Re: Double dare ya, Fedora! And your art sucks!

[Rahul Sundaram <sundaram fedoraproject org>]

On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 09:56 -0300, Casimiro de Almeida Barreto wrote:
> Andy Green escreveu: 
> > Eric S. Raymond wrote: 
> > 
> > (...)
> > > But the art problem pales compared to the issue that everyone has
> > > been 
> > > ducking, which is Fedora's support for DVDs and proprietary audio
> > > and 
> > > video and web-streaming formats and Java applets. That is to say,
> > > its 
> > ... 
> > > It's 2006, people.  The Web is fifteen years old.  Even non-
> > > techies 
> > > have had a decade to form expectations about what constitutes a
> > > base 
> > 
> > Supporting Flash seems to soak up most of the problem that can be
> > solved, eg, youtube, Google Video, and if you have 32-bit firefox
> > you can have it.  Seems the only answer for Quicktime and such is
> > the corporate mantrap that is Mplayer, it makes no sense for Redhat
> > to invite attack on their cash by playing that game.  There is no
> > limit to the number of dangerous proprietary formats that one could
> > address by that logic. 
> > 
> This kind of argument only shows 2 things:
> 
>      1. RedHat/Fedora people are absolutelly unable to deal with major
>         manufacturers (Adobe for Instance) and have good versions of
>         Flash/Shockwave and (Apple) Quicktime. Curious thing is that
>         my Apple Mini (a real wonder) runs OS X Tiger (that is a *NIX
>         system) and has no problems with flash, shockwave or PDF
>         files... as well as don't have problems with device drivers.
>      2. RedHat wants, in the mid-range/long term to have a "commercial
>         product" where those "facilities" and other "utilities" are
>         sold at a price...

or 3. We actually want Fedora to be a entirely Free and open source
system like stated explicitly. Funny how that works.

> In software market everything is gray zone. You issue MySql and AFAIK
> it is not really "open source", but them you stripe it (so RHEL can
> have the full flavour and the others don't). 


MySQL is not open source. That's news to me. Why doesn't it qualify?

> You may not know, but what was done to PHP in FC-5 is a shame. There
> is no f_ck_g way to make international encoding to work well.

Did you file a bug report? That would be a first step for all confirmed
bugs. 


Rahul