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Re: [et-mgmt-tools] [PATCH] Add VNC-Port setting when virt-managercreates VM



Hi

An advantage of the fixed port which I want to insist on is "A user can choose an arbitrary port.".
Neither remote-connection nor authentication matters particularly. It is a story before it.
The reason why this user comes to need choice of a fixed port is as follows.


If an user absolutely use the port number from 5900, either does not surely matter.
But,
for example,
when the port number 5900-5920 is used by other uses,
when there is a user hoping that I manage a port number by use to assign from 9000,

A fxed port selection mode is necessary, because there is these situation.
(The person who does not need a fixed port should choose an auto selection mode.)
Any users will not hope to change other designs to use it for auto selection.


Thanks,
Shigeki Sakamoto.



> On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 04:44:15PM +0900, S.Sakamoto wrote:
> > Hi, Dan
> > 
> > Thanks for your comment.
> > 
> > > It will prove unreliable in practice, because even if you
> > > fix a particular guest on port 5905, any other guest doing dynamic VNC port
> > > assignment may choose this port before the hardcoded guest starts.
> > This situation is surely thought.
> > But, I think that problem is solved
> > if it performs a repetition check of a port number in virt-inst.
> > When it is this situation, at first,
> > examine the port number that all other guests use when it starts a guest.
> > Next, If the port number is fixed and repetition,
> > output a message. [e.g."Repetition. Set a different port number."]
> > (However, there is not a function setting a port for an existing guest now.
> >  If it is necessary at the same time,
> >  I make 'check of repetition' and 'function setting a port for an existing guest'.)
> > 
> > > It is not going to be easy for virt-manager to do validation of this port number
> > > either, since in the near future virt-manager may well be running remotely
> > > from the host.
> > If it adds a revision to libvirt side to get a port number from the information that acquired from xend,
> > the acquisition of a port number will be easy.
> > 
> > > this is a very small niche usecase
> > I do not think so. and I think that there is a person to need surely.
> > Because, I think that it can perform the prevention / maintenance
> > by the pair of guest and port-number are managed.
> > For example, The person who thinks about maintenance for the port which opened out
> > had better be a fixed port number.
> > If it does't know whether it has already opened or it will open out from now on,
> > it will become difficult to deal with possibility of attack to an opening port.
> > Therefore, 
> > the user who wants to open only a specific port for a firewall needs to fixed port number.
> > And, even if it can get a dynamic port from remote connection in the future,
> > he needs a fixed port number at the time of remote connection too,
> > because he wants to connection with only a specific port.
> 
> There's two possibilities to consider:
> 
>   a. The admin of the Dom0 permanently opens up a range of ports (eg 5900->5920) to allow
>      upto 20 vms to have their console accessed at any time. In this case, whether you
>      use fixed or dynamic ports per VM, you still need 20 ports open, to run 20 consoles.
> 
>   b. The admin of the Dom0 only opens  specific ports for short periods of time. In this
>      case the admin will have to lookup what port corresponds to a VM, so it doesn't matter
>      whether we're using  fixed or dynamic ports, the admin still has same amount of work
>      to lookup a port.
> 
> So, I still don't see that using fixed ports in virt-manager has any benefit for the
> administration POV.
> 
> Neither of these two options are entirely satisfactory though - it would be desirable
> to only open up a port when explicitly needed, and not require the admin to do any
> work. One might even suggest that libvirt should have some form of API to let the
> remote user request access to the cosnole - authenticated of course
> 
> 
>     virDomainAllowConsole(virDomainPtr, const char *ipaddr);
>     virDomainDisallowConsole(virDomainPtr, const char *ipaddr);
> 
> Calling either of these functions would add neccessary iptables rule to allow
> access to the console for that particular domain, from the specified ip address.
> When the virConnectPtr object was closed, then any rules would also automatically
> be removed.
> 
> This would allow virt-manager to securely request access to the console without
> needing permanent iptables rules.
> 
> These's probably quite a bit more to think about wrt to iptables, consoles
> and seecure authentication. In the very near future libvirt will have the
> support for remote management merged and we'll be in a position to experiment
> with these ideas for real. So I don't think we want to add support for fixed
> port numbers in the virt-manager wizard until we've tried out some of these
> ideas.
> 
> Regards,
> Dan.
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