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Log from EPEL Meeting (20070801)



10:01  * nirik looks around for the EPEL meeting.
10:02  * dgilmore is here
10:02 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: Ping
10:02 < mmcgrath> pong
10:03 < _blah_> dgilmore: i'd say upload what you've got to the wiki, and if 
people want to revise further we can.
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10:05 < dgilmore> done
10:05 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: meeting
10:05 < dgilmore> who else are we missing?
10:05  * mmcgrath is sort of here (also working on some infrastructure issues)
10:05 < mmcgrath> quaid: ping?
10:05 < mmcgrath> Jeff_S?
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10:06 -!- Fabi [n=festifn moinmoin/coreteam/florian] has joined 
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10:06 < dgilmore> Well what did everyone think of how things have gone since 
the announcement?
10:06 < notting> what sort of uptake do we have? do we have stats?
10:06 < mmcgrath> pretty good actually.
10:07 < warren> Is EPEL's homepage easy to find?
10:07 -!- nirik changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: EPEL Meeting|EPEL 
announcement happened -- are we satisfied with how everything worked out?
10:07 -!- giallu [n=giallu 81-174-26-126 static ngi it] has quit ["Leaving"]
10:07  * f13 peeks in
10:07 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: I saw a couple of articles done about epel
10:07  * _blah_ pushes f13 back to work on f8test1
10:07 < nirik> yeah, stats on repo usage would be nice... not sure how to 
gather those tho...like fedora I suppose?
10:08  * quaid is here, had to do some stuff that ran over
10:08 < dgilmore> warren: we probably should have a link on the front page of 
fp.o and fp.o/wiki
10:08 < mmcgrath> http://www.linux.com/feature/118304
10:08 < nirik> or perhaps a epel.fedoraproject.org cname?
10:08 < warren> redirect at least
10:08 < warren> too bad epel.org is taken
10:09 < dgilmore> nirik: that also
10:09 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: Red Hat's new Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux 
(EPEL) repository might be an excellent place to go fishing.
10:09 < dgilmore> i dont much like that
10:10 < rsc> is there a chance for epel.redhat.com?
10:10 < dgilmore> its Fedora's not Red Hat's
10:10 < warren> rsc, better to brand it with Fedora
10:10 < dgilmore> rsc: i dont want to go down that route
10:10 < rsc> dgilmore, warren: Accepted.
10:12 < nirik> who updates http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics ? 
mspevack ? perhaps we could add a epel section there and add the same stats 
for it?
10:12 < nirik> or do we collect the same data?
10:12 < warren> EPEL users are technically different from Fedora
10:12 < mmcgrath> nirik: we could collect that data, do we want epel in 
general or both epel-5 and epel-4?
10:12 < warren> maybe we could add them both together
10:13 < nirik> it might be nice to see both epel4 and epel5... but I dont know 
how hard it is to generate those stats...
10:13 < mmcgrath> nirik: those numbers actually come from - 
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/cacti/graph.php?action=view&rra_id=all&local_graph_id=253
10:13 < nirik> ah, from smolt?
10:13 < mmcgrath> nirik: its not hard but I think I'm the only one who 
understands it.
10:13 < mmcgrath> well, some from smolt, some from grabbing ip's from the 
logs.
10:14 < nirik> yeah, we don't have smolt data, but uniq ips would be nice to 
know... better than nothing...
10:14 < dgilmore> anyone have anything else to add?
10:15 < nirik> (although, I suppose smolt could be built for epel4/epel5 
barring missing dependencies, etc)
10:15 < mmcgrath> nirik: actually its already in epel5 :)
10:15 < dgilmore> nirik: its in epel5
10:15 < nirik> cool. I should install it and run it on my 5 machines. ;)
10:15 < mmcgrath> nirik: you should :)
10:16 < nirik> might be worth a mailing list post/blog mentioning that to let 
people know its out there for epel5.
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10:16 < nirik> anyhow, nothing else on this topic for me.
10:16 < mmcgrath> <nod>
10:16 < mmcgrath> nothing else here.  I think its gone well.
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10:16 < _blah_> mmcgrath: are all dependencies resolved now that things have 
been moved to testing?
10:16  * nirik sees 15 centos5 and 10 rhel5 entries in smolt.
10:17 -!- dgilmore changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: EPEL Meeting| 
branch for EPEL if Fedora maintainer does not react -- dgilmore
10:17 < mmcgrath> _blah_: I think some are left (though its not many, last 
check it was 3 and the owners were notified).
10:17 < _blah_> dgilmore: i like the version you mailed and put into the wiki.
10:17 < mmcgrath> I think it was 2 in rhel4 and 1 in rhel5
10:17 < dgilmore> sorry it took so long i sent my proposal just before the 
meeting
10:17 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: I think your suggestion is very reasonable.
10:18 < nirik> dgilmore: +1 from me on your proposal. We can modify later if 
we need to.
10:18 < _blah_> for the record a link to the current version in the wiki is:
                
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/GuidelinesAndPolicies#head-00c9e731bb7bc5bb78caf8d124da3a329400fcd8
10:18 < dgilmore> If there are no objections we will take that as accepted
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10:20 < nirik> shall we move on?
10:20 < dgilmore> I think so
10:20 -!- dgilmore changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: new push scripts 
for pushing to testing, adjust mock configs to use
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10:20 < dgilmore> i still need to do this
10:21 < dgilmore> I will do it tonight
10:21 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: can you remind me if i dont please
10:21 < nirik> so for security (if any) we are going to manually move packages 
as needed?
10:21 < mmcgrath> will do
10:21 < dgilmore> yes
10:21 < dgilmore> security will need manual handling
10:22 < nirik> sounds good. Let me know if I can assist any with that.
10:22 < dgilmore> will do
10:22 -!- dgilmore changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: EPEL Meeting: EPEL 
announcement happened -- what next?
10:23 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: good question.
10:23 < mmcgrath> Things are going pretty well.
10:23 < dgilmore> OK  what now?
10:23 < nirik> more packages, more maintainers, more users. ;)
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10:23 < nirik> if we could move to koji at some point and bodhi that would be 
good...
10:24 < dgilmore> that needs to be done but requires coders
10:24 < nirik> yeah. ;(
10:25 < dgilmore> does anyone have ideas on how to get more packages in EPEL
10:26 < nirik> I have some more I am going to do, but haven't had time... 
hopefully soon I will get munin in and possibly will look at Xfce (matching 
the
               centos extra versions so we don't conflict if possible)
10:27 < dgilmore> i think xfce would be good to have
10:27 < dgilmore> i think silug has yet to build alot of his perl modules due 
to missing deps
10:27 < mmcgrath> <nod>
10:28 < mmcgrath> There are a lot of things we'd like to branch that deps are 
missing for
10:28 < nirik> just takes time to make sure things are branched and then work 
right, etc...
10:29 < dgilmore> yep
10:29 < _blah_> i'd like to see rt3 and bugzilla 3 in there
10:29 < dgilmore> it would be nice for someone to see whats branched and not 
built
10:30 < nirik> 11 open epel bugs... so we have some users at least. ;)
10:31 < nirik> shall we talk yum for epel4 ?
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10:31 < nirik> and move what next? to the mailing list?
10:33 < dgilmore> i think we should talk about yum on the list
10:34 < dgilmore> I personally think we provide the version thats in CentOS  
but without a /etc/yum.conf file
10:34 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: do you agree with the 0. in release?
10:36 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: i see the point of it yeah
10:37 < nirik> yeah, it seems fine to me...
10:37 -!- AravindSeshadri [n=AravindS 0-11-43-71-59-38 ceat okstate edu] has 
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10:38 < mmcgrath> I guess we want to ship yum with no yum configs.
10:38 < mmcgrath> maybe a /etc/yum.conf that contains a comment to note that 
it shouldn't be used.
10:39 < nirik> yeah...
10:42 < dgilmore> yep
10:42 < dgilmore> that seems sane
10:42 < dgilmore> lets put it on the list get buy in from everyone
10:42 -!- dgilmore changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: EPEL Meeting: Free 
chat
10:42 < dgilmore> anyone have anything to add?
10:42  * mmcgrath has nothing
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10:44 < dgilmore> ==== Meeting closed =====


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