for many people outside IT, merely a curiosity at best.

Our real task is to make open source the mainstream technology used by IT;
the rest will naturally come around after that, even if they don't know it :-).


- Evan

 PS: I highly recommend the book "The Inmates are Running the Asylum" by
 Alan Cooper, to any technology folk interested in understanding those who
 are scared of or ambivalent about computer technology. I disagree with
 many of its assertions, but this book is quite the eye-opener for people
 wanting to know the POV of the technophobe. For anyone curious about this,
 chapter one is online at http://www.cooper.com/books/cb_tiarta_chapter.htm

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