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Re: Static IPs



Ray,
I looked at the Web page you indicated, but I couldn't see how you hide the
graphics from the screen reader, unless you use the aplet to do so. I didn't
see any indication of graphics in the source.
John

Computers to Help People, Inc.
http://www.chpi.org
825 East Johnson; Madison, WI 53703


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Saldana III" <raysaldana theriver com>
To: <blinux-list redhat com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 16:19
Subject: Re: Static IPs


> One of the sites I do commercially is www.marthamyhre.com there are
graphics
> on it, and also applets, but I install them in such a way that if you are
> using a screen reader you will never be aware of them, and the text reads
> such that they are not needed for content. I use them as entertainment for
> the sighted community, as we know they are like children we must entertain
> them some.
>     My personal feeling is such that if it is not related to content then
I
> would not deal with them, and get to the mustard of it all. So I
appreciate
> your ideas so I know how others feel about it.
>     For the web there are techniques to make everything readable for us
and
> easy to use. Little things such as when building a form coding in the last
> button underneath the final button so it is read correctly, and it still
> looks god to a sighted person, yet is still very functional for us. Of
> course it is a bit more work, but it works better. I just try to install
> things so they are good for the sighted as there are so many more of them,
> and still offer us the ability to get what we need from them also. It
> sometimes becomes a bit of a chore. I do however appreciate your thoughts
> and ideas.
>     The one thing I can say for sure is we will not get out of this alive
> though.
> 73 RR
> AB7JM
> http://personal.riverusers.com/~ab7jm_gila
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andor Demarteau" <ademarte students cs uu nl>
> To: <blinux-list redhat com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Static IPs
>
>
> > On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, John J. Boyer wrote:
> >
> >  > Ray,
> >  > Jaws will report a graphic even if it has no alt tag. It may give the
> file
> >  > name of the graphic. I feel that a blind user should know when
graphics
> are
> >  > there, so he does not appear ignorant to a sighted user. Likewise, a
> blind
> >  > user should know about the presence of other visual elements, and a
> deaf
> >  > user should know about sound elements. I don't want to seem like a
fool
> to
> >  > my sighted colleagues.
> > John, they also can be a little more approciative and know that some
> things
> > on a site are not visible for you (or audiable for a deaf person).
> > Why do we always want to know exactly what sighted people know and make
> our
> > lifes that more dificult at the same time.
> >
> >  > John
> >  >
> >  > Computers to Help People, Inc.
> >  > http://www.chpi.org
> >  > 825 East Johnson; Madison, WI 53703
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > ----- Original Message -----
> >  > From: "Ray Saldana III" <raysaldana theriver com>
> >  > To: <blinux-list redhat com>
> >  > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 15:03
> >  > Subject: Re: Static IPs
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > > Carl, one other question, will you share your address with me? I
just
> want
> >  > > to check it out for curiosity.
> >  > >     Another question for everyone, I don't use alt tags in my web
> pages. I
> >  > > lay the graphics in so if you are using a screen reader you never
> know
> >  > they
> >  > > are there. Do you feel this is a mistake? I myself am always after
> the
> >  > text,
> >  > > and since I am unable to see the pictures, just prefer they lay in
> and I
> >  > am
> >  > > unaware of them. This was my reasoning as I can use the text that
is
> what
> >  > I
> >  > > am after, and so prefer the pictures to be left to the sighted
> community.
> >  > I
> >  > > would appreciate others feelings on this.
> >  > >     I also use Java-applets, but lay them in so a non sighted
person
> never
> >  > > knows they are there. In other words no interferences with the
> sharing of
> >  > > information. Do you guys feel this is a mistake?
> >  > >     Animations I use and again lay them in the coding so they don't
> >  > > interfere, sometimes this is not an easy task, but can be
> accomplished
> >  > with
> >  > > some effort. Thanks again!
> >  > > 73 RR
> >  > > AB7JM
> >  > > http://personal.riverusers.com/~ab7jm_gila
> >  > > ----- Original Message -----
> >  > > From: "Andor Demarteau" <ademarte students cs uu nl>
> >  > > To: <blinux-list redhat com>
> >  > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 10:49 AM
> >  > > Subject: Re: Static IPs
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > > On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Karl Dahlke wrote:
> >  > > >
> >  > > >  > Someone described a pseudo-always-on dsl connection from
> Ameritech,
> >  > > >  > wherein the company drops you if you're not busy,
> >  > > >  > and you wake up with a new ip address.
> >  > > >  > What a frightening thought.
> >  > > > have a look at http://www.dhs.org
> >  > > > great and quick service to get a dynamic-ip with a
fixed-hostname.
> >  > > > Works fine.
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > >  > I've just started hosting my own web site, on my own machine,
> >  > > >  > and I don't know why I didn't take the plunge long ago.
> >  > > >  > It's easy, and it's fun.
> >  > > >  > There are numerous advantages, and a couple disadvantages.
> >  > > >  > Well anyways, it would be unthinkable if I had such a terrible
> isp.
> >  > > >  > I certainly can't reprogram all the name servers on the
internet
> >  > > >  > every time they decide to give me a new ip address.
> >  > > >  > The cable at-home service doesn't work like that,
> >  > > >  > and I have nothing but good things to say about them.
> >  > > >  > They even tried to help me set up,
> >  > > >  > knowing that I was on Linux.
> >  > > >  > That's pretty rare.
> >  > > >  >
> >  > > >  > Getting back to the IPs;
> >  > > >  > one day we lost the bill, or it got lost in the mail, or
> whatever,
> >  > > >  > and I was behind, so they turned off the service.
> >  > > >  > I called with my credit card to turn it back on and asked,
> >  > > >  > please please please,
> >  > > >  > can I have my old ip back again.
> >  > > >  > "Sure, we've been saving it for you."
> >  > > >  > Now that's class,
> >  > > >  > and its certainly important to those of us who are hosting our
> own
> >  > > sites.
> >  > > >  >
> >  > > >  > Karl Dahlke
> >  > > >  >
> >  > > >  >
> >  > > >  >
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