[Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee Election

Francesco Ugolini fugolini at fedoraproject.org
Tue Nov 20 17:33:28 UTC 2007


ops. we haven't to be closed mind (sorry for the mistake)

2007/11/20, Francesco Ugolini <fugolini at fedoraproject.org>:
>
> Please, before propose candidates we must define the time of election, i
> know you are really interest in changing FAmSCo but now we are talking about
> something different.
>
> I want also (sorry if i'm offtopic) give my opinion of FAmSCo. I think
> it's undemocratic to divide FAmSCo as you proposed, because it goes against
> the idea behind FAmSCo: we have to be liasons between all ambassadors.
>
> Yes, you may criticize how famsco have worked in the past, you may say
> "What do you have for me?", probably you find more useful ask Rodrigo for
> materials (etc...) instead of me or, at the same time, Italian Ambassadors
> find more useful ask me for material than him: it's just a point of view,
> but we have to be closed mind we have to go forward thinking Fedora
> Ambassador Project like a global project and people must be represented in
> such way.
>
> FAmSCo is here to satisfy each person who need help in the project. A
> different solution for the problem was proposed by European Ambassadors, in
> fact, they have the genius idea to create a Regional Leader (like European
> Leader, America Latina Leader, Asia Leader, etc...), a person who can manage
> the interests of his region, helping  people with events, giving them swags
> etc... . Famsco will plan a global strategy, helping coordinating local
> activities, talking with Local leaders etc...
>
> At the end, give me the freedom to say this thing:
>
>  FAmSCo has not a structural problem (this one is the most democratic
> structure you could have), the only problem could be the people, but people
> are elected by all of us, Ambassadors, who live everywhere in the world,
> people, who daily help the project with our words and our works: We
> (Ambassadors) are the people who have the important role to review the
> candidates and vote for them, if we trust completely in them. I think this
> is the most important thing to remember.
>
> Best regards
>
> Francesco Ugolini
>
>
> 2007/11/20, Pablo Barrera <pablo.barrera at proyectofedora.org>:
> >
> > Hi all
> > Thanks for feedback. Have differents ideas, is not a downgrade. Now we
> > have more than idea for the same objetive.
> >
> >
> > > I typo'ed this sentence.  That should have been "...and should *not*
> > > be a hurdle in and of itself".
> > >
> > ok
> >
> >
> > > I think the Steering Committee can provide a larger role than just a
> > > point of contact for asking for CDs or submitting budget requests to
> > > the Board.  The items you list - assisting with strategy, forecasting,
> > > etc are all things they could help provide assistance with.  Perhaps
> > > that is just accumulating information from various areas and piecing
> > > it together.
> > >
> >
> > Yes it is. If you have a FAMSCO representan in your local area, is more
> > easy to get stuff.
> >
> >
> > > The CLA is required for Ambassador group membership.  I think most
> > > will agree that process can be cumbersome, you even mentioned it in
> > > one of your earlier emails - for non-technical people that might be
> > > able to bring a wonderful skill set to the table that process can pose
> >
> > > as a barrier.  If the CLA cannot be removed, then we should make sure
> > > those steps are laid out as simple as possible.  And if someone has
> > > trouble with that portion, make help easy to find.
> > >
> > Exactly. i.e when u become ambassador must move to a lot of wiki pages
> > to understand everything....this is so burocratic. One sheet process
> > could be useful.
> >
> >
> > > I agree with you here as well.  FAMSCO needs to be active in the
> > > project in order for it help meet the needs of Ambassadors.
> > > Non-responses from FAMSCO members makes it difficult for new members
> > > and existing ambassadors to get things done.  That's why I think this
> > > election period is more of an opportunity to change that.
> >
> > yes of course. No more Fedora Legs of Arms "a bit under the radar" ....
> >
> > > I don't see the Steering Committee as managers.  I see their role as
> > > one of facilitators.  Much for the reasons you have cited.
> > > Ambassadors in each country know their needs better than the Steering
> > > Committee.
> > >
> > resources administration are management. They are not our bosses, but
> > they manage resources ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Agreed.  Mine were just some examples thrown out into the discussion.
> > > The scope is much larger than simply 24/7 availability.
> > >
> >
> > yes probably, has relationship with availability of suporters...
> >
> >
> >
> > > Excellent list!  These are all things I think the Steering Committee
> > > should be considering and helping with moving toward.  Let's use this
> > > election to move things that direction.
> > >
> >
> > Yes, thats why i will promote myself from my wiki page as new FAMSCO
> > member. And if ive voted by other ambassadors i will work with this
> > list. Next FAMSCO period must make a disruption process to move to
> > another direction.Including more help to promote Africa rising of Fedora
> > and more Latinamerican participation and the modification of chairs to 7
> > to 20 and much more...
> >
> >
> > > I think it is a great discussion.  The bouncing of ideas back and
> > > forth and putting them out on the table is very useful.  Now we need
> > > to do something about it.  I think you and I are both on same page as
> > > to what we would like to see.  Email just makes it difficult to see
> > > that occasionally.
> > >
> >
> > yes is true. Time to work so...
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> > Pablo Barrera
> >
> >
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