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Today's Topics:

   1. OLPC Re: [OS:N:] Is the Open Source Now list alive? (Paul Swider)
   2. Just how mainstream is it? Re: [OS:N:] Is the Open Source Now
      list	alive? (Peter D. St. Onge)
   3. Re: Just how mainstream is it? Re: [OS:N:] Is the Open Source
      Now	list	alive? (Orlando Echevarria)
   4. Re: Just how mainstream is it? Re: [OS:N:] Is the Open Source
      Now list	alive? (Alfred Hovdestad)
   5. Re: Is the Open Source Now list alive? (Michael Williams)
   6. Re: Just how mainstream is it? Re: [OS:N:] Is the Open Source
      Now	list	alive? (Michael Williams)
   7. Re: Just how mainstream is it? Re: [OS:N:] Is the Open Source
      Now	list	alive? (Mark Jensen)
   8. Re: Just how mainstream is it? Re: [OS:N:] Is the Open Source
      Now	list alive? (M. Fioretti)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:00:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Paul Swider <swider earthlink net>
Subject: OLPC Re: [OS:N:] Is the Open Source Now list alive?
To: Open source advocacy in education and government
	<open-source-now-list redhat com>
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	<10338663 1199725253359 JavaMail root elwamui-huard atl sa earthlink net>
	
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I've been on the list for several years and am glad it's still hear because maybe whoever is left can help me with a new problem. I'm now in journalism and working on a story about the OLPC and its effects. I'm curious, from the standpoint of both hardware and software, what people see has or think will happen to the industry as a result of this device. Will we see more flash-driven machines (I think we are)? Will we see more sw development for this machine/OS/GUI? Will the more commercial enterprises now recognize, as Intel and Microsoft appear to be doing, that there is a market even in developing countries for the right sized/priced computing product? Are there other downstream effects coming?

If you want to respond to me off-list, you can send to this email or to pswider sptimes com, although I can see that this thread might be appropriate for the list.

Thanks,
Paul Swider


-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Johnson <jbj jbj org>
>Sent: Jan 7, 2008 11:53 AM
>To: Open source advocacy in education and government <open-source-now-list redhat com>
>Subject: Re: [OS:N:] Is the Open Source Now list alive?
>
>Michael! Glad to hear from you!
>
>73 de Jeff
>
>On Jan 7, 2008, at 8:15 AM, mwilliams haywood k12 nc us wrote:
>
>> Looks like there are a few people still hanging around.
>>
>> Since linux has become more mainstream, I guess people just take it  
>> for
>> granted anymore.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> Michael Williams
>> Director of Technology
>> Haywood County Schools
>> (828) 627-8314
>> http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us
>>
>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> just checking if there are any subscribers and if they are interested
>>> to share experiences about teaching and using open source software in
>>> Universities or schools of any type and level.
>>>
>>> Happy 2008,
>>> 		Marco
>>> --
>>> Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend  
>>> on how
>>> software is used *around* you:            http://digifreedom.net/ 
>>> node/84
>>>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:36:13 -0500
From: "Peter D. St. Onge" <pete seul org>
Subject: Just how mainstream is it? Re: [OS:N:] Is the Open Source Now
	list	alive?
To: open-source-now-list redhat com
Message-ID: <4782630D 9020905 seul org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:15:08 -0500 (EST), Michael Williams 
(mwilliams haywood k12 nc us) wrote:
 > Since linux has become more mainstream, I guess people just take it
 > for granted anymore.

It's "mainstream" in the sense that it is 'out there' but I question 
just how popular it is given the ongoing marketing. How about a quick 
show of hands for folks in educational institutions - how prevalent is 
Linux (and which distro) in your neck of the woods?

Moreover, are the local tech folks exploiting OSS ways in facilitating 
installation of systems, management of networks and assets?

Best,

-- pete



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:39:16 -0500
From: Orlando Echevarria <orlando engr uconn edu>
Subject: Re: Just how mainstream is it? Re: [OS:N:] Is the Open Source
	Now	list	alive?
To: Open source advocacy in education and government
	<open-source-now-list redhat com>
Message-ID: <478263C4 50803 engr uconn edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Its mainstream where I am in the sense that it is our webserver, db 
server, faculty workstations for computing, etc. But again, this is my 
observation, and so far, no hitches or hiccups. We like it.

O

Peter D. St. Onge wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:15:08 -0500 (EST), Michael Williams 
> (mwilliams haywood k12 nc us) wrote:
> > Since linux has become more mainstream, I guess people just take it
> > for granted anymore.
>
> It's "mainstream" in the sense that it is 'out there' but I question 
> just how popular it is given the ongoing marketing. How about a quick 
> show of hands for folks in educational institutions - how prevalent is 
> Linux (and which distro) in your neck of the woods?
>
> Moreover, are the local tech folks exploiting OSS ways in facilitating 
> installation of systems, management of networks and assets?
>
> Best,
>
> -- pete
>
> _______________________________________________
> Subscription and Archive: 
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/
> -
> For K12OS technical help join K12OSN:
> <https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn>

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-- John B. Gordon



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 11:51:32 -0600
From: Alfred Hovdestad <alfred hovdestad usask ca>
Subject: Re: Just how mainstream is it? Re: [OS:N:] Is the Open Source
	Now list	alive?
To: Open source advocacy in education and government
	<open-source-now-list redhat com>
Message-ID: <478266A4 4070407 usask ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Our biggest success has been using Red Hat for our Oracle database 
servers.  The performance and price (h/w and s/w) are great selling points.

We will be switching our web server (Apache) to Red Hat this year.  We 
are also running our DNS servers (cisco) and our spam filter (Sophos 
Pure Message) on Red Hat.

Our student/faculty/staff web server is running Red Hat and MySQL.

Other servers include:

network monitoring (nagios) 	Red Hat
3D graphical workstations	Red Hat
webmail (imp)			Red Hat


--
Alfred Hovdestad (RHCE)
University of saskatchewan





Peter D. St. Onge wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:15:08 -0500 (EST), Michael Williams 
> (mwilliams haywood k12 nc us) wrote:
>  > Since linux has become more mainstream, I guess people just take it
>  > for granted anymore.
> 
> It's "mainstream" in the sense that it is 'out there' but I question 
> just how popular it is given the ongoing marketing. How about a quick 
> show of hands for folks in educational institutions - how prevalent is 
> Linux (and which distro) in your neck of the woods?
> 
> Moreover, are the local tech folks exploiting OSS ways in facilitating 
> installation of systems, management of networks and assets?
> 
> Best,
> 
> -- pete
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Subscription and Archive: 
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/
> -
> For K12OS technical help join K12OSN:
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:23:23 -0500
From: Michael Williams <mwilliams haywood k12 nc us>
Subject: Re: [OS:N:] Is the Open Source Now list alive?
To: Open source advocacy in education and government
	<open-source-now-list redhat com>
Message-ID: <47827C2B 9050008 haywood k12 nc us>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Jeff Johnson wrote:
> Michael! Glad to hear from you!
>
> 73 de Jeff
>
> On Jan 7, 2008, at 8:15 AM, mwilliams haywood k12 nc us wrote:
>
>> Looks like there are a few people still hanging around.
>>
>> Since linux has become more mainstream, I guess people just take it for
>> granted anymore.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> Michael Williams
>> Director of Technology
>> Haywood County Schools
>> (828) 627-8314
>> http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us
>>
>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> just checking if there are any subscribers and if they are interested
>>> to share experiences about teaching and using open source software in
>>> Universities or schools of any type and level.
>>>
>>> Happy 2008,
>>>         Marco
>>> -- 
>>> Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on 
>>> how
>>> software is used *around* you:            
>>> http://digifreedom.net/node/84
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Subscription and Archive:
>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/
>>> -
>>> For K12OS technical help join K12OSN:
>>> <https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> -
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>> <https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn>
>>
>
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You too, Jeff. Long time no see.

Michael



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:47:15 -0500
From: Michael Williams <mwilliams haywood k12 nc us>
Subject: Re: Just how mainstream is it? Re: [OS:N:] Is the Open Source
	Now	list	alive?
To: Open source advocacy in education and government
	<open-source-now-list redhat com>
Message-ID: <478281C3 2070701 haywood k12 nc us>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

We run both RHEL and OpenSuse.  (All the critical work is on the RHEL.)

I still have one lab of 30 linux thin clients (k12lsp) that has run for 
5 years now and all I've done is replace two power supplies in clients 
and one hard drive in the server. There are three other thin client labs 
in the works and we are planning on some thick client experiments later 
this year.

It would be hard to find a teacher or staff member in our district that 
doesn't know about open source software resources, StarOffice, GIMP are 
loaded on every computer that comes into the district.

We are evaluating the eeePC laptop and another one whose name escapes me 
right now.

We use plone, moodle, wordpress for web and teacher sites.

Network monitoring, etc.....

All the "low hanging fruit" !

It is a  nightmare  trying to introduce change into the current public 
educational institutions, even from inside, so I've decided to take an 
early retirement next year and try a different approach, don't know 
exactly what yet but it's time for a change. ;-)

Michael


Peter D. St. Onge wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:15:08 -0500 (EST), Michael Williams 
> (mwilliams haywood k12 nc us) wrote:
> > Since linux has become more mainstream, I guess people just take it
> > for granted anymore.
>
> It's "mainstream" in the sense that it is 'out there' but I question 
> just how popular it is given the ongoing marketing. How about a quick 
> show of hands for folks in educational institutions - how prevalent is 
> Linux (and which distro) in your neck of the woods?
>
> Moreover, are the local tech folks exploiting OSS ways in facilitating 
> installation of systems, management of networks and assets?
>
> Best,
>
> -- pete
>
> _______________________________________________
> Subscription and Archive: 
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/
> -
> For K12OS technical help join K12OSN:
> <https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn>



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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:56:28 -0600
From: Mark Jensen <markjensen charter net>
Subject: Re: Just how mainstream is it? Re: [OS:N:] Is the Open Source
	Now	list	alive?
To: Open source advocacy in education and government
	<open-source-now-list redhat com>
Message-ID: <4782AE1C 2010501 charter net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

In schools here in Tennessee, Microsoft systems are the norm.  Certainly 
on the clients, and I believe in the server arena, too.  :-/


Peter D. St. Onge wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:15:08 -0500 (EST), Michael Williams 
> (mwilliams haywood k12 nc us) wrote:
>  > Since linux has become more mainstream, I guess people just take it
>  > for granted anymore.
> 
> It's "mainstream" in the sense that it is 'out there' but I question 
> just how popular it is given the ongoing marketing. How about a quick 
> show of hands for folks in educational institutions - how prevalent is 
> Linux (and which distro) in your neck of the woods?
> 
> Moreover, are the local tech folks exploiting OSS ways in facilitating 
> installation of systems, management of networks and assets?
> 
> Best,
> 
> -- pete
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Subscription and Archive: 
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/
> -
> For K12OS technical help join K12OSN:
> <https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn>
> 



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:53:42 +0100
From: "M. Fioretti" <mfioretti nexaima net>
Subject: Re: Just how mainstream is it? Re: [OS:N:] Is the Open Source
	Now	list alive?
To: open-source-now-list redhat com
Message-ID: <20080108055342 GE2990 mclink it>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 12:36:13 PM -0500, Peter D. St. Onge
(pete seul org) wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:15:08 -0500 (EST), Michael Williams 
> (mwilliams haywood k12 nc us) wrote:
> > Since linux has become more mainstream, I guess people just take it
> > for granted anymore.
>
> It's "mainstream" in the sense that it is 'out there' but I question just 
> how popular it is given the ongoing marketing.

I was going to write the same thing. It isn't mainstream in the sense
of "adopted or supported widely enough to guarantee its survival", not
at all the way I see it. Generally speaking, I am *very* concerned
these days about the lack of effectiveness in communication from the
FOSS community towards everybody else. Later I will post here some
articles and proposals I wrote in the past on this very theme, as I
believe they are very relevant to the charter of this list.

Gotta go now, for the moment I'll just add "Hello everybody, I'm happy
there are other people here and I hope we can work together!".

      	  Marco
-- 
Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how
software is used *around* you:            http://digifreedom.net/node/84



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