Re: [OS:N:] Open source software similar to PartitionMagic needed

[Jeremy Hogan <jhogan redhat com>]

On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 10:05, Jonathan Moore wrote:
> Anyone else have an opinion on this? I am not convinced. The manufacturer 
> purchases an OEM license of Windows X from MS which is then passed on to the 
> consumer when they purchase the computer. The CD that comes with the computer 
> is not what you are buying it is the little certificate that came in the 
> packaging, or more commonly now is attached to the computer. As long as you use 
> the same version number of Windows, I believe this is legal. 


You would think so, but they arrange special terms with OEM's re: that
CD. The intent is that you will never run anything on that PC but
Windows, and further that it should be the default state they ship it
in. 

They include a lesser product for a lesser price to the vendor, or
allowed the vendor to create their own version. You didn't "buy" the
full M$ version, and therefore aren't entitled to it. In fact many of
these can't even be upgraded, using an M$ upgrade product (the install
stops and tells you you need to purchase a full version.  OEM EULA
itself differs from Upgrade EULA which differs from full boxed product
EULA. You buy pre-installed, you buy the rights to that install, and
that recovery CD. Some (like Dell) ship a fuller version of Windows on
CD, but it's EULA is still different than the retail product.

Remember, M$ puts value on the copy, not the bits. The only way you are
allowed to install multiple machines from single copy is under site
license EULA's. Technically, believe it or not, if you buy two boxes of
Windows for two machines, you are *supposed* to install one machine from
each copy, not that they'd likely enforce it if you had the license and
media in your possession.

Can they stop you from borrowing this friend's copy? No, (AFAIK) they
don't differentiate physical media from one another, and couldn't track
it, but it would be in violation of the EULA, etc...I doubt they'd
enforce it unless you were "caught" during an audit. 

I know. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. You should be buying an
entitlement to use Windows, but you aren't. 

--jeremy

> -- 
> Jonathan Moore
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> 
> Quoting Jeremy Hogan <jhogan redhat com>:
> 
> > Actually, this is not legal. The only OS you are allowed to use on that
> > machine is the restore CD, unless you *buy* another copy. Even just to
> > use disk utilities, that person would have to un-install their copy.
> > 
> > You have per copy use rights, not OS use rights. 
> > 
> > --jeremy
> > 
> > On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 09:02, Jonathan Moore wrote:
> > > You are legal to borrow a full install CD from someone else. What you get
> > from 
> > > MS is a license for use. Just borrow a CD from someone that has the full 
> > > version and set things up how you want. 
> > > -- 
> > > Jonathan Moore
> > > Directory of Technology
> > > Winfield Public Schools
> > > Office 620.221.5100
> > > Fax 620.221.0508
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Quoting Sivakumaran Raman <allo976 yahoo com>:
> > > 
> > > > I am presently using Red Hat 7.3 as a dual-booting
> > > > system with Windows XP on an emachines T1400 computer.
> > > > The computer came only with restore CDs (not
> > > > installation CDs) for Windows XP and to create a new
> > > > partition I had to buy PartitionMagic 7.0. This is
> > > > because tools like fips do not work with the NTFS
> > > > partitions that Windows XP gives by default. Since I
> > > > had only the restore CDs (and not the installation
> > > > CDs), I could not reinstall Windows XP using a FAT32
> > > > file system. 
> > > > 
> > > > I feel that an open source software package like
> > > > PartitionMagic is needed that is able to work with
> > > > NTFS partitions in order to simplify the dual-booting
> > > > process for users (at no extra cost). Maybe Red Hat
> > > > can develop something like that. 
> > > > 
> > > > I am sorry if this is not the exact forum for posting
> > > > this message---but I am a member of other mailing
> > > > lists too and I still had no idea where to make this
> > > > request. 
> > > > 
> > > > Siv Raman
> > > > 
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