website mockups, what is fedora?
Ben Boeckel
mathstuf at gmail.com
Sat Aug 22 01:07:09 UTC 2009
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--Ben
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From: Ben Boeckel <MathStuf at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: website mockups, what is fedora?
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:07:27 -0400
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Rex Dieter wrote:
> OK, I get the idea behind all of this, really I do. Much of
it is
> great, but let me share what's been nagging at the back of my
mind for
> some time. It's just been hard to put into words, so I'll try
my best here.
>
> Let's get back to the question: What is Fedora?
>
> I thought a general consensus was something akin to: a solid
flexible
> base distro technology that can be used for many different
purposes
>
> Then, look at the new website mockups.
>
> (perceived) Answer: Fedora is the fedora-desktop spin
>
> The KDE SIG, developers and users alike, for better or worse,
draw this
> natural conclusion. It's a perceived step back from the
status quo,
> where KDE is mentioned on the main download page anyway. We
feel that
> the main download page mockups don't adequately reflect the
scope of the
> Fedora project (i.e. its developer and user community) and
that it would
> be beneficial for Fedora to properly advertise that scope.
>
> Especially for the classes of users identified as:
> People who are somewhat computer savvy, but may be new to
Fedora and/or
> Linux and FOSS in general
> or
> People who don't know where to find anything other than the
default
> offering (i.e., is there something else available?)
> These folks likely want to know more about the project scope,
and
> (over)simplification is missing the opportunity to inform and
educate them.
>
>
> -- Rex
I've read this thread and instead of micromanaging threaded
replies, I'll just post my thoughts here.
I think that what Fedora needs to have is a separation of the
current spins into Editions and Spins. Editions would be the the
general-use spins, such as GNOME, KDE, LXDE, and XFCE. Spins
would be a collection of applications meant for a single
purpose, such as Astronomy, Education, and FEL.
In order to explain this, I have to give what I think Fedora is.
I offer that it is an experience. For developers, the experience
of working with other dedicated individuals working together to
provide a satisfying computing environment, the Fedora
experience for users. I have learned much since I first started
using Fedora with FC6, but my work with the KDE SIG for Fedora
has been the largest chunk of that since I started a year ago.
Working together to help users who need help, patch testing,
getting upstream aware of bugs, and more. *That* is what Fedora
should strive for. For users, Fedora should be a way of enjoying
your time with a computer. Whether it be as you check your
email, keep up with fads and memes on the Internet, package
software, or develop software, Fedora should be there to make it
enjoyable, or at least painfree.
In order to be considered an Edition, the team would work to
provide a complete Fedora experience. This includes
documentation, a testing team, support, timely bugfixes, and
possibly a critical path-like QA process. Spins would be derived
from Editions and be geared towards a specific use-case (as they
are today).
This separation should help to fix the problems with the mockups
of the download pages. The mockups look nice, but they are a
step in the wrong direction. Some have argued that more users
means more contributors, but I see this as naïve. I think that
instead there are a certain number of developers (whether
through potential or already realized) and that attracting these
people should be our goal. So I think the actual relationship
commonly given is that more users are just more chances for
getting a contributor at random. There are other ways to raise
the chances such as piqing interest in a project enough to get
the user involved. By hiding what Fedora has to offer, we lower
the chances that what we showcase will inspire the user enough
to become a developer. It may take a trip to OpenSuSE or *buntu
to realize that, but by then they are not contributing to
Fedora.
We *should* make the transition from the dominant operating
systems today as painless as possible. This does mean that we
should offer defaults. But not at the expense of putting other
alternatives behind a door. We should take cues from OpenSuSE
which offers a variety of desktop environments without hiding
the non-default ones.
Pre-empting the argument that this choice overwhelms users, I
argue that these users are the ones who would ask for help in
installing Fedora anyways. Linux is spread to people through
having friends and family who install Linux for others. These
are the ones who make the decision about the desktop environment
used and what's on the front page is probably going to do little
to change their decision.
Assuming that those who go to install Fedora who do not have
such help, I think there are bigger barriers than the desktop
environment choice. Do they know how to burn and ISO to a disc
(on Windows, this is still something that I seem to always be
scrounging for apps to do and am never satisfied; never tried
with a Mac)? Do they know if they even have a CD/DVD burner?
What if their boot order is wrong? How to partition a drive so
that Windows is preserved just-in-case? How to get Windows back
if Fedora is not for them (removing GRUB and getting back the
Windows bootloader requires its rescue disc last I checked)? If
this user can get through this, then they've probably researched
what the desktops environments are while waiting for Windows to
resize its partitions. Assuming they know that they exist.
So, I think that instead of arguing over the current design, we
focus on what is causing these problems and separate out the
things that are not "just" spins and call them Editions. The
complete Edition split will probably have to wait until F13, but
the website design differences can be made for F12. Thoughts?
- --Ben
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