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[Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting APAC - IRC Log 2008-04-19



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<susmit> your wiki names please.
<susmit> SusmitShannigrahi
<techbugs> SiddharthUpmanyu
<omshanti> GopalDas
<rahmanangel> AshiqurRahman
<maktrix> MahayAlamKhan
<kanarip> JeroenVanMeeuwen
<KevinVerma> KevinVerma
<susmit> please follow the protocol
<susmit> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol
<susmit> agenda is here
<hanthana> DanishkaNavin
<susmit> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-04-19
<heherson> HehersonPagcaliwagan
<susmit> anyone else here?
<susmit> First agenda Freemedia
<techbugs> !
<susmit> techbugs
<techbugs> Hi all SiddharthUpmanyu here.. For the region we are very much lacking in the freemedia distribution due to lack of resuorces(obvious )
<hanthana> +1
<techbugs> now i have one change in the pattern which we ship DVDs which can help in improving situation
<susmit> techbugs, what pattern do you suggest?
<techbugs> we can have a meeting before every months opening and check with locations of fedora ambassadors ... when we get a request from the same location we forward the request to the abmassador in that place <techbugs> the ambassador can choose to contact the request owners and ask them to get a blank media and get it burned directly
<rahmanangel> +1
<maktrix> +1
<techbugs> this can work because we have major requests coming from very few cities <techbugs> like 800+ pending from FreeMedia India since last yesr whe have 400 from 5 cities
<susmit> any city wise division?
<techbugs> Chennai(100+) Bangalore (150+) Pune(60+) Delhi (60+) Colcata (80+)
<susmit> nice
<hanthana> !
<techbugs> a few more in the range of 40-50
<susmit> hanthana, if techbugs finished
<hanthana> this is ok for India, but in Sri Lanka I'm handling all, even out of the FreeMedia list
<hanthana> coz, I can't say NO for them
<hanthana> most of them from Academia
<susmit> You said about connecting all them to backbone
<susmit> so that my lower the requests
<susmit> may
<heherson> !
<susmit> heherson
<heherson> how is the backbone to be setup?
<heherson> eof
<susmit> backbone is generally existing...may be some isp's or gov's
<susmit> how about users sending blank media to ambassadors? we take up shipping cost?
<hanthana> !
<susmit> hanthana
<hanthana> its not good, with comparing to Ubuntu
<hanthana> there are not asking a blank DVD or a single CD
<techbugs> !
<susmit> techbugs
<hanthana> dude, this is a kind of  competetion
<hanthana> eof
<techbugs> ubuntu follows very different path.. it is heavily funded by one man...
<susmit> techbugs +1
<hanthana> !
<techbugs> we are not in any comparision with ububtu
<techbugs> eof
<susmit> hanthana
<hanthana> why RH can't funding for Fedora
* nim-nim (n=nim-nim fedora/nim-nim) has joined #fedora-meeting
<hanthana> I mean -- for the distribution
<susmit> any RH representative here? :)
<hanthana> at least for Developping countries
<hanthana> yes
<hanthana> I can see few RH employees
<iWolf> !
<hanthana> but not sure about managers ;)
<susmit> iWolf
<KevinVerma> do you mean  funding for media shipping ?
<hanthana> !
<iWolf> I am *not* an RH employee, so I speak only for myself. RH does do a lot to help support the Fedora Project, provides servers, bandwidth and pays people to work in key pieces of the project.
<techbugs> +1
<iWolf> They can only do so much, and where they can't help out it is up to the community to help step up.
<KevinVerma> +1 iwolf
<susmit> +1, we may ask Famsco instead
<iWolf> We do have a budget for events, so Fedora can help you there.
<iWolf> eof
<susmit> hanthana
<hanthana> as RHEL is taking feed back from the Fedora users and contributors, <hanthana> they must fund for both media and shipping at least for developping countries.
<techbugs> !
<hanthana> for example; RH - India can fund for India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Nepal, etc <KevinVerma> in developing countries we should also explore other means than just shipping media
<susmit> well, Fedora is a community effort of which RH is a part.
<maktrix> +1
<susmit> techbugs
<techbugs> can be a debate point but currently this kind of discussion is out of our scope :) we can focus on what we have got...
<techbugs> eof
<susmit> techbugs +1, leave RH out of discussion at this moment.
<iWolf> techbugs: +1
<KevinVerma> +1
<omshanti> !
<susmit> omshanti
<heherson> !
<omshanti> blank media and return envelop solution can be taken for the time being
<techbugs> and help of local ambassadors
<susmit> well, how about we provide shipping charge?
<iWolf> !
<susmit> iWolf
<iWolf> If you provide shipping charge for the blank media to you, aren't you further ahead to pay for the blank media and only need to ship it once?
<iWolf> eof
<susmit> INR 10 compared to INR 30
<susmit> :)
<iWolf> ah, okay.  :)
<omshanti> !
<susmit> How about we accept donations in terms of media? not money.. iWolf?
<susmit> I got a few people interested in making donations of media
<iWolf> I would think if people have media they want to give to the cause, that would be good.
<omshanti> !
<KevinVerma> money will be easy to manage and re-dist within Ambassadors, imho
<techbugs> !
<susmit> But ambassaors can not accept money
<susmit> onshanti
<omshanti> !
<susmit> omshanti
<KevinVerma> project can ?
<omshanti> they can send the postal stamp inside the return envelop along with the black media
<KevinVerma> donations*
<susmit> project can IMO...iWolf?
<omshanti> we can request them to send postal stamp inside the return envelop
<hanthana> !
<omshanti> and when we return them we just have to stick them
<iWolf> Fedora Project isn't set up to really accept donations. That is one of the reasons the EMEA group setup thei own organization, so they could work easier with cases like this.
<susmit> omshanti, is not that same ?
<susmit> techbugs
<omshanti> kind and money is not same
<techbugs> we can setup a fund for the reagion like EMEA and accept inflows in it ... then distribution to ambassadors
<techbugs> eof
<susmit> hanthana after techbugs finishes
<hanthana> Anuj pls read this http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol
<susmit> +1
<hanthana> What is this FreeMedia or Stamp Media.. :(
<susmit> I meant techbugs +1
<hanthana> ;)
<heherson> +1 techbugs
<hanthana> eof
<hanthana> techbugs, +1
<rahmanangel> +1 techbugs
<techbugs> any suggestions regarding hoto
<techbugs> howto
<iWolf> !
<susmit> iWolf
<iWolf> The local laws for your region will control how you would setup something similar to EMEA. That will be different. I am sure the EMEA folks could offer some basic advice and things to take into consideration. <iWolf> Also, techbugs said it best earlier, for now - work with what you have. <iWolf> You guys are doing great by starting your meetings up and making those first steps to getting organized.
<iWolf> eof
<susmit> lets set up a wiki page on that and work on it...
<susmit> for the time being
<techbugs> !
<susmit> lets accept as much free requests as we can...may be fixed by a meeting at the end of a month
<iWolf> +1
<susmit> rest will required to send media
<omshanti> +1
<susmit> techbugs
<techbugs> can we have a country wise representation in todays meeting.. please state your country name.... i am asking this so that we can form initial groups who can take responsibility for setting up teams and coordination forcoming menths
<techbugs> India eof
<heherson> Philippines eof
<maktrix> Bangladesh
<susmit> India
<rahmanangel> Bangladesh
<hanthana> Sri Lanka eof
<omshanti> India
<susmit> anyone else?
<susmit> So whats the decision?
<susmit> shall we go forward with media to be sent by requesting person?
<susmit> please vote
<susmit> +1
<maktrix> +1
<hanthana> -1
<omshanti> +1
<techbugs> if we cant do it by anyother wayy (local help or contribution) +1
<rahmanangel> techbugs +1
<heherson> for now +1
<susmit> ok then we go forward with it for this month. techbugs can you create a draft wiki page on the proposals?
<techbugs> yap sure
<susmit> next agenda
<susmit> local events
<hanthana> !
<susmit> hanthana
<hanthana> why don't you try to keep this as rewally free project
<techbugs> !
<hanthana> *really
<susmit> techbugs
<techbugs> "Free as in beer" .... we just cant fund everything to make it look like free for the end users
<techbugs> eof
<susmit> exactly +1.
<susmit> hahthana
<susmit> what do you think is better?
<susmit> having 1200 pending requests or
<susmit> do as much as we can....
<hanthana> that why I asked to fund from RH
<heherson> !
<susmit> well, time is running out...we may discuss more on mailing list
<iWolf> +1
<susmit> next agenda please
<maktrix> +1
<hanthana> :P
<omshanti> +1
<susmit> fedora events
<hanthana> !
<susmit> we are not having _any_ event here
<susmit> famsco have money allocated for it...but we can not take it :(
<susmit> hanthana
<hanthana> DO YOU going to ask DVD and stamp from all 1200 people
<hanthana> it wasn't in the request page, at that time,
<hanthana> at least for now do your own... please
<maktrix> !
<susmit> maktrix
<maktrix> can FAMSCO disburse funding in Bangladesh ?
<susmit> sure...iWolf?
<iWolf> !
<susmit> iWolf
<iWolf> FAmSCO has funding for events.
<maktrix> we have plenty of opportunity to participate eof
<iWolf> we have some money set aside for the APAC region. To receive money there needs to be an event on the Fedora Events page in the wiki. <iWolf> So, if you know of an event, someone would need to own the event, add it to the Fedora Events page and begin planning.
<maktrix> !
<iWolf> We are handling it in quarters
<iWolf> based on RH fiscal year.
<hanthana> !
<iWolf> so for this first quarter (ends at the end of May) we are sort of going ad hoc. <susmit> the problem is Ambassadors go to the events, but don't ask for support or list them.
<maktrix> !
<susmit> maktrix
<iWolf> To be considered for 2nd quarter the event needs to be listed on the Fedora Events page by May 1st.
<iWolf> eof
<susmit> iWolf, thanks :)
<maktrix> if an easy to request webform for event reporting and or support asking can be setup would be fine
<maktrix> eof
<iWolf> !
<susmit> iWolf
<iWolf> For event reporting, we cover that in the Reporting guidelines - we want to see posts to a blog that is on Fedora Planet and an email to the Ambassadors list. That is so we can make sure people worldwide can see and hear about the activity.
<iWolf> eof
<susmit> asking swags/money have a webpage
<iWolf> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReportingGuidelines
<susmit> but reporing have not
<iWolf> susmit: for asking for money, the event just needs and owner and to be listed on the Fedora Events page. That is what FAmSCo uses when we look at what events need funding.
<susmit> Exactly
<omshanti> !
<susmit> so why don't we make ALL events we go to as a fedora event?
<susmit> lets do it from now
<hanthana> !
<susmit> onshanti
<susmit> omshanti
<omshanti> thanks iWolf what is the procedure to receive the funds
<susmit> hanthana
<hanthana> iWolf,  in Sri Lanka we have FOSS events in each month,
<hanthana> but more people used to be with ubntu...
<hanthana> but I'm talking about Fedora only
<hanthana> so, is it possible to fund for such an event, by Media, notes,etc
<hanthana> NOT money.. :D
<hanthana> eof
<susmit> sure
<susmit> there is webform for the same
<iWolf> !
<susmit> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/GetStuff
<susmit> iWolf
<iWolf> omshanti: when an event is listed on the Events page with an owner we will work with you to see how much funding is available <iWolf> Also, with the release of Fedora 9, don't forget we have limited funding for sponsoring the first 10 release parties as announced here: <iWolf> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-April/msg00154.html
<iWolf> eof
<omshanti> thanks iWolf
<hanthana> !
<susmit> thanks..I will take care of creating a easy reporting web-form. So we don't miss any event
<susmit> hanthana
<hanthana> i need a answer from iWolf
<hanthana> we address nearly 50 -100 students per an event
<iWolf> hanthana: the money for events is already in the budget Fedora Project has. <iWolf> hanthana: it isn't a case of Fedora Project accepting a donation necessarily.
<hanthana> iWolf, do you have any issue, if other ppl from ubuntu,etc
<hanthana> iWolf, coz, I dont want to suck Fedora funds
<iWolf> hanthana: your events sound great, we don't mind if ubuntu is there or not. <iWolf> hanthana: we have had shared release parties in the past, so a combined event is not an issue.
<hanthana> iWolf, thats why I told you the truth
<hanthana> iWolf, thanks :)
<susmit> next
<susmit> ´╗┐we also need to create a event database....please list all your regional events and timing.
<susmit> anyone willing to create a wiki page for that?
<susmit> we finish in 10 minutes.
<hanthana> susmit, can we move with existing event page?
<hanthana> do we need a separate one for APAC ?
<susmit> A page for APAC will be great
<iWolf> hanthana: there is a section for APAC on the existing Fedora Event page.
<susmit> iWold sure it is.
<hanthana> iWolf, susmit ok lets go ahead with it
<hanthana> :)
<iWolf> !
<susmit> but I am talking about ALL events...so that ambassadors look at the page and decide if they can attend that or not..
<susmit> iWolf
<iWolf> do remember that the budget is limited, so if APAC comes up with 100 events, we won't be able to fund all of them.
<iWolf> Here is the budget page if youhave not seen it before.
<iWolf> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents
<susmit> Seen it
<hanthana> seen it
<iWolf> we can of course work with you to determine which events need funding.
<iWolf> eof
<susmit> but we have no event in any quarter and we have a lot of users and contributors!!!
<susmit> so as we said we may discuss about what events need funding
<iWolf> susmit: agreed. we (famsco) would love to see events from the APAC region.
<hanthana> !
<susmit> hanthana
<iWolf> don't forget, we have some release party funds too... ;)
<hanthana> we have such event in Sri Lanka :)
<hanthana> in each and every month
<hanthana> eof
<susmit> why don't you list them?
<hanthana> I didn't due to mixing issue
<hanthana> now onwards I can do it
<rahmanangel> !
<susmit> As iWolf famsco can not support a numbers of events...but as long as are ready to do it...do it
<susmit> rahmanangel
<hanthana> yeah
<maktrix> !
<rahmanangel> This month we have ubuntu release party in bangladesh for first time
<susmit> Why don't you arrenge for an fedora release party?
<susmit> arrange
<hanthana> +1
<iWolf> +1
<maktrix> -1
<susmit> maktrix
<hanthana> rahmanangel, do it dude
<susmit> maktrix why nit?
<maktrix> am not aware of it...
<susmit> not?
<maktrix> haven't heard of any
<susmit> unaware of what?
<rahmanangel> as iWolf told we have had shared release parties in the past, we can go with them arenge a shared party <maktrix> Ankur Bangladesh (http://ankur.org.bd/wiki/Home ) is a having a install fest for Fedora9 next month, Can weincorporate with them and have a release party
<susmit> Or we may have both?
<susmit> why not both?
<susmit> we finish in 5 minutes
<hanthana> If you performed well you can win
<hanthana> if F9 performed well no issue at all
<susmit> maktrix, rahmanangel?
<susmit> lets go for both
<maktrix> +1
<rahmanangel> +1
<susmit> nice
<hanthana> yeah
<susmit> anyone have anything more to say?
<susmit> we have some pending agenda...will discuss at later meeting.
<susmit> noone?
<susmit> so thanks  everyone....
<susmit> thanks iWolf
<omshanti> thank you susmit and everybody
<hanthana> susmit, mirror??
<iWolf> susmit: you're welcome.  thanks for leading the meeting
<hanthana> !
<susmit> hanthana
<hanthana> at the moment Im working on Fedora private mirrors for accademia.
<hanthana> 01. Fedora customized mirror for the University VPN - LEARN
<hanthana> 02. Fedora mirror for the schoolnet - VPN of the schools of the Sri Lanka
<hanthana> Moreover we are thinking on caching service too
<hanthana> after that we can move for a Public mirror
<susmit> yeah, a lot of pending issues remain
<susmit> we have to meet very soon again
<hanthana> iWolf, this is a long term plan for Fedora community
<susmit> may be next week?
<hanthana> susmit, tiker\y ;)
<susmit> pending issues
<hanthana> tikey
<iWolf> hanthana: that sounds like a great plan.
<susmit> mirrors
<susmit> marketing
<iWolf> hanthana: helps start the infrastructure for distribution.
<susmit> student partners
<susmit> press
<susmit> bulk media production
<hanthana> thanks iWolf
<susmit> so we will discuss at next meeting....
<hanthana> iWolf, I will do my best
<hanthana> +1
<susmit> good night and good morning and good evening, ;)
<susmit> see you all again
<hanthana> susmit, date N time ?
<susmit> will work on mailing list
<hanthana> sure
<susmit> bye everyone. Have a nice time :)
<omshanti> sya all take care
<techbugs> thanks all.. cya
<rahmanangel> Good night/morning/evening
<hanthana> iWolf, susmit omshanti maktrix rahmanangel heherson techbugs Thanks guys
<maktrix> valo thaken
<hanthana> have a nice day


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