Re: Redhat-list digest, Vol 1 #2303 - 11 msgs

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:48:27 -0400 "Alan Mandel" <mandel adelphia net>
imparted to us:

This is the first reply (by me). Please read the stuff  immediately
below this so you may embrace the ultimate wisdom, obtain a clue and
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>    1. Re: limit mailbox size (scott.list)
>    2. Mailling list with delivery schedule (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o?=
> Borsoi
> Soares)
>    3. RE: FTP Server & Telnet Server Configuration (Craig Armstrong)
>    4. Re: limit mailbox size (David Talkington)
>    5. Re: limit mailbox size (David Talkington)
>    6. Re: Can't send the mail to outside only ? (Mikkel L. Ellertson)
>    7. Re: Users/Owners (Jerry Winegarden)
>    8. Re: Users/Owners (David Talkington)
>    9. quota setup doesn't succeed (IS)
>   10. Re: Formatting and email (David Talkington)
>   11. Re: [RH List] Re: Virtual Mailboxes (Charles Galpin)
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> Message: 1
> From: "scott.list" <scott list mlec net>
> To: <redhat-list redhat com>
> Subject: Re: limit mailbox size
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:02:59 -0500
> Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com
> 
> David, et.al:
> 
> What about this situation:
> 
> A long time ago I ran tight on /var and had a huge surplus of space on
> /home.  So, I  linked /var/spool/mail to /home/mail:
> 
> ls -l /var/spool
> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mail           10 Nov 25  1999 mail ->
> /home/mail
> 
> Now my users' mail goes to /home/mail/johndoe but as far as sendmail
> is
> concerned, it's going to /var/spool./mail/johndoe.  This has worked
> fine.
> 
> If I turn on quotas for the /home filesystem, and make them say, 20Mb,
> what
> happens when a user with a 18Mb mail file:
> 
> -rw-rw----   1 johndoe  mail        52925 Jul 12 13:35
> /home/mail/johndoe
> 
> gets an incoming 3Mb mail message that put's them over the 20Mb max
> size
> limit on /home?  What does sendmail do/say?
> 
> And finally, in this scenario, and to clarify your previous answer for
> me,
> is the quota additivie with what might be in another directory/file
> owned by
> the user like: /home/johndoe/public_html?
> 
> Thanks very much for the help (lesson).
> 
> Scott
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Talkington" <dtalk prairienet org>
> To: <redhat-list redhat com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:35 AM
> Subject: Re: limit mailbox size
> 
> 
> > >/var is a seperate filesystem indeed. How does quota work in this
> case.
> If
> > >user 'foe' have 20 Mb does it means 20 Mb spread over the system or
> only
> in
> > >it's own directory?
> >
> > Unix quotas are based on file ownership per filesystem.  Setting a
> > per-user quota on /var (assuming there are no other normal
> > user-owned files on /var) will therefore have the desired effect.
> >
> > - -d
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:16:28 -0300
> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o?= Borsoi Soares <jo_soares yahoo com>
> Organization: IntraSystems
> To: redhat-list redhat com
> Subject: Mailling list with delivery schedule
> Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com
> 
> Hello, list. Does any can tell me a good mailling list server which
> can
> handle delivery shedule?
> 
> Thanks,
> Joao.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> From: "Craig Armstrong" <wcarmstrong QUINTRON com>
> To: <redhat-list redhat com>
> Cc: <nitebirdz qwest net>
> Subject: RE: FTP Server & Telnet Server Configuration
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:21:47 -0700
> Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com
> 
> Jesus,
> 
> Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.  I had an IP chain
> problem.
> 
> - Craig
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: redhat-list-admin redhat com
> [mailto:redhat-list-admin redhat com]On Behalf Of Jesus Ortega (a.k.a.
> Nitebirdz)
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:45 AM
> To: redhat-list redhat com
> Subject: Re: FTP Server & Telnet Server Configuration
> 
> 
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Craig Armstrong wrote:
> 
> > Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:13:51 -0700
> > From: Craig Armstrong <wcarmstrong QUINTRON com>
> > Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com
> > To: redhat-list redhat com
> > Subject: FTP Server & Telnet Server Configuration
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm new to Linux admin.  I have just installed RHL 7.1 and now I am
> trying
> > to set up an FTP Server and a Telnet Server.  At first, I was unable
> to do
> > either.  I modified /etc/xinetd.d/wu-ftpd and /etc/xinetd.d/telnet
> by
> taking
> > out the "disable=yes" entry.  Now I am able to FTP and telnet, but
> only
> > locally.  That is, I can run an FTP client on the host and the
> server
> (also
> > running on the host) will let me log in.  Likewise, I can telnet but
> only
> > locally.
> >
> > When I try to FTP from a remote machine to the host, I get the
> following
> > error:
> >
> > > ftp: connect :Connection reset by peer
> > ftp>
> >
> > When I try to telnet from a remote machine to the host, I get the
> following
> > error:
> >
> > Connecting To 192.168.0.198...Could not open a connection to host:
> Connect
> > failed
> >
> > Also, the host machine does not have any entries in
> /var/log/messages for
> > the FTP and telnet attempts.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for the help,
> >
> > - Craig
> >
> 
> 
> First of all, just in case nobody tols you yet, let me advise you
> against
> using telnet for this type of connections.  If possible at all,
> install
> OpenSSH and use it for both shell ('ssh' command) and file transfers
> ('scp' command).  Let me know if you need any pointers on where to go
> download these.
> 
> Second, what type of firewall did you select during the installation?
> There is good chance that those settings are precluding any type of
> connection to your system through ports 23 and 21.
> 
> Finally, I noticed you're using a private IP (192.168.0.198).  I
> assume
> you're trying to connect _from_ within the same private network.  If
> you are not, keep in mind that IPs in the range of 192.168.x.x or
> 10.x.x.x
> are not public IPs and they will not work if you try to access them
> from
> a public network.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:21:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Talkington <dtalk prairienet org>
> To: <redhat-list redhat com>
> Subject: Re: limit mailbox size
> Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com
> 
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> scott.list wrote:
> 
> >A long time ago I ran tight on /var and had a huge surplus of space
> on
> >/home.  So, I  linked /var/spool/mail to /home/mail:
> >
> >ls -l /var/spool
> >lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mail           10 Nov 25  1999 mail ->
> /home/mail
> 
> That action will mean that mailbox quotas are now included in the
> total /home quota, as you found ...
> 
> >
> >Now my users' mail goes to /home/mail/johndoe but as far as sendmail
> is
> >concerned, it's going to /var/spool./mail/johndoe.  This has worked
> fine.
> >
> >If I turn on quotas for the /home filesystem, and make them say,
> 20Mb, what
> >happens when a user with a 18Mb mail file:
> >
> >-rw-rw----   1 johndoe  mail        52925 Jul 12 13:35
> /home/mail/johndoe
> >
> >gets an incoming 3Mb mail message that put's them over the 20Mb max
> size
> >limit on /home?  What does sendmail do/say?
> 
> The answer is "it depends".  First, understand that it's the delivery
> agent that will encounter the problem, not sendmail, but the action
> taken (bounce or defer) will be up to sendmail. Back when we used
> sendmail with procmail as the delivery agent, if a box was over quota,
> procmail returned that information to sendmail, and sendmail bounced
> the message to the sender.  We now use qmail, which, by default,
> doesn't do that; instead, the log will show a deferral, and the
> message is queued for a later retry, just as it would be in the case
> of an unreachable remote MX.  qmail with the ldap patch, however, does
> it the old way -- just bounces the message.
> 
> So I guess the answer is "try it and see".  Perhaps this behavior is
> configurable in sendmail; I'm the wrong guy to ask about that.
> 
> >And finally, in this scenario, and to clarify your previous answer
> for me,
> >is the quota additivie with what might be in another directory/file
> owned
> by
> >the user like: /home/johndoe/public_html?
> 
> I'm not sure I understand this question.  If public_html is on the
> same filesystem as /home, then any files in that directory which
> are owned by that user are counted against the total allowed quota for
> /home for that user.
> 
> This quota issue, by the way, is another case for buying a good Unix
> reference.  =)
> 
> Hope this helps.
> - -d
> 
> - --
> David Talkington
> http://www.spotnet.org
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:26:31 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Talkington <dtalk prairienet org>
> To: <redhat-list redhat com>
> Subject: Re: limit mailbox size
> Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com
> 
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> 
> By the way, another thing that should be mentioned, in the context of
> mail and quotas.  Linux supports group quotas.  (Solaris does not.
> Go ahead, ask me about the time when we discovered that.  And don your
> asbestos underwear.)  That means that Linux will let you, if you
> choose, limit the total size of all mailboxes in /var/spool/mail,
> because they're owned by group 'mail'.
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> - --
> David Talkington
> http://www.spotnet.org
> 
> PGP key: http://www.prairienet.org/~dtalk/dt000823.asc
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:26:32 -0500 (CDT)
> From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel Infinity-ltd com>
> To: <redhat-list redhat com>
> Subject: Re: Can't send the mail to outside only ?
> Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com
> 
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Kevin Chan wrote:
> 
> > Dear Chuck and Mikkel,
> >
> > I heard someone said you two are the talented on the mail server, so
> please
> > try to help me to solve the following problem:
> >
> > The problem I have now is can't send any mail out from my postfix
> mail
> > server but no problem for receiving mail at all.  My postfix mail
> server
> is
> > using IP address to receive and send mail.  After I using
> > kevinchan [xxx xxx xxx xxx] (new postfix mail server) send mail to
> > kevinchan trasy com (existing mail server from ISP).  The following
> error
> > message was created from Outlook Express:
> >
> > Can't send mailï¼Obecause one of the user reject by
> serverã?,Rejected the
> > email address is 'kevinchan trasy com"ã?, Main 'Postfix', Account:
> 'Postfix -
> > Kevin', Server: '151.102.181.23', Protocol: SMTP, Server Reply: '550
> > <kevinchan trasy com>: User unknown', Port: 25, Safe(SSL): No,
> Server
> Error:
> > 550, Error code: 0x800CCC79
> >
> > If you two know what is the problem on my mail server, please teach
> me to
> > solve the problem...thanks!
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> After some more thought, and an infusion of coffee, the problem could
> also be that the machine with Outlook Express is not listed as being
> able to relay messages through your mail server.  The relevent section
> of the main.cf file is:
> 
> # The relay_domains parameter restricts what clients this mail system
> # will relay mail from, or what destinations this system will relay
> # mail to.  See the smtpd_recipient_restrictions restriction in the
> # file sample-smtpd.cf.
> #
> # By default, Postfix relays mail
> # - from trusted clients whose IP address matches $mynetworks,
> # - from trusted clients matching $relay_domains or subdomains
> thereof,
> # - from untrusted clients to destinations that match $relay_domains
> #   or subdomains thereof, except addresses with sender-specified
> routing.
> # The default relay_domains value is $mydestination.
> #
> # In addition to the above, the Postfix SMTP server by default accepts
> mail
> # that Postfix is final destination for:
> # - destinations that match $inet_interfaces,
> # - destinations that match $mydestination
> # - destinations that match $virtual_maps.
> # These destinations do not need to be listed in $relay_domains.
> #
> # Specify a list of hosts or domains, /file/name patterns or type:name
> # lookup tables, separated by commas and/or whitespace.  Continue
> # long lines by starting the next line with whitespace. A file name
> # is replaced by its contents; a type:name table is matched when a
> # (parent) domain appears as lookup key.
> #
> # NOTE: Postfix will not automatically forward mail for domains that
> # list this system as their primary or backup MX host. See the
> # permit_mx_backup restriction in the file sample-smtpd.cf.
> #
> #relay_domains = $mydestination
> 
> I would check that mynetworks is set to match your local network.
> If your mail host is 151.102.181.23, and 151.102.181.0 is your
> internel
> network, you will want:
> mynetworks = 151.102.181.0/24, 127.0.0.0/8
> 
> This cover both the localhost, and 151.102.181.0, netmask
> 255.255.255.0
> - if your network has a different netmask, you will need to change the
> /24 to match your network.  If you have more then one "local" subnet,
> you can list more then one subnet - just add them to the mynetworks
> line.
> 
> Mikkel
>  --
> 
>     Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
>  for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:48:18 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jerry Winegarden <jbw duke edu>
> To: <redhat-list redhat com>
> Subject: Re: Users/Owners
> Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com
> 
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, David Talkington wrote:
> 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >
> >
> > >Chris Rondthaler wrote:
> > >>
> > >> You should send these questions to a different list.
> >
> > Robert Canary wrote:
> >
> > >Why?  I think its a good question.
> >
> > Please reply below the comment to which  you're referring.
> >
> > I think a more charitable interpretation of what Mr. Rondthaler was
> > trying to say is that the original post reveals a need for some
> basic
> > Unix skills that are beyond the scope of this list.  I disagree with
> > his approach, however; another mailing list isn't what this poster
> > needs.  If you don't yet know how to manipulate users and groups,
> you
> > should sniff out a good book on Unix basics (not about Linux, not
> > about Red Hat, but about Unix), and read up on how this family of
> > operating systems works.  Read a lot.  Read more.  Be hungry.  Do
> your
> > own experimenting, and learn.  Read some more.  Lather, rinse,
> repeat.
> > That's how I started, and I'm sure I'm not alone.  You have to do
> your
> > homework first.
> 
> I totally disagree!
> 
> Heh, Bozo, just answer his question.  If he asks too many little
> questions in too short a period, then your lecture about getting a
> book is
> quite appropriate and would be most helpful at that point.
> 
> It is a GOOD question.  Many EXPERIENCED *nix people may not know the
> specific syntax of adduser, depending on what flavor they came from.
> However, they might have at least thought to try man first.
> Checking man is generally the first thing to try.
> 
> man adduser
> 
> 
> The option(s) you want are:
> 
> -g initialgroup   and
> -G group1,group2,...
> 
> where you specify the additional groups for this user, using either
> group
> name or the underlying group number.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> >
> > When you're to the point where you have questions which are specific
> > to running or configuring a Red Hat system and its included
> software,
> > then come back here with details of what you've done, what results
> you
> > expected, and what results you got.
> >
> > If you'd like advice on specifically what books to read, I'm sure
> > you'll get a barrage of suggestions (and I have a few gems of my
> own,
> > which I'd be happy to share), but this isn't an effective place to
> > learn basic Unix skills. I do not in any way intend to be
> disparaging
> > of newbies; quite the contrary.  It takes motivation and persistence
> > to go down this road, and anyone willing to dive in and educate
> > himself or herself has my respect ... but you won't reap the rewards
> > of Unix by asking others to educate you.  You must read.  Unix helps
> > those who help themselves, and it returns many times the effort it
> > takes to learn.
> >
> > Wow, why am I so verbose suddenly at this unholy hour?  I'll get off
> > my podium and shut up now.
> >
> > - -d
> >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: redhat-list-admin redhat com
> [mailto:redhat-list-admin redhat com]On
> > >> Behalf Of marko sarunac
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:11 PM
> > >> To: redhat-list redhat com
> > >> Subject: Users/Owners
> > >>
> > >> using command line....i can add a user using a adduser
> function....but
> how
> > >> do i assign the groups that user belongs to...also..is there a
> tool
> that
> > >> will show a "tree" of users and what group(s) they belong to.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you.
> > >> Marko Sarunac
> > >>
> > >> _________________________________________________________________
> > >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
> > >>
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> jbw duke edu http://www-jerry.oit.duke.edu
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:41:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Talkington <dtalk prairienet org>
> To: <redhat-list redhat com>
> Subject: Re: Users/Owners
> Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> 
> Jerry Winegarden wrote:
> 
> >Heh, Bozo, just answer his question.  If he asks too many little
> >questions in too short a period, then your lecture about getting a
> book is
> >quite appropriate and would be most helpful at that point.
> >
> >It is a GOOD question.  Many EXPERIENCED *nix people may not know the
> >specific syntax of adduser, depending on what flavor they came from.
> >However, they might have at least thought to try man first.
> 
> And man groupadd, man groups, man usermod, and /etc/group.
> 
> - -d.bozo
> 
> - --
> David Talkington
> http://www.spotnet.org
> 
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> Message: 9
> From: "IS" <is think nl>
> To: <redhat-list redhat com>
> Subject: quota setup doesn't succeed
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:44:26 +0200
> Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com
> 
> I try to setup quota in RH 7.1 but I can't get it work. Last time I
> did this
> was on a 5.1 machine.
> 
> Where can I find docs about this subject?? (I searched ofcourse but
> after a
> few docs I still can't get it work.)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Regards,
> Ivo
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:49:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Talkington <dtalk prairienet org>
> To: <redhat-list redhat com>
> Subject: Re: Formatting and email
> Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com
> 
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> Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> 
> >> When replying to messages in plain text I can have problems with
> >> formatting. If I have to due editing corrections sometimes after i
> >> finish the text is very assymetrical. What can i do to make it more
> >> normal. Sometimes I may have just oneor two words on a line. No
> >> matter what it still goes back to that form. Karl
> >>
> >>
> >This is dependent on the email program/editor you are using.  If you
> are
> >using Pico as your editor, (Default in Pine.) hitting Ctrl-J will
> >reformat paragraphs.  Other editors use other key combonations...
> 
> I particularly like Pine's way of correctly handling CTRL+J within
> quoted segments -- maintaining a reply-indent-string character at the
> beginning of each line, even after justification, which is a boon when
> cleaning up the replies of people who use crappy MUAs that don't break
> lines properly.  =)
> 
> - -d
> 
> - --
> David Talkington
> http://www.spotnet.org
> 
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> 
> Message: 11
> From: "Charles Galpin" <cgalpin lighthouse-software com>
> To: <redhat-list redhat com>
> Subject: Re: [RH List] Re: Virtual Mailboxes
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:56:08 -0400
> Reply-To: redhat-list redhat com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley M. Kirchner <ashley pcraft com>
> 
> 
> > Mike Burger wrote:
> >
> > > man virtusertable for information on the Sendmail Virtual User
> Table.
> >
> >     Been there, done that and already have it in place.  That
> doesn't
> answer
> > my question though.
> 
> I have not used it myself, but I believe cyrus imap supports virtual
> mailboxes without system accounts.
> 
> Please let us know what IMAP soultuion you find works well.
> 
> thanks
> charles
> 
> 
> 
> 
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