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Re: Mock for EPEL4 with broken deps for ages



On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 15:53, Michael Schwendt <mschwendt gmail com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:13:52 -0600, Stephen wrote:
>
>> The best thing about EPEL is that there are no " the EPEL project
>> leaders" beyond those that are interested in the project.
>
> There's a page that distinguishes between the
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL_Steering_Committee
> and the
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL_SIG
> It's rather detailed and, for example, explains that the EPEL Steering
> Committee handles "practical packaging [...] maintenance and update policy
> for EPEL", and therefore its members should have interest in an issue like
> this.

Yeah... well ok I will start rewriting those.

>> Since you have expressed a lot of interest in things..
>
> Whether I have "a lot of interest" in EPEL, some interest only, or no
> interest at all, depends on several criteria. One such criterion is
> whether EPEL is founded on solid groundwork.
>
> The fact that this Mock breakage would have been found by a broken deps
> check (which is on the EPEL schedule for years) is just a minor detail.

You are correct. I will see what can be done to fix this with the koji
side of things.

>> what are your ideas on how we can fix this problem?
>
> I don't understand EPEL yet.

Me either brother, me either.

>> 1) We should  remove the FAQ documents?
>
> Seriously?

Yes. Seriously.. I know it sounded snarky, but I am getting over a 2
day stomach flu bug and am just wanting ideas on what we can do right.

> There's a lot of "talk" in those FAQs, which doesn't match reality. I'd
> favour a more honest/self-critical view of what EPEL is able to deliver
> today … as opposed to what it could deliver if it had enough volunteers
> to contribute.
>
>> 2) Would you like to be the EPEL-EL4 Tsar to deal with these issues?
>
> At present, you could not even tell _how_ "to deal with these issues".
> I've found only one. How many others are there? (e.g. run-time issues)
>
> One thing for sure, it wouldn't be much fun to have one group bring
> a package into EPEL and see how they drop the ball long before dist EOL.
> And then point at the FAQ and hope for another person (or group) to
> drag the package out of the mud.
>
> Bodhi doesn't know about any substantial testing of EPEL updates:
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/metrics/?release=EL-4
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/metrics/?release=EL-5
>

Yes.. that needs to change also.



-- 
Stephen J Smoogen.
“The core skill of innovators is error recovery, not failure avoidance.”
Randy Nelson, President of Pixar University.
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