why I'm using Ubuntu instead of Fedora ATM

[Luis Villa]

On 1/3/07, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Luis Villa wrote:
> > On 1/3/07, Michael Tiemann <tiemann at redhat.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 21:10 +1100, Rob Garth wrote:
> >> > I am not part of the Fedora Project and so I guees my opinion is
> >> > fairly meaningless but on the LTS support stuff. FC6 is the upstream
> >> > of RHEL5.
> >>
> >> ...and so much more.  It is not *just* the upstream of Red Hat's
> >> commercial products.
> >
> > Sure, but that is still the primary motivation for most of the hours
> > and money that goes into Fedora. To pretend that that is just one goal
> > among many makes Fedora look dishonest. To be sure, it is admirable
> > (and I think admired) to say that the long-term goal is for RHEL to be
> > just one consumer among many. But that isn't the reality on the ground
> > right now, and to deny that (as many Fedora-affiliated people have
> > tried to do from time to time) is silly.
>
> It's not. Think OLPC for example. There is also stuff out there like
> Sony play stations, Cell processors etc. It already is being used as a
> base for variety of stuff out there.

<sigh>

This is exactly the kind of claim that I'm talking about- it makes
Fedora look delusionally optimistic at best and deceptive at worst.
Every time Fedora people say things like this, the rest of the world
*thinks less of Fedora.*

Compare and contrast: RH is probably the kernel's biggest contributor
(maybe IBM), but if either RH or IBM went away tomorrow, there would
still be a ton of paid kernel developers and a fair number of very
deeply skilled volunteers. If RH went away tomorrow, how many paid
Fedora developers would there be? How many volunteers would be able to
spin a new release? That is the difference between where you are,
where you sometimes claim to be, and where you want to be some day.

Do OLPC and various Cell-based things consume and even contribute to
Fedora? Absolutely. If RHEL went away tomorrow, could those projects
support Fedora? No way in hell, as far as I can see as an outsider.
Pretending otherwise is silly. Admit that RHEL is the driving force
behind Fedora right now, state that it is a goal that RHEL be just one
of many, and work in that direction.  But don't pretend it is
otherwise right now- it makes you look bad.

Luis