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[Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2008-11-26



(08:00:37 PM) inode0: FAmNA Roll Call
(08:00:42 PM) ***ke4qqq is here
(08:00:49 PM) ***DemonJester present
(08:00:57 PM) ***ianweller isn't here
(08:01:21 PM) inode0: hey, he was supposed to bring the cake
(08:02:16 PM) inode0: Ok, lack of quorum doesn't phase inode0
(08:02:27 PM) ke4qqq: me either
(08:02:27 PM) inode0: any announcements?
(08:02:33 PM) ke4qqq: !
(08:02:36 PM) inode0: go
(08:02:38 PM) ke4qqq: F10 was released today :)
(08:02:41 PM) DemonJester: Fedora 10 was released :)
(08:02:41 PM) ke4qqq: eof
(08:02:42 PM) inode0: oh yeah
(08:02:47 PM) DemonJester: lol
(08:03:08 PM) ***inode0 is installing F10 on mini9 right now
(08:03:25 PM) inode0: Task List Review
(08:03:53 PM) inode0: Nothing is scheduled to be reported on tonight,
I encourage others to add tasks to the list to help tracking
(08:04:17 PM) inode0: Barcamps - ke4qqq has the floor
(08:04:28 PM) ke4qqq: ok, so I'd direct your attention to:
(08:04:38 PM) ke4qqq: http://barcamp.org/#USA
(08:05:07 PM) ke4qqq: so there are a ton of barcamps coming up -
(08:05:22 PM) ke4qqq: and to date we are only going to be at one, and
I'd like that to change
(08:05:41 PM) ke4qqq: soooooo....what can we do to incite others to action?
(08:06:09 PM) inode0: don't suppose that one is in Boston is it?
(08:06:15 PM) ke4qqq: no
(08:06:23 PM) ke4qqq: it's in charlotte- fudcon doesn't count
(08:07:02 PM) inode0: oh, a bunch of those are health camps
(08:07:27 PM) ke4qqq: yeah some of them aren't applicable.....
(08:08:00 PM) ke4qqq: yet we have ambassadors in dallas and we missed
the one that's going on there today
(08:08:03 PM) inode0: I know someone is STL I can poke about that one
(08:08:18 PM) ke4qqq: harrisburg is coming up
(08:08:23 PM) ke4qqq: and we have people near there
(08:08:33 PM) DemonJester: I am working on getting to that one if possible
(08:08:38 PM) ke4qqq: ummmm
(08:08:44 PM) ke4qqq: we'd rather have you at fudcon though
(08:08:52 PM) ke4qqq: (sorry that one caveat)
(08:09:00 PM) DemonJester: oops forgot about that... ;)
(08:09:18 PM) ke4qqq: but TX and CA are full of them
(08:09:42 PM) ke4qqq: loupgaroublond just attended one in PA iirc
(08:10:20 PM) ke4qqq: but regardless lots of opportunity there, how do
we make this something people are excited about?
(08:10:53 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh perhaps we should mention money and
fame......money to sponsor the barcamp (they typically want nothing)
(08:11:19 PM) ke4qqq: for instance we are the sole sponsor of BarCamp
Charlotte, (or will be after Dec 1) and it cost us 250
(08:12:59 PM) ke4qqq: I suppose if no one else has anything then we can move on.
(08:13:05 PM) DemonJester: we need to press those ambassadors on the
ground in CA and TX and explain the importance of these to them
(08:13:11 PM) inode0: this is the sort of thing where I think a group
goal and tracking progress toward it might be good, although it won't
motivate everyone who isn't generally excited about the ambassador
program
(08:13:31 PM) ke4qqq: so whats our goal this quarter
(08:13:36 PM) ke4qqq: Dec 1 til Feb 28?
(08:13:53 PM) ke4qqq: can we do 3?
(08:14:02 PM) DemonJester: I was thinking the same number
(08:14:07 PM) DemonJester: 2 to 3
(08:14:10 PM) inode0: I have only thought about goal setting for the
group more abstractly to be honest
(08:14:37 PM) ke4qqq: lets go with three
(08:14:54 PM) inode0: If we have 50 ambassadors we should have a goal
of 50 presentations or something, X barcamps, Y universities, and so
on
(08:15:19 PM) inode0: if we have 6 ambassadors then well, we do what we can
(08:15:33 PM) ke4qqq: 6?
(08:15:38 PM) ke4qqq: where does that number come from?
(08:15:44 PM) inode0: I'm just picking numbers out of thin air
(08:15:45 PM) ke4qqq: yes, but goals are useful.
(08:16:18 PM) ***DemonJester agrees
(08:16:24 PM) inode0: the idea is to motivate a large group to
contribute a little and see it as part of the whole
(08:16:40 PM) ke4qqq: yes, but the large group doesn't exist yet
(08:16:48 PM) ke4qqq: and a barcamp is REALLY low barrier to entry
(08:16:55 PM) inode0: which is why I said if we have 6 ...
(08:17:01 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: ping
(08:17:11 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: http://barcamp.org/BeaverBarCampII
(08:18:10 PM) ke4qqq:  nm that date changed
(08:18:14 PM) ke4qqq: ok, ready to move on?
(08:18:48 PM) inode0: how about we consider setting some goals for Q3,
and try to track toward them?
(08:19:00 PM) ke4qqq: +1
(08:19:04 PM) DemonJester: +1
(08:19:05 PM) inode0: one can be get more ambassadors :)
(08:19:05 PM) ke4qqq: what goals do we want from NA
(08:19:21 PM) ke4qqq: lets make it quantifiable goals.....more is vauge
(08:19:23 PM) ke4qqq: vague
(08:19:33 PM) inode0: exactly, we want numbers
(08:19:53 PM) inode0: how many ambassadors do you think we have now?
(08:20:13 PM) inode0: Who we can actually reach out to for help?
(08:20:20 PM) ke4qqq: a dozen
(08:20:27 PM) ke4qqq: that aren't rh employees
(08:20:40 PM) inode0: Goal 1: double that number next quarter
(08:21:00 PM) ke4qqq: thank you for avoiding the word that must not be uttered
(08:21:01 PM) ke4qqq: :)
(08:21:13 PM) DemonJester: lol I was waiting for it...
(08:21:59 PM) inode0: ok, let's brainstorm out of the meeting about
this and get some concrete goals that will challenge us but that are
attainable
(08:22:29 PM) ke4qqq: I think meeting time is great for goal setting
(08:22:30 PM) inode0: Shall we move on?
(08:22:38 PM) ke4qqq: I'd rather stay here a moment if we can
(08:22:39 PM) ***DemonJester suggest doing it on the ml
(08:22:57 PM) DemonJester: that way other not able to make the
meetings can chime in
(08:22:58 PM) inode0: Can we schedule it as a topic of discussion next week?
(08:23:08 PM) ***ke4qqq defers
(08:23:08 PM) DemonJester: sure
(08:23:18 PM) inode0: we can formulate something, propose it on the list?
(08:23:26 PM) inode0: let it evolve
(08:23:59 PM) inode0: ok, I'll put that on the agenda for next week
(08:24:11 PM) inode0: Finding events - ke4qqq
(08:24:31 PM) ke4qqq: so how do we go about finding events now?
(08:25:15 PM) ***inode0 is guilty of not actively searching for them
(08:25:26 PM) DemonJester: lugs, linux mags, lists, at least that is
what I am currently doing
(08:25:31 PM) ke4qqq: so am I....but...
(08:25:44 PM) ke4qqq: lugs are great, esp for smaller events, but
really high SNR
(08:25:53 PM) ke4qqq: wait that's really low SNR
(08:26:35 PM) ke4qqq: so Debian (and I am sure ubuntu and other have
mailing lists for events
(08:26:42 PM) ke4qqq: OOo has a mailing list for events
(08:27:21 PM) ke4qqq: that'd probably be worth subscribing.
(08:27:30 PM) ke4qqq: http://lists.debian.org/debian-events-na/
(08:27:32 PM) DemonJester: I have been subscribed to Debian for awhile.
(08:28:29 PM) ke4qqq: lets think about what else we can do to find
events, I feel like we miss a ton, esp small local stuff
(08:29:52 PM) ke4qqq: I am done with that
(08:29:53 PM) DemonJester: small local stuff really ends up on the lug
lists but as mentioned low SNR
(08:30:00 PM) ke4qqq: if no one else has anything
(08:30:11 PM) DemonJester: at least here they do.
(08:30:21 PM) ke4qqq: same here
(08:30:55 PM) ***inode0 is recruiting barcamper in another channel so
slightly distracted
(08:31:02 PM) DemonJester: not sure where else to look
(08:31:05 PM) inode0: Flyover state campaign - ke4qqq
(08:31:19 PM) ke4qqq: k
(08:31:37 PM) ke4qqq: soooo there seem to be pockets of Fedora
throughout the country - and then  nothing
(08:31:59 PM) ***lcafiero finishes his exam and joins the meeting
already in progress.
(08:32:01 PM) ke4qqq: GA and TN come to mind - I am aware of no
Ambassadors or contributors at all in either of those states.
(08:32:06 PM) ke4qqq: welcome lcafiero
(08:33:04 PM) ke4qqq: soooo
(08:33:09 PM) DemonJester: so what are you proposing ke4qqq
(08:33:41 PM) ke4qqq: I talked with GDK about attacking some of these
states, esp after vwbusguys statement that he had lots of time, but
might need reimbursement.
(08:33:55 PM) ke4qqq: GDK thought that we could do the travel expenses thing
(08:34:13 PM) ke4qqq: so I'd like to pick a couple of states to start
'attacking'
(08:34:30 PM) ke4qqq: and build up a Fedora presence (not necessarily
Ambassadors)
(08:34:55 PM) ke4qqq: thoughts?
(08:35:02 PM) ke4qqq: any pet states we want to attack
(08:35:09 PM) DemonJester: could this be another goal for the quarter?
(08:35:36 PM) ke4qqq: it could be, but I'd like to know what
quantifiable measure we use to say we were successful
(08:35:42 PM) ke4qqq: showing up in three states doesn't do it for me
(08:35:51 PM) DemonJester: agrees
(08:35:57 PM) ke4qqq: neither does a number of meetings
(08:36:11 PM) ke4qqq: I hate to say number of contributors or
something like that....but....
(08:36:24 PM) ***lcafiero plans an invasion of Nevada
(08:36:40 PM) XulChris: im from nevada
(08:36:42 PM) DemonJester: if RH is footing the bill for this they
will want to see the success as well
(08:36:49 PM) lcafiero: Oh, then never mind.
(08:37:02 PM) XulChris: im not an ambassador though
(08:37:14 PM) DemonJester: you are now ;)
(08:37:17 PM) XulChris: hehe
(08:37:25 PM) DemonJester: see that was easy :)
(08:37:33 PM) lcafiero: heh
(08:37:34 PM) DemonJester: next state..
(08:37:38 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(08:37:42 PM) ***DemonJester sorry
(08:38:13 PM) DemonJester: seriously. do you have a projected number in mind?
(08:38:14 PM) lcafiero: question to ke4qqq
(08:38:16 PM) ke4qqq: ears burning?
(08:38:40 PM) lcafiero: Do we know which states are lacking in presence?
(08:38:43 PM) ke4qqq: I'd like to see us in 2 states at least....and
making concerted efforts
(08:39:06 PM) ke4qqq: I'd jokingly say anything other than NC and
MA...but it's not that bad off
(08:39:40 PM) inode0: picking a small number like 2 or 3 to try I
think makes good sense
(08:39:41 PM) ke4qqq: to my knowledge basically the entire SE
excepting VA, NC, SC
(08:40:12 PM) ***DemonJester apologizes ahead of time for my next
question as I probably should know this but
(08:40:26 PM) DemonJester: what about NE?
(08:40:41 PM) DemonJester: anyone in Maine, Vermont, etc that you know of?
(08:40:47 PM) inode0: NE has rdieter, right?
(08:40:55 PM) ke4qqq: ummm MA is pretty good, NY seems ok, PA has a
good number of folks....aside from that I don't know
(08:41:16 PM) DemonJester: so you know as much as I do then.. I dont
feel so bad now.
(08:42:12 PM) ke4qqq: hard to know what you don't know
(08:42:13 PM) inode0: NE probably didn't mean Nebraska there, did it? :)
(08:42:32 PM) DemonJester: no it was NorthEast but that is ok ;)
(08:42:32 PM) ke4qqq: plus the statistics are pretty far and few
between - you know people are there because you know them.....
(08:43:21 PM) inode0: question: can vwbusguy and whoever goes with him
find two states to test?
(08:43:26 PM) inode0: that they can manage?
(08:43:35 PM) ke4qqq: he was supposed to have states staked out already
(08:43:44 PM) ke4qqq: but I want to open it up to others as well....
(08:43:53 PM) ke4qqq: it's not a vwbusguy mission
(08:43:53 PM) inode0: how many?
(08:43:57 PM) ke4qqq: at least not alone
(08:44:08 PM) loupgaroublond: i see my name mentioned..., hi folks
(08:44:13 PM) ke4qqq: as many as will step up
(08:44:17 PM) inode0: I understand
(08:44:22 PM) ke4qqq: hi loupgaroublond we were talking about your
barcamp experience
(08:44:25 PM) loupgaroublond: ah
(08:44:34 PM) loupgaroublond: any comments? questions?
(08:44:36 PM) ke4qqq: and how we want to do more barcamps
(08:44:42 PM) loupgaroublond: ah
(08:44:44 PM) ke4qqq: yes - did you speak
(08:44:47 PM) ke4qqq: and what on
(08:44:50 PM) ke4qqq: and what was the reaction
(08:44:52 PM) loupgaroublond: give me a minute or two, and then we can
talk if you have time :)
(08:45:04 PM) DemonJester: as much as I dont like doing it, perhaps a
plea to the lists looking for unknown ambassadors in said states?
(08:45:06 PM) loupgaroublond: but in short, yes, on OpenStretMap, and
well received
(08:45:07 PM) ke4qqq: ok, no rush.
(08:45:09 PM) loupgaroublond: and i'll brb
(08:45:11 PM) inode0: however having someone work a couple states for
a while, report back, we all learn and can do it without repeating
things that aren't effective
(08:45:20 PM) inode0: that was my thinking anyway
(08:45:40 PM) ke4qqq: well the first question in my mind is how we attack
(08:46:02 PM) ke4qqq: I think it's more effective to pick out a
neighboring state and make repeated disparate forays
(08:46:14 PM) ke4qqq: than it is to say spend a week in $state
(08:46:33 PM) DemonJester: agrees ^^
(08:46:40 PM) lcafiero: +1
(08:49:47 PM) inode0: are we finished with this? any more discussion?
(08:49:51 PM) ***ke4qqq is eof on the subject unless someone has something more
(08:50:17 PM) inode0: ok, I have a couple short comments to begin the open floor
(08:50:26 PM) lcafiero: I only have two neighboring states, Nev. and
Ore., and the latter seems to be covered.
(08:50:47 PM) lcafiero: I'd be willing to go to Nev. if need be
(08:51:10 PM) inode0: 1 - FUDcon for the F12 release is hoofies up at SELF
(08:51:25 PM) inode0: timing just won't work for that
(08:51:50 PM) ***ke4qqq laughs at 'hoofies up' having never heard that before
(08:51:52 PM) inode0: we have been encouraged to still do something
(mini-FUDcon perhaps) at the event
(08:51:59 PM) loupgaroublond: and i'm back
(08:52:24 PM) inode0: 2 - FADNA @ SELF?
(08:52:36 PM) inode0: what do people think of doing that instead?
(08:52:50 PM) ke4qqq: -1 too close to when fudcon would be
(08:53:12 PM) inode0: keep in mind FUDcon will likely be 2 to 4 weeks after SELF
(08:53:33 PM) inode0: why does proximity to FUDcon matter?
(08:53:44 PM) DemonJester: when is SELF and where is FUDcon?
(08:53:55 PM) ke4qqq: proximity in time
(08:54:05 PM) ke4qqq: SELF is Jun something
(08:54:08 PM) ke4qqq: 11th?
(08:54:09 PM) inode0: SELF is June 13 - FUDcon is whenever Red Hat
says it is (no sooner than the end of June)
(08:54:32 PM) DemonJester: Boston again?
(08:54:42 PM) inode0: and wherever they say it is, we don't know
(08:55:02 PM) inode0: I get the sense it might not be in Boston
(08:55:11 PM) ***DemonJester assumes Boston. Would prefer Raliegh ;)
(08:55:32 PM) inode0: If it is left to Red Hat to make arrangements
there aren't many likely locations
(08:55:33 PM) ***ke4qqq would prefer SLC
(08:55:40 PM) ke4qqq: or Austin
(08:55:50 PM) inode0: this is a different issue
(08:56:10 PM) inode0: why does FADNA a month before FUDcon matter?
(08:56:49 PM) ke4qqq: travel, time off, time away from family
(08:56:58 PM) ke4qqq: some can do it once a month
(08:56:59 PM) loupgaroublond: cost of travel too
(08:57:07 PM) ke4qqq: some can't do it all in the space of a month
(08:57:14 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh yeah $$
(08:57:15 PM) inode0: sure, but a bunch of people are going to be at SELF anyway
(08:57:23 PM) ke4qqq: true
(08:57:39 PM) ke4qqq: but we will lose people who are already going to fudcon
(08:58:01 PM) ke4qqq: and people who might otherwise try and make
fudcon wn't....esp if self is closer
(08:58:14 PM) inode0: maybe, but the other way we lose those at SELF
who aren't going to FUDcon :)
(08:58:27 PM) ke4qqq: true
(08:58:42 PM) loupgaroublond: sounds like you need some good damned
li^W^W statistics before you can make that deciision
(08:59:02 PM) inode0: we need to get our heads wrapped around what we
want the parameters to be for organizing FADNA I think
(08:59:30 PM) ke4qqq: I'd rather be mid-release for FADNA
(08:59:34 PM) ke4qqq: personally
(08:59:37 PM) inode0: and whether we really expect FADNA attendees to
also be at FUDcon
(08:59:39 PM) ke4qqq: that spreads it out a bit
(08:59:52 PM) ke4qqq: OLF was an ok fit for that
(09:00:05 PM) inode0: I don't think it is reasonable to expect
ambassadors to attend 2-4 FUDcon/FADNA events per year
(09:00:34 PM) ke4qqq: 4 it's not, IMO, esp if the distance is great
(09:01:33 PM) ke4qqq: but if we move it to a different side of the country
(09:01:41 PM) ke4qqq: each time it becomes far more realistic
(09:01:52 PM) ke4qqq: so we go to Cali for late in the year
(09:02:17 PM) inode0: hopping from coast to coast is depressing me
(09:02:57 PM) ***ke4qqq would really hesitate to fly cross country for
a 2 day event
(09:03:25 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: DemonJester thoughts?
(09:03:35 PM) ***DemonJester notes unless there is something else
going on in the area wont be doing that either
(09:03:44 PM) inode0: I like attaching FADNA to another event as it
helps draw a Fedora presence to that event and it adds value to the
trip for the ambassadors
(09:03:56 PM) lcafiero: What DemonJester said
(09:04:27 PM) inode0: FADNA at OLF or SELF gives me two reasons to
make those trips
(09:04:36 PM) DemonJester: agrees with inode0
(09:05:01 PM) ke4qqq: ok - so FADNA at SELF it is - ready to move on?
(09:05:14 PM) lcafiero: Where/When is SELF?
(09:05:18 PM) inode0: possibly we could have FADNA at PyCon as well,
that is March I think
(09:05:40 PM) inode0: not sure what else is in that timeframe?!
(09:05:46 PM) DemonJester: SCALE?
(09:05:55 PM) inode0: when is SCALE?
(09:05:57 PM) ke4qqq: ohhhh good point
(09:05:59 PM) ke4qqq: Feb
(09:06:08 PM) inode0: too close to January :)
(09:06:09 PM) lcafiero: SCaLE is January/February
(09:06:17 PM) ***lcafiero has to look
(09:06:31 PM) DemonJester: honestly I doubt I could make that in such
short time frame
(09:06:50 PM) inode0: it is short and right after FUDcon
(09:07:08 PM) DemonJester: inode0: exactly
(09:07:25 PM) ***MadBus is sorry for being late
(09:07:47 PM) ke4qqq: OSCON?
(09:07:54 PM) lcafiero: SCaLE is Feb 20-22
(09:07:55 PM) ***ke4qqq shuts up now
(09:08:08 PM) inode0: PyCon is end of March in Chicago
(09:08:39 PM) ***MadBus has relatives in Portland
(09:08:56 PM) ke4qqq: so shall we table this discussion?
(09:09:10 PM) inode0: OSCON is usually in July isn't it?
(09:09:11 PM) lcafiero: +1
(09:09:19 PM) MadBus: inode0, yes
(09:09:29 PM) inode0: and it is big
(09:09:37 PM) lcafiero: true that.
(09:09:40 PM) inode0: or was when I last went
(09:10:10 PM) inode0: ok, this has been good, I think there is some
reasonable sentiment to try to space FADNAs around the midpoints for
releases
(09:10:16 PM) inode0: there is good logic in that
(09:10:46 PM) inode0: we need to find places is all so keep your eyes open
(09:10:56 PM) ke4qqq: !
(09:10:59 PM) inode0: go
(09:11:03 PM) lcafiero: would like to revisit SCaLE
(09:11:11 PM) ke4qqq: so can we get loupgaroublond to brief us on his
barcamp experiences?
(09:12:05 PM) loupgaroublond: sure
(09:12:22 PM) inode0: yes, but please everyone think about what we
might do at SELF given that we are bailing on FUDcon and FADNA
(09:13:08 PM) loupgaroublond: so the barcamp was hosted by a guy who
recently came back from hong kong and wanted to get back in touch with
the tech community in the area
(09:13:39 PM) loupgaroublond: he ran it piggy back on the WPLUG
meeting here, and sent out invites to the blogging community in
Pittsburgh (which is huge actually)
(09:14:26 PM) ke4qqq:  ? how many people showed up?
(09:14:37 PM) loupgaroublond: there were about 10 in the end
(09:14:55 PM) loupgaroublond: which is relatively good for pittsburgh
(09:15:07 PM) ke4qqq: not bad for any 'first' meeting
(09:15:26 PM) loupgaroublond: one time events have a hard time doing
well, events need to be on a very regular basis (usually monthly) and
always in the same location
(09:16:11 PM) loupgaroublond: i've had a request to boost the fedora
community here, boost openstreetmaps here, and i talked about doing
this at the bar camp a bit
(09:16:41 PM) ke4qqq: did the request to boost fedora come from your employer?
(09:16:44 PM) loupgaroublond: but the bulk of the presentation i gave
was why open source is important when it comes to mapping
(09:16:46 PM) ke4qqq: or elsewhere?
(09:16:59 PM) loupgaroublond: nope, it came from some BSD guys who are
very supportive of Fedora and know of alot of fedora users in the area
(09:17:13 PM) ke4qqq: wow
(09:17:39 PM) lcafiero: hmmm
(09:18:20 PM) ke4qqq: so you're a commarch person - what are you doing
to grow pittsburgh?
(09:18:30 PM) ***ke4qqq is curious to learn
(09:18:53 PM) loupgaroublond: i'm going to start with a monthly OSM
meeting, and perhaps work with the barcamp guys
(09:19:03 PM) ke4qqq: OSM?
(09:19:08 PM) loupgaroublond: open street map
(09:19:41 PM) loupgaroublond: i have two goals with OSM, one get the
members of this group to lobby different groups in the city to use
open source tools to do their job (like Bike Pittsburgh! which makes
bike maps of the city)
(09:19:56 PM) loupgaroublond: and pass around LiveUSB images of Fedora
running all the tools they need
(09:20:16 PM) inode0: that is great
(09:21:08 PM) loupgaroublond: but my number one focus in to make it
monthly, so that it will hopefully continue on its own once i graduate
in the spring and move on
(09:21:28 PM) ke4qqq: is there a OSM spin?? lol
(09:21:45 PM) loupgaroublond: yeah, i put it together last week
(09:21:55 PM) loupgaroublond: it needs packages from openSuSE build
service though
(09:22:38 PM) ***lcafiero has to start paying attention in class -- be
back later
(09:22:56 PM) ke4qqq: cool!
(09:23:01 PM) ***inode0 hopes we are finished before he gets back :)
(09:23:21 PM) inode0: this is very cool loupgaroublond
(09:23:52 PM) loupgaroublond: definitel, mapping's alot of fun
(09:24:33 PM) loupgaroublond: and i'm guessing you guys want to figure
out something about starting up local communities?
(09:24:36 PM) MadBus: loupgaroublond, can you recompile the source for Fedora?
(09:24:49 PM) ke4qqq: loupgaroublond: always looking for new insight
(09:25:12 PM) loupgaroublond: theoretically yeah, but one of the
packages is a java thing that the packager just threw the jar file
into the RPM which is not the way to go
(09:25:16 PM) inode0: even finding existing communities where we can
make a difference
(09:25:54 PM) loupgaroublond: overholt volunteered at one point to
repackage it for us, but i don't know how busy he is now
(09:26:30 PM) loupgaroublond: so two things to that, my current tack
is to focus on getting people doing the things they do on open source
platforms using fedora
(09:27:08 PM) loupgaroublond: and second, richard weaits, who i'm
trying to get involved in Fedora a bit more, is the commarch guy for
OpenStreetMap's sponsor organization
(09:27:45 PM) loupgaroublond: he knows alot about doing the community
thing for OSM, and i've been mainly working with his methods to get
things going
(09:28:04 PM) ke4qqq: are his methods documented anywhere?
(09:28:43 PM) loupgaroublond: hence, monthly meetings, use a very
local focus such as organizations in the area that would have an
interest, and get a local on the scenes guy to do work for you
(09:29:03 PM) loupgaroublond: dunno, most of my contact with him has
been in person
(09:31:04 PM) ***loupgaroublond scans the OSM wiki for information
(09:31:23 PM) inode0: we are 90 minutes in
(09:31:25 PM) loupgaroublond: but they use their wiki for alot of collaboration
(09:31:36 PM) inode0: friendly nudge
(09:31:36 PM) ke4qqq: I'll check it out
(09:31:54 PM) loupgaroublond: just open the main page and scroll down
and you'll see what i mean
(09:32:04 PM) ***ke4qqq recoils from the 'friendly' nudge and returns
the floor to inode0 :)
(09:32:07 PM) ke4qqq: ok
(09:32:27 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: can report I have BarCampSTL covered
(09:32:42 PM) ke4qqq: outstanding - that's 2
(09:32:47 PM) ke4qqq: just need a third now
(09:33:01 PM) inode0: visit fedora-ambassadors and say welcome to jimi
(09:33:44 PM) inode0: ok, I'd like to close up shop for this week -
anything else urgent?
(09:34:02 PM) inode0: 5
(09:34:05 PM) inode0: 4
(09:34:08 PM) inode0: 3
(09:34:11 PM) inode0: 2
(09:34:14 PM) loupgaroublond: can someone please approve richard
weait's request to join f-ambassador@ list?
(09:34:30 PM) inode0: only if he is an ambassador
(09:34:34 PM) loupgaroublond: oh ok
(09:34:41 PM) inode0: that isn't an open list
(09:34:44 PM) loupgaroublond: ok
(09:34:47 PM) inode0: 1
(09:35:00 PM) inode0: thanks everyone
(09:35:02 PM) inode0: EOF


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