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Re: User Experience improvements for Anaconda

Martin Gracik <mgracik redhat com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 07:37 -0800, Steve Allen wrote:
> > Martin Gracik <mgracik redhat com> wrote:
> > > I don't think it works like this all the time. For example, you have
> > > SELinux enabled by default in Fedora. You also have firewall enabled by
> > > default. Enabling those tools by default is a policy Fedora is
> > > enforcing, and you as a user (or organization) can disable it manually.
> > > This is similar to the root account situation.
> > 
> > I disagree.  They may be on by default, but I can turn them off in the
> > installer.  So they're not enforced.
> > 
> > Not allowing a root password to be set but rather requiring a user account
> > to be created, that's enforced.
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> Can we please keep this on the mailing list?

My apologies.  I intended to, but wasn't watching where my replies were

> I'm not 100% sure now, but I think, in older versions, you could turn
> them off after boot in firstboot, not during the installation. That's
> not possible in F14 anymore at all.

I just got done installing F14.  You're right, that wasn't an option
during the install.  Bummer.  More work for me.

> We could still provide a way of skipping the user creation and setting
> root password in kickstart installations. This way also vendors
> preinstalling the OS for their customers could leave the user creation
> for the actual users in firstboot.
> My concern now is just the GUI installation. During GUI install, you
> cannot disable SELinux or firewall. And I think it would be better to
> have a normal user creation instead of setting root password in the GUI
> screen as well.

I don't like it that options are being taken away.  First it was the "install
everything" option.  Now it's a royal PITA to do the equivalent.  Now the
selinux and firewall options have gone away.  Next it'll be the root password.
You may color me a grouchy old man, but I like having the flexibility to
_install_ things the way I want, rather than having to come back and _fix_
them after the install.

With that, I'm gone for the holiday.
Have a happy turkey day.
Thanks for listening.


Steven R. Allen - Linux Admin Weenie
Unix sysadmin: Linux, IRIX, NetBSD, OS X, Solaris, HP/UX, CX/UX
Phone: 206-544-0910  M/S: 4J-06

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