Re: Redhat-list digest, Vol 1 #2303 - 11 msgs

["Alan Mandel" <mandel adelphia net>]

This is the third request.  Please take me off your email list.  Thank you.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: limit mailbox size (scott.list)
   2. Mailling list with delivery schedule (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o?= Borsoi
Soares)
   3. RE: FTP Server & Telnet Server Configuration (Craig Armstrong)
   4. Re: limit mailbox size (David Talkington)
   5. Re: limit mailbox size (David Talkington)
   6. Re: Can't send the mail to outside only ? (Mikkel L. Ellertson)
   7. Re: Users/Owners (Jerry Winegarden)
   8. Re: Users/Owners (David Talkington)
   9. quota setup doesn't succeed (IS)
  10. Re: Formatting and email (David Talkington)
  11. Re: [RH List] Re: Virtual Mailboxes (Charles Galpin)

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Message: 1
From: "scott.list" <scott list mlec net>
To: <redhat-list redhat com>
Subject: Re: limit mailbox size
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:02:59 -0500
Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com

David, et.al:

What about this situation:

A long time ago I ran tight on /var and had a huge surplus of space on
/home.  So, I  linked /var/spool/mail to /home/mail:

ls -l /var/spool
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mail           10 Nov 25  1999 mail -> /home/mail

Now my users' mail goes to /home/mail/johndoe but as far as sendmail is
concerned, it's going to /var/spool./mail/johndoe.  This has worked fine.

If I turn on quotas for the /home filesystem, and make them say, 20Mb, what
happens when a user with a 18Mb mail file:

-rw-rw----   1 johndoe  mail        52925 Jul 12 13:35 /home/mail/johndoe

gets an incoming 3Mb mail message that put's them over the 20Mb max size
limit on /home?  What does sendmail do/say?

And finally, in this scenario, and to clarify your previous answer for me,
is the quota additivie with what might be in another directory/file owned by
the user like: /home/johndoe/public_html?

Thanks very much for the help (lesson).

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Talkington" <dtalk prairienet org>
To: <redhat-list redhat com>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: limit mailbox size


> >/var is a seperate filesystem indeed. How does quota work in this case.
If
> >user 'foe' have 20 Mb does it means 20 Mb spread over the system or only
in
> >it's own directory?
>
> Unix quotas are based on file ownership per filesystem.  Setting a
> per-user quota on /var (assuming there are no other normal
> user-owned files on /var) will therefore have the desired effect.
>
> - -d





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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:16:28 -0300
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o?= Borsoi Soares <jo_soares yahoo com>
Organization: IntraSystems
To: redhat-list redhat com
Subject: Mailling list with delivery schedule
Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com

Hello, list. Does any can tell me a good mailling list server which can
handle delivery shedule?

Thanks,
Joao.




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Message: 3
From: "Craig Armstrong" <wcarmstrong QUINTRON com>
To: <redhat-list redhat com>
Cc: <nitebirdz qwest net>
Subject: RE: FTP Server & Telnet Server Configuration
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:21:47 -0700
Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com

Jesus,

Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.  I had an IP chain
problem.

- Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: redhat-list-admin redhat com
[mailto:redhat-list-admin redhat com]On Behalf Of Jesus Ortega (a.k.a.
Nitebirdz)
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:45 AM
To: redhat-list redhat com
Subject: Re: FTP Server & Telnet Server Configuration


On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Craig Armstrong wrote:

> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:13:51 -0700
> From: Craig Armstrong <wcarmstrong QUINTRON com>
> Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com
> To: redhat-list redhat com
> Subject: FTP Server & Telnet Server Configuration
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm new to Linux admin.  I have just installed RHL 7.1 and now I am trying
> to set up an FTP Server and a Telnet Server.  At first, I was unable to do
> either.  I modified /etc/xinetd.d/wu-ftpd and /etc/xinetd.d/telnet by
taking
> out the "disable=yes" entry.  Now I am able to FTP and telnet, but only
> locally.  That is, I can run an FTP client on the host and the server
(also
> running on the host) will let me log in.  Likewise, I can telnet but only
> locally.
>
> When I try to FTP from a remote machine to the host, I get the following
> error:
>
> > ftp: connect :Connection reset by peer
> ftp>
>
> When I try to telnet from a remote machine to the host, I get the
following
> error:
>
> Connecting To 192.168.0.198...Could not open a connection to host: Connect
> failed
>
> Also, the host machine does not have any entries in /var/log/messages for
> the FTP and telnet attempts.
>
> Thanks in advance for the help,
>
> - Craig
>


First of all, just in case nobody tols you yet, let me advise you against
using telnet for this type of connections.  If possible at all, install
OpenSSH and use it for both shell ('ssh' command) and file transfers
('scp' command).  Let me know if you need any pointers on where to go
download these.

Second, what type of firewall did you select during the installation?
There is good chance that those settings are precluding any type of
connection to your system through ports 23 and 21.

Finally, I noticed you're using a private IP (192.168.0.198).  I assume
you're trying to connect _from_ within the same private network.  If
you are not, keep in mind that IPs in the range of 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x
are not public IPs and they will not work if you try to access them from
a public network.




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:21:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Talkington <dtalk prairienet org>
To: <redhat-list redhat com>
Subject: Re: limit mailbox size
Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com

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scott.list wrote:

>A long time ago I ran tight on /var and had a huge surplus of space on
>/home.  So, I  linked /var/spool/mail to /home/mail:
>
>ls -l /var/spool
>lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mail           10 Nov 25  1999 mail -> /home/mail

That action will mean that mailbox quotas are now included in the
total /home quota, as you found ...

>
>Now my users' mail goes to /home/mail/johndoe but as far as sendmail is
>concerned, it's going to /var/spool./mail/johndoe.  This has worked fine.
>
>If I turn on quotas for the /home filesystem, and make them say, 20Mb, what
>happens when a user with a 18Mb mail file:
>
>-rw-rw----   1 johndoe  mail        52925 Jul 12 13:35 /home/mail/johndoe
>
>gets an incoming 3Mb mail message that put's them over the 20Mb max size
>limit on /home?  What does sendmail do/say?

The answer is "it depends".  First, understand that it's the delivery
agent that will encounter the problem, not sendmail, but the action
taken (bounce or defer) will be up to sendmail. Back when we used
sendmail with procmail as the delivery agent, if a box was over quota,
procmail returned that information to sendmail, and sendmail bounced
the message to the sender.  We now use qmail, which, by default,
doesn't do that; instead, the log will show a deferral, and the
message is queued for a later retry, just as it would be in the case
of an unreachable remote MX.  qmail with the ldap patch, however, does
it the old way -- just bounces the message.

So I guess the answer is "try it and see".  Perhaps this behavior is
configurable in sendmail; I'm the wrong guy to ask about that.

>And finally, in this scenario, and to clarify your previous answer for me,
>is the quota additivie with what might be in another directory/file owned
by
>the user like: /home/johndoe/public_html?

I'm not sure I understand this question.  If public_html is on the
same filesystem as /home, then any files in that directory which
are owned by that user are counted against the total allowed quota for
/home for that user.

This quota issue, by the way, is another case for buying a good Unix
reference.  =)

Hope this helps.
- -d

- --
David Talkington
http://www.spotnet.org

PGP key: http://www.prairienet.org/~dtalk/dt000823.asc

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:26:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Talkington <dtalk prairienet org>
To: <redhat-list redhat com>
Subject: Re: limit mailbox size
Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com

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By the way, another thing that should be mentioned, in the context of
mail and quotas.  Linux supports group quotas.  (Solaris does not.
Go ahead, ask me about the time when we discovered that.  And don your
asbestos underwear.)  That means that Linux will let you, if you
choose, limit the total size of all mailboxes in /var/spool/mail,
because they're owned by group 'mail'.

Just a thought.

- --
David Talkington
http://www.spotnet.org

PGP key: http://www.prairienet.org/~dtalk/dt000823.asc


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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:26:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel Infinity-ltd com>
To: <redhat-list redhat com>
Subject: Re: Can't send the mail to outside only ?
Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com

On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Kevin Chan wrote:

> Dear Chuck and Mikkel,
>
> I heard someone said you two are the talented on the mail server, so
please
> try to help me to solve the following problem:
>
> The problem I have now is can't send any mail out from my postfix mail
> server but no problem for receiving mail at all.  My postfix mail server
is
> using IP address to receive and send mail.  After I using
> kevinchan [xxx xxx xxx xxx] (new postfix mail server) send mail to
> kevinchan trasy com (existing mail server from ISP).  The following error
> message was created from Outlook Express:
>
> Can't send mailï¼Obecause one of the user reject by serverã?,Rejected the
> email address is 'kevinchan trasy com"ã?, Main 'Postfix', Account:
'Postfix -
> Kevin', Server: '151.102.181.23', Protocol: SMTP, Server Reply: '550
> <kevinchan trasy com>: User unknown', Port: 25, Safe(SSL): No, Server
Error:
> 550, Error code: 0x800CCC79
>
> If you two know what is the problem on my mail server, please teach me to
> solve the problem...thanks!
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Kevin
>
After some more thought, and an infusion of coffee, the problem could
also be that the machine with Outlook Express is not listed as being
able to relay messages through your mail server.  The relevent section
of the main.cf file is:

# The relay_domains parameter restricts what clients this mail system
# will relay mail from, or what destinations this system will relay
# mail to.  See the smtpd_recipient_restrictions restriction in the
# file sample-smtpd.cf.
#
# By default, Postfix relays mail
# - from trusted clients whose IP address matches $mynetworks,
# - from trusted clients matching $relay_domains or subdomains thereof,
# - from untrusted clients to destinations that match $relay_domains
#   or subdomains thereof, except addresses with sender-specified routing.
# The default relay_domains value is $mydestination.
#
# In addition to the above, the Postfix SMTP server by default accepts mail
# that Postfix is final destination for:
# - destinations that match $inet_interfaces,
# - destinations that match $mydestination
# - destinations that match $virtual_maps.
# These destinations do not need to be listed in $relay_domains.
#
# Specify a list of hosts or domains, /file/name patterns or type:name
# lookup tables, separated by commas and/or whitespace.  Continue
# long lines by starting the next line with whitespace. A file name
# is replaced by its contents; a type:name table is matched when a
# (parent) domain appears as lookup key.
#
# NOTE: Postfix will not automatically forward mail for domains that
# list this system as their primary or backup MX host. See the
# permit_mx_backup restriction in the file sample-smtpd.cf.
#
#relay_domains = $mydestination

I would check that mynetworks is set to match your local network.
If your mail host is 151.102.181.23, and 151.102.181.0 is your internel
network, you will want:
mynetworks = 151.102.181.0/24, 127.0.0.0/8

This cover both the localhost, and 151.102.181.0, netmask 255.255.255.0
- if your network has a different netmask, you will need to change the
/24 to match your network.  If you have more then one "local" subnet,
you can list more then one subnet - just add them to the mynetworks
line.

Mikkel
 --

    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
 for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:48:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jerry Winegarden <jbw duke edu>
To: <redhat-list redhat com>
Subject: Re: Users/Owners
Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com

On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, David Talkington wrote:

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>
>
> >Chris Rondthaler wrote:
> >>
> >> You should send these questions to a different list.
>
> Robert Canary wrote:
>
> >Why?  I think its a good question.
>
> Please reply below the comment to which  you're referring.
>
> I think a more charitable interpretation of what Mr. Rondthaler was
> trying to say is that the original post reveals a need for some basic
> Unix skills that are beyond the scope of this list.  I disagree with
> his approach, however; another mailing list isn't what this poster
> needs.  If you don't yet know how to manipulate users and groups, you
> should sniff out a good book on Unix basics (not about Linux, not
> about Red Hat, but about Unix), and read up on how this family of
> operating systems works.  Read a lot.  Read more.  Be hungry.  Do your
> own experimenting, and learn.  Read some more.  Lather, rinse, repeat.
> That's how I started, and I'm sure I'm not alone.  You have to do your
> homework first.

I totally disagree!

Heh, Bozo, just answer his question.  If he asks too many little
questions in too short a period, then your lecture about getting a book is
quite appropriate and would be most helpful at that point.

It is a GOOD question.  Many EXPERIENCED *nix people may not know the
specific syntax of adduser, depending on what flavor they came from.
However, they might have at least thought to try man first.
Checking man is generally the first thing to try.

man adduser


The option(s) you want are:

-g initialgroup   and
-G group1,group2,...

where you specify the additional groups for this user, using either group
name or the underlying group number.

Enjoy!

>
> When you're to the point where you have questions which are specific
> to running or configuring a Red Hat system and its included software,
> then come back here with details of what you've done, what results you
> expected, and what results you got.
>
> If you'd like advice on specifically what books to read, I'm sure
> you'll get a barrage of suggestions (and I have a few gems of my own,
> which I'd be happy to share), but this isn't an effective place to
> learn basic Unix skills. I do not in any way intend to be disparaging
> of newbies; quite the contrary.  It takes motivation and persistence
> to go down this road, and anyone willing to dive in and educate
> himself or herself has my respect ... but you won't reap the rewards
> of Unix by asking others to educate you.  You must read.  Unix helps
> those who help themselves, and it returns many times the effort it
> takes to learn.
>
> Wow, why am I so verbose suddenly at this unholy hour?  I'll get off
> my podium and shut up now.
>
> - -d
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: redhat-list-admin redhat com
[mailto:redhat-list-admin redhat com]On
> >> Behalf Of marko sarunac
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:11 PM
> >> To: redhat-list redhat com
> >> Subject: Users/Owners
> >>
> >> using command line....i can add a user using a adduser function....but
how
> >> do i assign the groups that user belongs to...also..is there a tool
that
> >> will show a "tree" of users and what group(s) they belong to.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >> Marko Sarunac
> >>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:41:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Talkington <dtalk prairienet org>
To: <redhat-list redhat com>
Subject: Re: Users/Owners
Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com

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Jerry Winegarden wrote:

>Heh, Bozo, just answer his question.  If he asks too many little
>questions in too short a period, then your lecture about getting a book is
>quite appropriate and would be most helpful at that point.
>
>It is a GOOD question.  Many EXPERIENCED *nix people may not know the
>specific syntax of adduser, depending on what flavor they came from.
>However, they might have at least thought to try man first.

And man groupadd, man groups, man usermod, and /etc/group.

- -d.bozo

- --
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http://www.spotnet.org

PGP key: http://www.prairienet.org/~dtalk/dt000823.asc

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Message: 9
From: "IS" <is think nl>
To: <redhat-list redhat com>
Subject: quota setup doesn't succeed
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:44:26 +0200
Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com

I try to setup quota in RH 7.1 but I can't get it work. Last time I did this
was on a 5.1 machine.

Where can I find docs about this subject?? (I searched ofcourse but after a
few docs I still can't get it work.)

Thanks!

Regards,
Ivo




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:49:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Talkington <dtalk prairienet org>
To: <redhat-list redhat com>
Subject: Re: Formatting and email
Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com

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Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

>> When replying to messages in plain text I can have problems with
>> formatting. If I have to due editing corrections sometimes after i
>> finish the text is very assymetrical. What can i do to make it more
>> normal. Sometimes I may have just oneor two words on a line. No
>> matter what it still goes back to that form. Karl
>>
>>
>This is dependent on the email program/editor you are using.  If you are
>using Pico as your editor, (Default in Pine.) hitting Ctrl-J will
>reformat paragraphs.  Other editors use other key combonations...

I particularly like Pine's way of correctly handling CTRL+J within
quoted segments -- maintaining a reply-indent-string character at the
beginning of each line, even after justification, which is a boon when
cleaning up the replies of people who use crappy MUAs that don't break
lines properly.  =)

- -d

- --
David Talkington
http://www.spotnet.org

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Message: 11
From: "Charles Galpin" <cgalpin lighthouse-software com>
To: <redhat-list redhat com>
Subject: Re: [RH List] Re: Virtual Mailboxes
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:56:08 -0400
Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com

----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley M. Kirchner <ashley pcraft com>


> Mike Burger wrote:
>
> > man virtusertable for information on the Sendmail Virtual User Table.
>
>     Been there, done that and already have it in place.  That doesn't
answer
> my question though.

I have not used it myself, but I believe cyrus imap supports virtual
mailboxes without system accounts.

Please let us know what IMAP soultuion you find works well.

thanks
charles





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