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[Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting APAC - IRC Log 2008-04-19
- From: Fabian Affolter <fab fedoraproject org>
- To: "fedora-ambassadors-list redhat com" <fedora-ambassadors-list redhat com>
- Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting APAC - IRC Log 2008-04-19
- Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:45:55 +0200
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<susmit> your wiki names please.
<susmit> please follow the protocol
<susmit> agenda is here
<susmit> anyone else here?
<susmit> First agenda Freemedia
<techbugs> Hi all SiddharthUpmanyu here.. For the region we are very
much lacking in the freemedia distribution due to lack of
<techbugs> now i have one change in the pattern which we ship DVDs which
can help in improving situation
<susmit> techbugs, what pattern do you suggest?
<techbugs> we can have a meeting before every months opening and check
with locations of fedora ambassadors ... when we get a request from the
same location we forward the request to the abmassador in that place
<techbugs> the ambassador can choose to contact the request owners and
ask them to get a blank media and get it burned directly
<techbugs> this can work because we have major requests coming from very
<techbugs> like 800+ pending from FreeMedia India since last yesr whe
have 400 from 5 cities
<susmit> any city wise division?
<techbugs> Chennai(100+) Bangalore (150+) Pune(60+) Delhi (60+) Colcata
<techbugs> a few more in the range of 40-50
<susmit> hanthana, if techbugs finished
<hanthana> this is ok for India, but in Sri Lanka I'm handling all, even
out of the FreeMedia list
<hanthana> coz, I can't say NO for them
<hanthana> most of them from Academia
<susmit> You said about connecting all them to backbone
<susmit> so that my lower the requests
<heherson> how is the backbone to be setup?
<susmit> backbone is generally existing...may be some isp's or gov's
<susmit> how about users sending blank media to ambassadors? we take up
<hanthana> its not good, with comparing to Ubuntu
<hanthana> there are not asking a blank DVD or a single CD
<hanthana> dude, this is a kind of competetion
<techbugs> ubuntu follows very different path.. it is heavily funded by
<susmit> techbugs +1
<techbugs> we are not in any comparision with ububtu
<hanthana> why RH can't funding for Fedora
* nim-nim (n=nim-nim fedora/nim-nim) has joined #fedora-meeting
<hanthana> I mean -- for the distribution
<susmit> any RH representative here? :)
<hanthana> at least for Developping countries
<hanthana> I can see few RH employees
<hanthana> but not sure about managers ;)
<KevinVerma> do you mean funding for media shipping ?
<iWolf> I am *not* an RH employee, so I speak only for myself. RH does
do a lot to help support the Fedora Project, provides servers, bandwidth
and pays people to work in key pieces of the project.
<iWolf> They can only do so much, and where they can't help out it is up
to the community to help step up.
<KevinVerma> +1 iwolf
<susmit> +1, we may ask Famsco instead
<iWolf> We do have a budget for events, so Fedora can help you there.
<hanthana> as RHEL is taking feed back from the Fedora users and
<hanthana> they must fund for both media and shipping at least for
<hanthana> for example; RH - India can fund for India, Sri Lanka,
Pakistan, Nepal, etc
<KevinVerma> in developing countries we should also explore other
means than just shipping media
<susmit> well, Fedora is a community effort of which RH is a part.
<techbugs> can be a debate point but currently this kind of discussion
is out of our scope :) we can focus on what we have got...
<susmit> techbugs +1, leave RH out of discussion at this moment.
<iWolf> techbugs: +1
<omshanti> blank media and return envelop solution can be taken for the
<techbugs> and help of local ambassadors
<susmit> well, how about we provide shipping charge?
<iWolf> If you provide shipping charge for the blank media to you,
aren't you further ahead to pay for the blank media and only need to
ship it once?
<susmit> INR 10 compared to INR 30
<iWolf> ah, okay. :)
<susmit> How about we accept donations in terms of media? not money.. iWolf?
<susmit> I got a few people interested in making donations of media
<iWolf> I would think if people have media they want to give to the
cause, that would be good.
<KevinVerma> money will be easy to manage and re-dist within
<susmit> But ambassaors can not accept money
<KevinVerma> project can ?
<omshanti> they can send the postal stamp inside the return envelop
along with the black media
<susmit> project can IMO...iWolf?
<omshanti> we can request them to send postal stamp inside the return
<omshanti> and when we return them we just have to stick them
<iWolf> Fedora Project isn't set up to really accept donations. That is
one of the reasons the EMEA group setup thei own organization, so they
could work easier with cases like this.
<susmit> omshanti, is not that same ?
<omshanti> kind and money is not same
<techbugs> we can setup a fund for the reagion like EMEA and accept
inflows in it ... then distribution to ambassadors
<susmit> hanthana after techbugs finishes
<hanthana> Anuj pls read this
<hanthana> What is this FreeMedia or Stamp Media.. :(
<susmit> I meant techbugs +1
<heherson> +1 techbugs
<hanthana> techbugs, +1
<rahmanangel> +1 techbugs
<techbugs> any suggestions regarding hoto
<iWolf> The local laws for your region will control how you would setup
something similar to EMEA. That will be different. I am sure the EMEA
folks could offer some basic advice and things to take into consideration.
<iWolf> Also, techbugs said it best earlier, for now - work with what
<iWolf> You guys are doing great by starting your meetings up and making
those first steps to getting organized.
<susmit> lets set up a wiki page on that and work on it...
<susmit> for the time being
<susmit> lets accept as much free requests as we can...may be fixed by a
meeting at the end of a month
<susmit> rest will required to send media
<techbugs> can we have a country wise representation in todays meeting..
please state your country name.... i am asking this so that we can form
initial groups who can take responsibility for setting up teams and
coordination forcoming menths
<techbugs> India eof
<heherson> Philippines eof
<hanthana> Sri Lanka eof
<susmit> anyone else?
<susmit> So whats the decision?
<susmit> shall we go forward with media to be sent by requesting person?
<susmit> please vote
<techbugs> if we cant do it by anyother wayy (local help or contribution) +1
<rahmanangel> techbugs +1
<heherson> for now +1
<susmit> ok then we go forward with it for this month. techbugs can you
create a draft wiki page on the proposals?
<techbugs> yap sure
<susmit> next agenda
<susmit> local events
<hanthana> why don't you try to keep this as rewally free project
<techbugs> "Free as in beer" .... we just cant fund everything to make
it look like free for the end users
<susmit> exactly +1.
<susmit> what do you think is better?
<susmit> having 1200 pending requests or
<susmit> do as much as we can....
<hanthana> that why I asked to fund from RH
<susmit> well, time is running out...we may discuss more on mailing list
<susmit> next agenda please
<susmit> fedora events
<susmit> we are not having _any_ event here
<susmit> famsco have money allocated for it...but we can not take it :(
<hanthana> DO YOU going to ask DVD and stamp from all 1200 people
<hanthana> it wasn't in the request page, at that time,
<hanthana> at least for now do your own... please
<maktrix> can FAMSCO disburse funding in Bangladesh ?
<iWolf> FAmSCO has funding for events.
<maktrix> we have plenty of opportunity to participate eof
<iWolf> we have some money set aside for the APAC region. To receive
money there needs to be an event on the Fedora Events page in the wiki.
<iWolf> So, if you know of an event, someone would need to own the
event, add it to the Fedora Events page and begin planning.
<iWolf> We are handling it in quarters
<iWolf> based on RH fiscal year.
<iWolf> so for this first quarter (ends at the end of May) we are sort
of going ad hoc.
<susmit> the problem is Ambassadors go to the events, but don't ask for
support or list them.
<iWolf> To be considered for 2nd quarter the event needs to be listed on
the Fedora Events page by May 1st.
<susmit> iWolf, thanks :)
<maktrix> if an easy to request webform for event reporting and or
support asking can be setup would be fine
<iWolf> For event reporting, we cover that in the Reporting guidelines -
we want to see posts to a blog that is on Fedora Planet and an email to
the Ambassadors list. That is so we can make sure people worldwide can
see and hear about the activity.
<susmit> asking swags/money have a webpage
<susmit> but reporing have not
<iWolf> susmit: for asking for money, the event just needs and owner and
to be listed on the Fedora Events page. That is what FAmSCo uses when
we look at what events need funding.
<susmit> so why don't we make ALL events we go to as a fedora event?
<susmit> lets do it from now
<omshanti> thanks iWolf what is the procedure to receive the funds
<hanthana> iWolf, in Sri Lanka we have FOSS events in each month,
<hanthana> but more people used to be with ubntu...
<hanthana> but I'm talking about Fedora only
<hanthana> so, is it possible to fund for such an event, by Media, notes,etc
<hanthana> NOT money.. :D
<susmit> there is webform for the same
<iWolf> omshanti: when an event is listed on the Events page with an
owner we will work with you to see how much funding is available
<iWolf> Also, with the release of Fedora 9, don't forget we have limited
funding for sponsoring the first 10 release parties as announced here:
<omshanti> thanks iWolf
<susmit> thanks..I will take care of creating a easy reporting web-form.
So we don't miss any event
<hanthana> i need a answer from iWolf
<hanthana> we address nearly 50 -100 students per an event
<iWolf> hanthana: the money for events is already in the budget Fedora
<iWolf> hanthana: it isn't a case of Fedora Project accepting a donation
<hanthana> iWolf, do you have any issue, if other ppl from ubuntu,etc
<hanthana> iWolf, coz, I dont want to suck Fedora funds
<iWolf> hanthana: your events sound great, we don't mind if ubuntu is
there or not.
<iWolf> hanthana: we have had shared release parties in the past, so a
combined event is not an issue.
<hanthana> iWolf, thats why I told you the truth
<hanthana> iWolf, thanks :)
<susmit> we also need to create a event database....please list all
your regional events and timing.
<susmit> anyone willing to create a wiki page for that?
<susmit> we finish in 10 minutes.
<hanthana> susmit, can we move with existing event page?
<hanthana> do we need a separate one for APAC ?
<susmit> A page for APAC will be great
<iWolf> hanthana: there is a section for APAC on the existing Fedora
<susmit> iWold sure it is.
<hanthana> iWolf, susmit ok lets go ahead with it
<susmit> but I am talking about ALL events...so that ambassadors look at
the page and decide if they can attend that or not..
<iWolf> do remember that the budget is limited, so if APAC comes up with
100 events, we won't be able to fund all of them.
<iWolf> Here is the budget page if youhave not seen it before.
<susmit> Seen it
<hanthana> seen it
<iWolf> we can of course work with you to determine which events need
<susmit> but we have no event in any quarter and we have a lot of users
<susmit> so as we said we may discuss about what events need funding
<iWolf> susmit: agreed. we (famsco) would love to see events from the
<iWolf> don't forget, we have some release party funds too... ;)
<hanthana> we have such event in Sri Lanka :)
<hanthana> in each and every month
<susmit> why don't you list them?
<hanthana> I didn't due to mixing issue
<hanthana> now onwards I can do it
<susmit> As iWolf famsco can not support a numbers of events...but as
long as are ready to do it...do it
<rahmanangel> This month we have ubuntu release party in bangladesh for
<susmit> Why don't you arrenge for an fedora release party?
<hanthana> rahmanangel, do it dude
<susmit> maktrix why nit?
<maktrix> am not aware of it...
<maktrix> haven't heard of any
<susmit> unaware of what?
<rahmanangel> as iWolf told we have had shared release parties in the
past, we can go with them arenge a shared party
<maktrix> Ankur Bangladesh (http://ankur.org.bd/wiki/Home ) is a having
a install fest for Fedora9 next month, Can weincorporate with them and
have a release party
<susmit> Or we may have both?
<susmit> why not both?
<susmit> we finish in 5 minutes
<hanthana> If you performed well you can win
<hanthana> if F9 performed well no issue at all
<susmit> maktrix, rahmanangel?
<susmit> lets go for both
<susmit> anyone have anything more to say?
<susmit> we have some pending agenda...will discuss at later meeting.
<susmit> so thanks everyone....
<susmit> thanks iWolf
<omshanti> thank you susmit and everybody
<hanthana> susmit, mirror??
<iWolf> susmit: you're welcome. thanks for leading the meeting
<hanthana> at the moment Im working on Fedora private mirrors for accademia.
<hanthana> 01. Fedora customized mirror for the University VPN - LEARN
<hanthana> 02. Fedora mirror for the schoolnet - VPN of the schools of
the Sri Lanka
<hanthana> Moreover we are thinking on caching service too
<hanthana> after that we can move for a Public mirror
<susmit> yeah, a lot of pending issues remain
<susmit> we have to meet very soon again
<hanthana> iWolf, this is a long term plan for Fedora community
<susmit> may be next week?
<hanthana> susmit, tiker\y ;)
<susmit> pending issues
<iWolf> hanthana: that sounds like a great plan.
<iWolf> hanthana: helps start the infrastructure for distribution.
<susmit> student partners
<susmit> bulk media production
<hanthana> thanks iWolf
<susmit> so we will discuss at next meeting....
<hanthana> iWolf, I will do my best
<susmit> good night and good morning and good evening, ;)
<susmit> see you all again
<hanthana> susmit, date N time ?
<susmit> will work on mailing list
<susmit> bye everyone. Have a nice time :)
<omshanti> sya all take care
<techbugs> thanks all.. cya
<rahmanangel> Good night/morning/evening
<hanthana> iWolf, susmit omshanti maktrix rahmanangel heherson techbugs
<maktrix> valo thaken
<hanthana> have a nice day
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