RE: [rhn-users] New version on redhat - Fedora + RHN?

["Matthew Shepherd" <matthew allstate net au>]

dont understand

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From: rhn-users-admin redhat com [mailto:rhn-users-admin redhat com]On
Behalf Of Alejandro Lemus
Sent: Friday, 31 October 2003 2:40 PM
To: rhn-users redhat com
Subject: Re: [rhn-users] New version on redhat - Fedora + RHN?


Adgar y los que en la actualidad tenemos RH7.3 y RH9.0
prpfesional, que costo pagarian si fue adquirido hace
2 años?

 --- Edgar <eosorio sunset com mx> escribió: > I'm
totally disappointed of the new trends that RH
> is taking. As lot of
> people here has said, paying 1K+ for every server in
> your orgaization per
> year is becoming really dificult to present in
> budget mettings as the first
> question that raise is. Why paying same price
> licence every year?. I was
> paying to redhat about 6K, but now as they are
> removing RH9 I have 200 units
> , how in the hell I'm going to say that we'll pay
> every year 170 (170 x 200
> = 34K) bucks just for updates....I don't want to
> sound sarcastic but for a
> moment i remembered my old times dealing with OEM
> licences from
> Microsoft....as someone said here, with that amount
> of money i can hire
> someone to make the updates manually, not as elegant
> and reliable as RHN but
> it would work...
>
> As almost everyone is saying here I'd love to stay
> as a customer from RH but
> they are leaving us...sad their products are great,
> but I think i'm going to
> see other choises in the near future...maybe
> SUSE.....
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Snider" <ksnider flarn com>
> To: <rhn-users redhat com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [rhn-users] New version on redhat -
> Fedora + RHN?
>
>
> > Michael Gargiullo wrote:
> >
> > > Neither do we.  I mean I understand they need to
> make money.  We
> > > purchased several dozen enterprise entitlements,
> and didn't renew them
> > > when we got the news that the regular product
> line is being
> > > discontinued.
> >
> > We aren't renewing either.. and this is the
> reason:
> >
> > *every* RH product now comes with RHN. From RHEL
> AS, all the way down to
> > their boxes workstation product.
> >
> > And now, with them not supporting Fedora, there's
> no product that doesn't
> > come with an RHN subscription any longer.
> >
> > In short, the "Update" RHN entitlement is now
> totally worthless. I'm sure
> > they'll "upsell" you the Management or Monitoring
> package, but I haven't
> > even seen that as an option.. Looks like if you
> want to go from "Update"
> to
> > "Management", you pay the full price. A poor
> choice on the part of Red
> Hat.
> >
> > Their "Monitoring" product confuses the hell out
> of me. I was *totally*
> > gung-ho to sell it to our execs, but you need
> *hardware* to monitor the
> > systems? We have 20 co-located facilities! I'm not
> paying for 20 dedicated
> > "monitoring" appliances, that's nuts!
> >
> > Between me and Michael, I'll bet RH is losing
> somewhere from $8-10K a year
> > in RHN entitlements. They don't *want* this
> money?!
> >
> > So, here's the deal. I need RHN. I need reliable
> updates. But their prices
> > are insane, and I'm not prepared to to buy 75
> copies of RHEL *per year*.
> Not
> > even WS. Even WS nearly *triples* the cost
> (compared to ~$60/yr for RHN
> > "Update" service).
> >
> > And that doesn't even cover the other huge problem
> we have. Opterons. We
> > need them, we want them. Red Hat wants $1992 *per
> year* for the software.
> > Devel costs, right? *wrong*. A cmp was done on
> several RH9 rpms recompiled
> > on Taroon (RHEL3 beta for AMD64), against the
> available RHEL3 recompiled
> > RPMS. Guess what the results were? over *250* of
> those rpms were
> > *identical*. That means over 250 packages *did not
> change* from RH9. At
> all.
> >   combine this with the fact that "most"
> applications are 64-bit aware
> > already anyway (for Solaris), and there's *no way*
> $2k/year is justified.
> > That's half the cost of the SERVER, per YEAR!
> Here's hoping Fedora makes a
> > version.
> >
> > My plan? I'll be buying *one* copy of RHEL. I
> can't use the updates from
> RHN
> > to redeploy on my other boxes, but I *can*
> recompile the SRPMS myself,
> which
> > I intend to do.
> >
> > So, I'll be rebuilding the entirety of RHEL3 on my
> "entitled" box, and use
> > those SRPMS to build a "new" set of install ISO's,
> which I will use to
> > install RHEL3 on all of our servers. Red hat gets
> $179 from us, per year.
> > That's it. And the sad part is, we were prepared
> to pay them $6K/year
> already.
> >
> > For reference, there are several projects underway
> to provide this very
> > service (rebuilt, license-free versions of RHEL
> from the source RPMS):
> >
> >
>
http://www2.uibk.ac.at/zid/software/unix/linux/rhel-rebuild-l.html
> >
>
http://caosity.org/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=53&op=page
> >
> > And a note to Red Hat: It's not that I don't want
> to be a customer - it's
> > that you are not providing me an option I can
> reasonably present to our
> > CTO/CFO. Please, reconsider your product
> offerings. Either support Fedora
> in
> > RHN, or gives us a RHEL build that costs less than
> *triple* the cost of
> RHN
> > per year, at minimum. And please, offer a "WS
> Basic" version of RHEL for
> AMD64!
> >
> > --
> > Ken Snider
> >
> >
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