Re: [rhelv5-list] php53-pear request - bug 673521

[D G Teed <donald teed gmail com>]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Bryan J Smith <b j smith ieee org> wrote:
> I've actually built some Pear/Pecl components with the RHEL5.6 php53  (5.3.3)
> stack installed more recently, using the SPEC meta tags to  package nicely into
> RPMs.  I prefer it over running the scripts to build  components outside of
> RPM.  But your experiences may vary.

Can Pear itself be upgraded this way?  This is what is holding up use
of Horde via pear installation method.  If so, please give an example
or a URL noting how pear can be updated within the Redhat environment.

> -- Bryan
>
> P.S.  For the latest software requirements, have you considered RHEL6?  RHEL5 is
> over four (4) years old, based on a Fedora release even older.  I would suspect
> several, 2011+ era components that have dependencies on PHP 5.3+, Python 2.6,
> etc... will cause various issues that Red Hat won't be able to always address.

RHEL 6 would require installing on another hardware system.  I don't
have experience
with recent RH upgrade in situ, but my gut reaction says don't do that with
a production system or you are looking at hours of downtime before all features
function as they did before.  So this is going to wait until there is
newer hardware
for this system, which will be a few years away since it is only one year old.

In my point of view, Redhat 5.0 came out over four years ago.  Redhat 5.6 is
current (what we are running) and 5.7 is around the corner.
Redhat 5 just released php53 in January 2011, so it is false
to talk of this being way out of date.  It makes sense for Redhat to
follow up the php53 release with the missing Pear update.

Perhaps it will drive home the point further that there is something busted in
Redhat if I show what happens in Debian 5, which is also a number of years old
and provides php 5.2.6....

On a Debian 5 system:
# pear list
Installed packages, channel pear.php.net:
=========================================
Package          Version State
Archive_Tar      1.3.2   stable
Console_Getopt   1.2.3   stable
PEAR             1.7.1   stable
Structures_Graph 1.0.2   stable

# pear upgrade-all
Will upgrade channel://pear.php.net/structures_graph
Will upgrade channel://pear.php.net/pear
Will upgrade channel://pear.php.net/archive_tar
Will upgrade channel://pear.php.net/console_getopt
pear/Console_Getopt requires PEAR Installer (version >= 1.8.0),
installed version is 1.7.1
downloading Structures_Graph-1.0.4.tgz ...
Starting to download Structures_Graph-1.0.4.tgz (30,318 bytes)
.........done: 30,318 bytes
downloading PEAR-1.9.3.tgz ...
Starting to download PEAR-1.9.3.tgz (295,774 bytes)
...done: 295,774 bytes
downloading Archive_Tar-1.3.7.tgz ...
Starting to download Archive_Tar-1.3.7.tgz (17,610 bytes)
...done: 17,610 bytes
downloading XML_Util-1.2.1.tgz ...
Starting to download XML_Util-1.2.1.tgz (17,729 bytes)
...done: 17,729 bytes
upgrade-all ok: channel://pear.php.net/Structures_Graph-1.0.4
upgrade-all ok: channel://pear.php.net/Archive_Tar-1.3.7
upgrade-all ok: channel://pear.php.net/XML_Util-1.2.1
upgrade-all ok: channel://pear.php.net/PEAR-1.9.3
PEAR: Optional feature webinstaller available (PEAR's web-based installer)
PEAR: Optional feature gtkinstaller available (PEAR's PHP-GTK-based installer)
PEAR: Optional feature gtk2installer available (PEAR's PHP-GTK2-based installer)
PEAR: To install optional features use "pear install pear/PEAR#featurename"

 # pear list
Installed packages, channel pear.php.net:
=========================================
Package          Version State
Archive_Tar      1.3.7   stable
Console_Getopt   1.2.3   stable
PEAR             1.9.3   stable
Structures_Graph 1.0.4   stable
XML_Util         1.2.1   stable

If Debian 5 can do this, why can't Redhat 5?

--Donald


>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: D G Teed <donald teed gmail com>
> Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 2:00:51 PM
>
> There is an existing bug report for this.
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=673521
> We don't have support - can't afford the fees.
>
> I've looked at the 5.7 release notes and nothing about php or pear
> on the horizon.  This bug report is now a few months old.
>
> This shortcoming impacts projects built on php.  For example,
> it is impossible to install the current Horde Webmail software
> based on Horde 4 within the pear environment provided by Redhat.
>
> It is ridiculous we have to go 3rd party repos or compile
> from source if we want updates like this very soon.
>
> I prefer to install packages managed by a package manager.
> Redhat can make it a new package as was done with php53
> and then we have a way to reinstall with the older php 5.1 stuff
> if there are issues.
>
> The user list at horde suggest using the repo Les RPM de Remi
> but I'd much rather not get into another dependency tree and
> watch my OS start showing cracks in the foundation
> a year later.
>
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