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Re: [PATCH master] Networking UI - integration of NM Applet



On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 02:34 -0500, Martin Gracik wrote:
> I actually like Radek's panel applet. It is very familiar for me, not like some other confusing network setup dialog I've never seen before.
> Maybe we could make the whole installer look more like desktop, that could be interesting.

If we go with the applet approach, would it make sense for loader to
start a session manager and panel in addition to anaconda?  The session
would be preconfigured to start a certain panel configuration, along
with auto-starting anaconda?  The reason I suggest this is that the
built-in applet approach will make less sense when running anaconda on a
live system that already has a desktop session, panel and applets.  

So the question is, should we converge on the experience by instead
moving the panel and session into the DVD/CD install experience?

Thanks,
James

> ----- "Brian C. Lane" <bcl redhat com> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:38:54PM +0100, Radek Vykydal wrote:
> > > On 11/17/2010 11:18 PM, Brian C. Lane wrote:
> > > >On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 01:33:20PM +0100, Radek Vykydal wrote:
> > > >>Hi list,
> > > >>
> > > >>this is another take on network enablement/configuration UI in
> > anaconda.
> > > >>It follows first take:
> > >
> > >>https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2010-October/msg00201.html
> > > >>the point of which was to offer functionality that NetworkManager
> > Applet
> > > >>does in desktop environment - overview of available devices, its
> > > >>status, available APs for wireless, activate/disconnect device
> > controls.
> > > >I don't like the panel/applet method. I feels like a kludge to me.
> > I'm
> > > >also not a big fan of how we are doing it currently, but I think
> > popping
> > > >up a network dialog is much better than expecting the user to click
> > on the
> > > >applet.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Why does it feel like a kludge? It's just the network
> > > configuration/enablement done the same way as in the
> > > desktop/installed system. I don't dare to estimate how
> > > users would see it - is it intuitive enough, isn't it too
> > > much of surprise? I am talking about it with Máirín.
> > > For me the applet solution seems pretty clean and simple,
> > > but it is probably because I am already using Fedora.
> > 
> > The installer isn't the desktop, so to me panels and applets don't
> > fit.
> > I realize we have moved in a direction that requires us to use these,
> > but I don't think they fit. It seems to me that we're painting
> > ourselves
> > into a corner by depending on NetworkManager during the install.
> > Maybe
> > NM needs a better API to control these things without the need for
> > the
> > applet?
> > 
> > (NOTE: I do realize that I'm complaining without have any better
> > solutions, sorry about that).
> > 
> > -- 
> > Brian C. Lane | Anaconda Team | IRC: bcl #anaconda | Port Orchard, WA
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