Re: best cheap 1024x768x8bit card

[Alexander Woodby <awoodby tir com>]

Relatively cheap Sparc5?  What do you consider cheap?

Sorry but nope, I'm sticking with "cheap" as this isn't for a production
server, like most current Linux users I'm talking X for
entertainment/home use.

If you want a production server who cares how X looks, leave it at the
terminal window and get a lil 13" monitor.  At least I do for servers.

For those of us that see no need to buy a $parc for home use, keep the
vidcard settings coming in, but mail to me directly if you would to not
waste list bandwidth, I'll post the URL to the list when I get it up.

Thanks again!

--alex



Jamie D. wrote:
> 
> amen to that!!!!
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Henry Katz [mailto:hkatz ms com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 10:55 AM
> > To: redhat-install-list redhat com
> > Subject: Re: best cheap 1024x768x8bit card
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Alexander Woodby wrote:
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > If I'm not mistaken, one thing no one has said is how much of their
> > time and how much lost revenue this means to them was lost while fiddling
> > around with these fabulously cheap PC products. I hate to use jargon
> > but total cost of ownership is very real. If instead one had bought
> > a relatively cheap sparc 5 with a 24bit southland media card for a couple
> > hundred more, one would have had a rock solid sparclinux install from the
> > very beginning with nary a moment wasted for this silly proprietary
> > bickering over GX cards.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Henry
> >
> > > Hmm...  I tried to make 3 different diamond stealth's work at 24 or
> > > 32bit, and 800x600 or 1024x768 to no avail...
> > >
> > > I'll list the pro2000 though, didn't try that.
> > >
> > > --alex
> > >
> > > Jamie D. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Diamond Stealth is actually a great card, very easy to configure.
> > > > I used a Stealth Pro2000 Multimedia for my first 6 months at 24 bpp
> > > >
> > > > But have since moved on to a Number9
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Tim Pickering [mailto:tim astro rug nl]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 8:12 AM
> > > > > To: redhat-install-list redhat com
> > > > > Subject: Re: best cheap 1024x768x8bit card
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Frankly, and no offense, but the hardware compatibility
> > list, especially
> > > > > > when it comes to vidcards, is a load of BS.  I've now
> > gone through 4
> > > > > > different 4 meg video cards trying to get 1024x768 in
> > 24bit, I know just
> > > > > > a whole world more than I ever wanted to know about XF86Config
> > > > > > modelines, and after 6 months of fighting with this (off and on
> > > > > > honestly, X isn't that important to me) I think it MAY
> > not mosaic on me
> > > > > > now as of 2 days ago with my "Creative Labs VideoBlaster
> > 3D" (what can I
> > > > > > say, 4 megs for $70)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In short, a nice lil addendum as to what video cards have
> > been tried at
> > > > > > what resolutions and worked without 6 months of hacking
> > would be great
> > > > > > :)
> > > > >
> > > > > video card support is such a moving target that it's really tough to
> > > > > keep up-to-date.  even cards that are supposed to work well, often
> > > > > don't.  my horror story was when i got my 4 MB millenium I card.  i
> > > > > waited until XFree supported it well and tested it out on some 2 MB
> > > > > versions at work.  worked wonderful at 8, 16, and 24 bpp and no
> > > > > problems.  got my 4 MB card and it worked great at 8, 16,
> > and 32 bpp,
> > > > > but not 24.  after doing some research, i found out it was a buggy
> > > > > BIOS.  so i sent it back, got another one, same problem.
> > sent _that_
> > > > > one back, got a new one, and it works fine at all resolutions and
> > > > > color depths.  i saw this kind of stuff earlier with an ET4000/W32
> > > > > card that was on every list as being a compatible card.  only the
> > > > > computer would lock hard as soon as i would try to run X when using
> > > > > the W32 server.  it now works like a charm with the SVGA
> > server and is
> > > > > pretty snappy, but it was another example where a particular make of
> > > > > an otherwise supported card may not work because of some subtle
> > > > > difference or flaw.
> > > > >
> > > > > the other problem with video hardware is that as soon as something
> > > > > becomes supported well under X, it's usually replaced by something
> > > > > newer that isn't.  the millenium II is an example.  as of the latest
> > > > > version of XFree, both the AGP and PCI versions work wonderfully and
> > > > > get picked up and set up nicely by the redhat 5.1 install.
> > of course,
> > > > > it was replaced by the G200 series a few months ago and is now
> > > > > impossible to find.  there's at least some support for the G200 now,
> > > > > but you'll have to get your hands dirty to get it working.
> > > > >
> > > > > if you can find older millenium I or II or mystique cards at some
> > > > > auction for cheap, those are really the way to go.  X and
> > redhat know
> > > > > about them and they're fast.  i have no experience with
> > trident cards
> > > > > and avoid them at all costs.  cheap S3 virge cards might
> > work ok, but
> > > > > i have no personal experience.  non-virge, older S3 cards work great
> > > > > if you just want to simple 2 MB card (if you can find them).  ET6000
> > > > > cards are also pretty good bets.  i think the ET6100 is
> > also supported
> > > > > now, but don't know for sure if the redhat 5.1 install
> > knows about it.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone want to post what vidcard they're using?  I'll pop
> > it up on a
> > > > > > webpage for all to see.
> > > > >
> > > > > my computers have a 2 MB #9 S3 trio64 card, a 2 MB cardex
> > ET4000/W32p
> > > > > card, and a 4 MB matrox millenium I.  they all work fine now, but
> > > > > you'd be hard-pressed to find them anymore anywhere.
> > > > >
> > > > > > One other caveat...  Monitors, aside from $700 15"
> > monitors like the
> > > > > > multisync, I haven't even seen the other monitors on the
> > list and I've
> > > > > > looked...  And even my Princeton doesn't come with hsync
> > and vsync data
> > > > > > like X requires.
> > > > >
> > > > > if it doesn't come with the data for maximum horizontal and vertical
> > > > > refresh rates, you can usually just go by the advertised maximum res
> > > > > and refresh (eg 1280x1024 60Hz).  maybe pick a step down
> > from that to
> > > > > be safe.
> > > > >
> > > > > tim
> > > > >
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