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Re: "What is the Fedora Project?"

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Apparently we were able to achieve both the latest and stability
several releases ago, though?

On 10/15/2009 11:04 AM, Seth Vidal wrote:
Not really.

I have a few explanations for this:

Seth, I understand your argument, and I do understand visioning Fedora to be a proving ground for leading technology. However, I don't believe 'leading-edge' is mutually exclusive with 'usable.' There's a spectrum within leading-edge where it's too unstable to be usable v. leading edge at just the right sweet spot / pace that it's still functional. Couldn't we aim for the latter?

What's the point of being leading-edge if it's so hard to use that nobody can actually check it out, learn from it, appreciate it? It's like a shopkeeper opening up a shop with amazing unique products, but keeping erratic and unposted hours, yet somehow expecting to have happy loyal customers and to make a profit. She'll have a limited population of extremely loyal customers, but feel frustrated that she seems unable to expand. Is that where Fedora is today?

I have a bachelor's degree in computer science, a master's degree in human-computer interaction, and I have been using Linux since I was in high school. I love technology - many women are addicted to shoe-shopping, but I'm instead addicted to shopping new electronic gadgets. Software freedom is essentially my religion, and I've reserved a big chunk of my heart and soul for Fedora.

Yet I am NOT happy to live with the scenario described in the postscript below. If *I* have a hard time dealing with it, how do we expect people who aren't total Fedora groupies and religious about free software to deal?

Is Fedora truly not for me?



p.s. I use Fedora 11, not rawhide. While I was typing this email, my battery reached 3% capacity and gnome-power-manager prompted me to plug in my AC adapter. Instead of charging the battery, which certainly had enough juice for me to continue on (10 unplugged minutes left), plugging in the AC adapter triggered the machine to go into suspend. I was interrupted for 5+ blood-rising minutes while I waited for the machine to go into suspend, waited for it to settle, then hit a key to prompt it to come back. Then I had to attempt 6 or 7 times to get the fingerprint reader to unlock the screensaver dialog because GNOME screensaver doesn't let me type in my password with fingerprint enabled. I then had to re-connect my network, type in my keyring password, and re-connect to my VPN. Finally I was able to get back to this email.

Note this is F11, and F11 is supposed to be a stable Fedora release. If my machine didn't play well with suspend (it occasionally crashes while suspending and never comes back), I would have lost all of my open work on this machine just now.

This is maybe the 10th time this suspend scenario has happened to me with gnome-power-manager in the past month or so. I've lost quite a bit of work due to it. What can I do? I am powerless except to train myself to always keep my laptop plugged in (not great for my battery), and when I can't and my power runs low, I must drop everything I am doing, save ALL of my work, shut the computer down, plug it in, and then turn it back on.

I don't necessarily think we need to have everything perfect and stable. But we don't want to abuse people, making them feel completely powerless over their computer. I think it would be worth brainstorming ways we can empower our users to deal with these types of problems.

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