R: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings

Tue Oct 30 17:03:47 UTC 2007

Hi!

Are there similar projects like the Fedora Ambassadors in other
distributions? (OpenSuse, Ubuntu...)
How do they handle the communication?
Maybe we should take a look how things are done there!

Greetings,
Claus

On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 11:46 -0400, francescougolini at aol.it wrote:
> First of all i never proposed to fire people (i hope someone has
> understood this thing) and it wouldn't a proposal but a topic to start
> a serious discussion over the future of the project. I don't know
> where you have read the word "fire", "trown out" etc.... but as you
> know i want to help people not to create problems and frustrations or
> to force people doing something:  I never thought to remove people
> from the project.   
> 
> 
> And, please, stop this past (closed) discussion (see the Thomas
> Chung's Message to M-L for more information).
I am happy to do so!
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I think the IRC weekly meetings are one of the place you can
> communicate with Ambassadors, but there are a lot of other tools like
> M-L and  Ambassadors' EMAIL (in many ambassadors' wikis).
> 
> 
> As happened for the last Italian Linux Day many contributors, that
> weren't ambassadors, ask me for CDs. DVDs and similar stuffs, and
> personally i've tried to complete all the request.
> 
> 
> I f you need help you may contact one of you country's ambassador
> asking him to help you not only asking him materials but what you
> want. At the end we are here to do those things.
>  
> 
> 
> Hoping i've answered (completely) to your questions and staying
> avaiable for any other ones
> 
> 
> Francesco Ugolini
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Messaggio originario-----
> Da: Claus Reheis <polytropolis at gmail.com>
> A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
> Inviati: Mar 30 Ott 2007 14:21
> Oggetto: Re: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings
> 
> Dear Francesco Ugolini!
> 
> In the year 2006 was a small Linux Day in Tirol/Austria!
> Because I am am big fan of the Fedora distribution and the lack of
> any Fedora presence on that event, I thought about doing some
> advertisement for the Fedora Project!
> There was no way to get some nice Fedora stuff, without joining the
> Fedora Ambassador Project!
> So I did that and I do not regret it.
> 
> 
> But the meetings are at times, very hard for me to attend!
> I work in a hotel and at (14:00 UTC) 16:00 I have to work all the time.
> Sure I have a day off, but that day changes every season.
> The meetings at (22:00 UTC) 0:00 are very late, especially when you have
> to get up early...
> 
> I am sure there are also other people in my situation!
> We have our lives, our obligations, our work and our families!
> So why do we not think about a way to communicate where people can
> attend when and if they want?
> A Ambassador forum where we communicate via threads independent from
> time,location and situation!
> 
> If there are IRC meetings every month, and the meetings are hold on
> times I can attend, I will attend. 
> 
> And your proposal in the past to fire people from the Ambassador
> project, is imho just unconscionable.
> 
> There are people like me, not involved in IT, wo have to work for their
> life, their family, attend their friends and little rest of the time 
> to their hobbies!Maybe one of this hobby is Linux/Fedora.
> So if they advertise Fedora to everyone who is interested in Linux,
>  talk about it and even go to local events and represent the Fedora
> Project, imho that is enought to be an ambassador!
> 
> I am one of this kind and if you wish to fire someone, start with me.
> 
> Claus Reheis
> 
> On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 06:09 -0400, francescougolini at aol.it wrote:
> > Nobody was trow out: we had a discussion and people said clearly they 
> > disagree completely with this proposal.
> > 
> > So i think it couldn't really help the project trying to speculate 
> > using obsolete arguments: we have just to do what you want (freely) to 
> > do.
> > 
> > Yes, yo may disagree with my idea, but i'm not an imperor (i'm an 
> > ambassador like you), i've just prosed some (costructive) discussions 
> > and, as you have seen, a lot of people join those ones and take their 
> > position (and they won).
> > 
> > Another point. We don't want to make comparison between ambassadors, 
> > countries etc...: this isn't the right place and we know each person 
> > has different possibilities.
> > 
> > So, I hope you will think about those words.
> > 
> > We haven't fire anybody, we don't want to give a prize for the most 
> > active ambassadors' Country but we want people who are not angried, 
> > unsatisfied or just disappointed.
> > 
> > Best regards
> > 
> > Francesco Ugolini
> > 
> > 
> > -----Messaggio originario-----
> > Da: Robert 'Bob' Jensen <marketing-list at fedoralinks.org>
> > A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
> > Inviati: Lun 29 Ott 2007 18:25
> > Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Fabian Affolter wrote: 
> > 
> > > Hi all, 
> > 
> > >
> > > It's a long time ago...exactly during the presentation during the FAD 
> > at 
> > 
> > > Berlin I showed a slide (Page 7) [1].  This slide contains an 
> > overview 
> > 
> > > of some weekly meetings.  After a short discussion about why are 
> > there 
> > 
> > > always a lot of European ambassadors at both time (FYI 22:00 UTC is 
> > 
> > > midnight in western europe).  Someone suggested to split the 
> > meetings. 
> > 
> > > An European meeting at a pleasant moment...but now we can't split due 
> > to 
> > 
> > > lack of attendance. 
> > 
> > >
> > > Since LinuxTag there were 18 meetings. 14 were canceled! 
> > 
> > >
> > > Do we still need weekly meetings?  Is it an overkill?  Is it just a 
> > 
> > > waste of time?  Today for me it was just wasting time.  Three people 
> > 
> > > showed up. 
> > 
> > >
> > > Are the reasons... 
> > 
> > >
> > > - I don't care what the other ambassadors do. 
> > 
> > > - We have nothing to discuss.  I don't know what to tell. 
> > 
> > > - South America is far away, I'm not interested in stuff from there. 
> > 
> > > - I have other stuff to do and can't take 30 min off. 
> > 
> > > - I live in the wrong time zone. 
> > 
> > >
> > > I guess that there is no more any need for exchanging information 
> > 
> > > between the ambassadors about events and how stuff can be done 
> > because 
> > 
> > > everybody have enough experience to handle it. 
> > 
> > >
> > > On the Join page [2] of the Ambassadors Project... 
> > 
> > >
> > > Step 1.  Participate in weekly meetings 
> > 
> > >
> > > Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove that step.  No meeting, no 
> > 
> > > possibility for a participation...FAMSco, this could be a topic for 
> > your 
> > 
> > > next meeting. For your half-yearly meeting ;-) 
> > 
> > >
> > > Just my thoughts... 
> > 
> > >
> > > Regards, 
> > 
> > >
> > > Fabian 
> > 
> > >
> > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007 
> > 
> > > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join 
> > 
> > >
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> >  
> > 
> > Personally I quit giving a crap about the ambassadors project and
> > meetings when there was talk about throwing people out, creating a good
> > ole boys club.  As it appears this happened anyhow, only people were 
> > not
> > thrown out they were just alienated.  There are no events in my area of
> > the US and quite honestly I do not have the resources to create one or
> > travel more than an hour by car to get to one.  The heavy activity of
> > European Ambassadors does not help many of us in the US and perhaps
> > other parts of the world because of cultural differences.  It seams 
> > that
> > the EU Ambassadors have no trouble traveling and taking time off of 
> > work
> > to do something for the project, I on the other hand have a family to
> > feed and a business to take care of. 
> >  
> > 
> > Robert 'Bob' Jensen 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
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