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Re: Proposal for ML conduct



If you can't tell the difference between being a free man and being an
asshole, a community may not be the right place for you. Or at least,
it probably shouldn't be.

Or to put it another way: The Fedora community exists to work together
towards some common goals. Sometimes, in the name of reaching those
goals, you have to be polite and adult towards others so that you can
work efficiently and constructively with those other people even when
you disagree with them, and work with them in the future after you
have stopped disagreeing. This use of words like 'freedom' and
'oppression' suggests to me that some people think their highest
reason for being here is about them. It's not about you, it's about
working together to build something bigger and better than you. And if
you can't play nicely with others in the name of those bigger and
better things, or don't understand why sometimes you have to play nice
in order to get to those bigger and better things, then maybe this
isn't the right place for you.

I'd note that while Seth's point about you not having any 'rights' to
be 'free' on fedora's infrastructure is technically correct, I think
it's beside the point. If you feel that those 'rights' are really
important to you, then whether or not you technically have those
rights is less important than the fact that you may not understand the
entire point of coming together as a community to create and build
software. It's like the right to set someone's house on fire- whether
or not you have the legal right to set the house on fire, the fact
that you're even talking about it suggests that you're missing the
point.

Luis

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Lyos Gemini Norezel  wrote:

> Mike McGrath wrote:

>

>

>

> Opression sucks.

> Censorship sucks.

> Board members spending their time on jerk patrol sucks.

>

> I know I'm pointing out problems and not solutions, I apologize for that.

>

>

>

> -Mike

>

>

> I agree with Mike, and I want to make my own stance on this issue very

> clear.

>

> I have something of a gift... I am able to communicate quickly and

> effectively on all levels of discourse.

>

> >From the severely mentally retarded, to the most intelligent scientists...

> I can communicate at their level of discourse, using only the words they'll

> understand.

>

> The consequence of this 'gift', is a severe aversion to words and phrases

> meant to "beat around the bush", ie., hint at the proper word, wherein such

> words might be offensive.

> (Another consequence of such a gift, is an aversion to the 'willfully

> ignorant'... ie., those who can learn but refuse to. I find this group

> offensive regardless of their intelligence/lack thereof)

>

> Hence, when talking to the average 'Joe Idiot', cursing is not only

> commonplace, but demanded for quick and effective communication.

>

> I will not censor myself/limit my ability to communicate to suit the P.C.

> pussies.

> Those who take offence to this can kiss my ass.

>

> I do not bow to oppression or censorship.

>

> I am a free man today, I will remain free at all costs.

>

> Lyos Gemini Norezel

>

>

>

> "You see, if religious values are to trump everything in this world as they,

> currently, seem to be doing...

> well then, I claim free speech as my religion.

>

> Yes, I'll have a slice of that pie too, thank you. Along with all the other

> attendant rights and privileges, of course.

>

> Because I can assure you that I venerate free speech as highly anybody on

> this planet venerates their god or

> their scripture or their prophet, and any attempt to suppress free speech is

> deeply insulting and grossly offensive

> to me on a personal level; I feel violated to the very core of my being

> which seriously hurts my feelings.

>

> Whenever I hear free speech being compromised or restricted, or even heavily

> criticized, I take that as a grave

> personal affront and as a grotesquely insensitive attack on my most

> cherished values.

>

> Freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of identity... this is my

> holy trinity.

>

> Each one an intrinsic aspect of my God... Freedom, the holiest of holies.

> Yes it bloody well is, it is absolutely sacred and inviolable beyond any

> negotiation or compromise now and forever... Amen.

>

> Sorry to be so unreasonable about it, but you know how it is with religion."

> -- Pat Condell ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bzTA_D5NpU )

>

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