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[Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2008-12-03



(08:00:43 PM) inode0: Ok, let's being the meeting tonight with Roll Call
(08:00:46 PM) Quickstart: true
(08:00:47 PM) inode0: begin
(08:01:00 PM) ***ke4qqq is here
(08:01:06 PM) Quickstart: QUICKSTART HERE
(08:01:20 PM) crossbytes: crossbytes here
(08:01:21 PM) ***DemonJester present
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(08:01:28 PM) ***loupgaroublond
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(08:01:54 PM) ***herlo meant .fas
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(08:02:00 PM) DemonJester: :(
(08:02:03 PM) loupgaroublond: .fasinfo ynemoy
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(08:02:07 PM) DemonJester: doesnt like us
(08:02:08 PM) zodbot: loupgaroublond: Unapproved Groups: None
(08:02:16 PM) inode0: for the new folks hit the meeting page to see
tonight's agenda please
(08:02:27 PM) herlo: it's in the topic
(08:02:32 PM) inode0: Announcements ...
(08:02:39 PM) inode0: I have two
(08:02:51 PM) ***herlo has one
(08:02:59 PM) Quickstart: inode the meeting page is blank
(08:03:02 PM) loupgaroublond: i'm just kibitzing :)
(08:03:12 PM) herlo: Quickstart: no it's not
(08:03:17 PM) inode0: (1) during last week's discussion about BarCamps
we recruited coverage at the St. Louis BarCamp this month
(08:03:53 PM) inode0: hopefully we have a new ambassador in that area,
plan is to propose a cobbler talk
(08:04:05 PM) herlo: cool!
(08:04:08 PM) ke4qqq: +1
(08:04:11 PM) Quickstart: sounds good
(08:04:17 PM) ke4qqq: is it on /Events?
(08:04:20 PM) loupgaroublond: when is it?
(08:04:37 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: you mean /FedoraEvents :)
(08:04:46 PM) inode0: oh, I'm not sure if it is ... the event is on the 13th
(08:05:18 PM) inode0: I'll talk to Jimmy about getting it on the
events page if it isn't
(08:05:19 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: no - I mean http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events
(08:05:45 PM) ke4qqq: and yes I know it's redirect, but
(08:05:54 PM) herlo: see :)
(08:05:54 PM) Quickstart: where is the BarCamp located?
(08:05:58 PM) herlo: st louis
(08:06:01 PM) inode0: (2) previously I announced Max Spevack's
February IRC class
(08:06:21 PM) inode0: A second one has been added for this Saturday
(08:06:29 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Classroom
(08:06:50 PM) inode0: Please try to attend one of them even though
both are at funny times for NA :(
(08:07:03 PM) Quickstart: will do
(08:07:07 PM) ke4qqq: is this worth trying to get spevack to hold
during one of our famna meetings?
(08:07:33 PM) inode0: I'll report back if I am awake at 6am this Saturday :)
(08:07:46 PM) inode0: I plan to try
(08:07:49 PM) Quickstart: *chuckle
(08:08:08 PM) inode0: I'm sure any talk by Max with us would be worthwhile
(08:08:19 PM) DemonJester: +1
(08:08:32 PM) herlo: here's my announcement: just want to remind
everyone in here to blog about Fedora Classroom this week.  Sooner the
better!  We still need to fill most of Sunday
(08:08:41 PM) ke4qqq: yeah but 9pm EST is painful for him
(08:09:12 PM) inode0: and I'll add that there are other nice class
opportunities by some of our ambassador peers this weekend as well
(08:09:20 PM) inode0: so do consider the other classes too
(08:09:40 PM) herlo: the point of Classroom is to get people who
usually are in #fedora or on fedoraforum.org involved.  But we need
topics to present.  It's really not that hard and you can do a
presentation on anything relevant.  I've done one on SELinux basics
and am presenting on LVM and RAID this Saturday
(08:10:04 PM) herlo: I mean just LVM
(08:10:22 PM) inode0: next item?
(08:10:45 PM) inode0: F10 Media Distribution - herlo
(08:10:47 PM) herlo: +1
(08:11:06 PM) herlo: okay, so I am starting to get requests for media
to be delivered to individual Ambassadors
(08:11:13 PM) herlo: I had one yesterday and one last week
(08:11:32 PM) herlo: I expect those to grow, but I want us to discuss
how we plan to distribute the media
(08:11:40 PM) ***ke4qqq wonders if he can make a request for media
(08:11:45 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: haha
(08:11:46 PM) herlo: yes
(08:11:51 PM) DemonJester: Regionals distibute?
(08:11:51 PM) herlo: here's the thing
(08:12:03 PM) herlo: I will get the cd's approx Dec 10
(08:12:09 PM) herlo: that's my guess
(08:12:19 PM) loupgaroublond: is the media not going through Alex in
the RH office this time?
(08:12:26 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: nope, me
(08:12:42 PM) ke4qqq: loupgaroublond: we were able to do it for 1/3
the price RH did media for
(08:12:42 PM) loupgaroublond: gotcha, good luck :P
(08:12:52 PM) herlo: the media that I'll be getting is *only* x86
GNOME Live stuff
(08:13:06 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: it's been easy so far, great prices too
(08:13:18 PM) Quickstart: One question regarding the media
distribution will it all consist of Live CD's or a DVD image?
(08:13:20 PM) loupgaroublond: i mean the regional distribution stuff,
that's a headache
(08:13:43 PM) ke4qqq: loupgaroublond: that's one thing we need to
discuss - hopefully tonight
(08:13:58 PM) herlo: Later this week (have to deal with my job search
first) I'll order x86_64 Live, x86 DVD and x86_65 DVDs
(08:14:01 PM) loupgaroublond: might i throw in that i always try to
bring ISOs on my laptop to events and encourage people to BYO usb
stick
(08:14:17 PM) herlo: I have to get approval from Max for the amounts
and get the order placed with the Media company
(08:14:21 PM) ke4qqq: yeah most of us do the same thing
(08:14:29 PM) herlo: so
(08:14:35 PM) inode0: so how can we help you now herlo
(08:14:35 PM) herlo: I plan to do this in two phases
(08:14:41 PM) herlo: Phase I
(08:15:01 PM) herlo: on or around Dec 10, I will ship out deliveries
to the regional ambassadors
(08:15:16 PM) herlo: I expect to be reimbursed for this from CommArch
(08:15:33 PM) ***ke4qqq wonders if we need to setup a UPS or Fedex acct
(08:15:39 PM) herlo: the question is, should I send Media directly to
those who request?
(08:15:51 PM) herlo: or should I let the regionals handle that
(08:15:59 PM) DemonJester: I wouldnt, direct them to the regionals
(08:16:04 PM) ke4qqq: depends on timeliness in my mind
(08:16:09 PM) ke4qqq: if they need it by the 15th
(08:16:11 PM) herlo: I don't know who is going to pay for that cost
(08:16:13 PM) ke4qqq: ship it to them
(08:16:14 PM) inode0: if it can get to STL in time I'd appreciate you
sending that one direct
(08:16:28 PM) ke4qqq: if it can wait a week or two, let us handle it.
(08:16:31 PM) loupgaroublond: ke4qqq, have you talked to max about
using the RH fedex account?
(08:16:33 PM) inode0: if not, he will need to deal with it
(08:16:42 PM) herlo: now you understand that I will be in a money
crunch situation for the short term until I land a new job
(08:16:42 PM) ke4qqq: loupgaroublond: I have not
(08:16:51 PM) ke4qqq: so
(08:16:53 PM) herlo: so that's my only other concern
(08:16:55 PM) ke4qqq: my understanding all along
(08:17:04 PM) ke4qqq: was that shipping media would be funded from events
(08:17:14 PM) herlo: probably will
(08:17:25 PM) herlo: but we should probably have an account set up so
we can just pay it monthly
(08:17:28 PM) herlo: or quarterly
(08:17:37 PM) herlo: I'm sure that's what RH does
(08:17:55 PM) ke4qqq: I'm not, but that's what we talked about
(08:18:10 PM) ke4qqq: the other option there is to retain some
ourselves and ship the balance to Alex
(08:18:11 PM) herlo: if that can get set up soon, I can ship Live
Media to anyone who requests because I will just drop it at the
Fedex/UPS drop location
(08:18:23 PM) ke4qqq: and let her use the RH fedex acct
(08:18:37 PM) herlo: so that seems like double costs
(08:18:54 PM) herlo: ship them to her so she can ship them back to us
or people in our region?
(08:19:10 PM) ke4qqq: yes
(08:19:19 PM) ke4qqq: as she did with F9
(08:19:19 PM) herlo: I think we can probably get an account set up
easily enough and in plenty of time
(08:19:22 PM) ke4qqq: ok
(08:19:28 PM) inode0: it isn't much different than shipping them to us
to ship out again really
(08:19:34 PM) herlo: well, sure, but she had them shipped to her only
(08:19:35 PM) ke4qqq: if we do, that's great
(08:19:47 PM) herlo: oh, but it is different
(08:19:52 PM) herlo: here's how
(08:19:52 PM) ke4qqq: I like the idea of it coming to us
(08:19:56 PM) DemonJester: I woudl say if time is short ship it
directly, if not direct them to the regionals
(08:19:57 PM) ke4qqq: gives us more involvement
(08:19:58 PM) loupgaroublond: to ship to her is much cheaper than
shipping out to individuals, because you get bulk pricing
(08:20:08 PM) inode0: so do I, we should handle it all if at all possible
(08:20:08 PM) herlo: I think I can even get the media company to ship
them directly to each of the regionals
(08:20:24 PM) ke4qqq: I think that is included in the price
(08:20:28 PM) ***DemonJester agrees with inode0
(08:20:44 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: I am not so sure.  But I think that's
what I'll tell them to do...
(08:20:55 PM) ke4qqq: but if there are concerns - I'd rather not have
egg on my face b/c we can't deliver
(08:21:01 PM) ke4qqq: we know alex can handle it
(08:21:13 PM) herlo: there are 4 of us, we'll be able to deliver
(08:21:25 PM) herlo: if you aren't available, the other regionals can cover it
(08:21:29 PM) ke4qqq: k
(08:21:31 PM) DemonJester: +1
(08:21:34 PM) herlo: that's a reasonable thing to expect
(08:22:05 PM) herlo: so let m eget this straight
(08:22:19 PM) Quickstart: I have a suggestion you could always place
all the copies on a spool and send the envelopes seperate
(08:22:25 PM) Quickstart: may save on cost
(08:22:39 PM) herlo: I will tell the Media company to ship directly to
the 4 ambassadors
(08:22:57 PM) herlo: Quickstart: it actually won't be much different,
matters of fractions of a penny each
(08:23:24 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, that only matters when
dealing in bulk like 10k+ and then only if the CDs come from one plant
and the sleeves from another
(08:23:28 PM) herlo: then when the funds are approved for the other 3
batches, we'll get those orderd and delivered asap
(08:23:30 PM) Quickstart: oh ic
(08:23:31 PM) herlo: same process
(08:23:49 PM) DemonJester: sounds like a plan :)
(08:24:06 PM) pcalarco: apologies for being late, all
(08:24:07 PM) herlo: I'll also talk with max (is it?) to see about
getting an Ambassaors FedEx/UPS account
(08:24:17 PM) inode0: np pcalarco, glad to see you
(08:24:19 PM) ke4qqq: whats our timelines on getting other media started
(08:24:21 PM) herlo: inode0: mind tasking me with that?
(08:24:32 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: depends on the budget approval
(08:24:40 PM) herlo: I plan on talking with Max about that tomorrow morning
(08:24:46 PM) inode0: herlo: sure
(08:24:46 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: /me doesn't think we need to get blessing
to setup the account
(08:25:05 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: it's not about getting a blessing.  It's
about making sure it'll get funded
(08:25:25 PM) herlo: setting up the account can probably be done
online right now
(08:25:35 PM) ke4qqq: right
(08:25:39 PM) herlo: any other questions?
(08:25:53 PM) ke4qqq: well we can handle that easily enough  -
(08:25:58 PM) DemonJester: hurry hurry hurry with the delivery :)
(08:25:59 PM) herlo: yes, I think so
(08:26:05 PM) ke4qqq: just refuse to send media if we don't get money :)
(08:26:05 PM) herlo: DemonJester: I'll do my best
(08:26:10 PM) DemonJester: :)
(08:26:11 PM) herlo: lol
(08:26:40 PM) loupgaroublond: any chance to get media by the end of
next week? the lug here's clamoring for hot off the presses media
(08:26:50 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: nope, not likely
(08:27:04 PM) ke4qqq: unless they are willing to pay for overnight shipping
(08:27:09 PM) Quickstart: you could always lightscribe them on some
discs cost a pretty penny
(08:27:24 PM) loupgaroublond: ok, USB sticks it is
(08:27:34 PM) herlo: burning your own is never a bad idea, but pressed
media is *so* much prettier
(08:27:50 PM) DemonJester: herlo: you had to go there didnt ya? ;)
(08:28:01 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: if they are done sooner, I'll let
you all know
(08:28:19 PM) Quickstart: well they do have some stickon labels and
print cds on sale saves a bundle
(08:28:19 PM) herlo: DemonJester: of course ;)
(08:28:23 PM) DemonJester: lol
(08:28:32 PM) herlo: inode0: I'm done I think
(08:28:35 PM) Quickstart: the print cds only need a compatible printer
lol that may cost something
(08:28:43 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, no worries, it's just that we
moved to a new community center location, and left a few ubuntu CDs at
the reception desk, i'm itching to replace them with nice looking
fedora media
(08:28:56 PM) inode0: Q4 Goals ...
(08:29:15 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: did you want to talk some about this one
to get us started?
(08:29:19 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: me too
(08:29:20 PM) DemonJester: 1. have loupgaroublond hand out Fedora cd's
instead of Ubuntu :)
(08:29:25 PM) ke4qqq: sure I'll get it started
(08:29:28 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: +1
(08:29:39 PM) ke4qqq: So we want 3 BarCamps this quarter
(08:29:46 PM) ke4qqq: it sounds like 2 are already scheduled
(08:29:50 PM) ke4qqq: we need one more
(08:29:54 PM) ke4qqq: sooooooooo
(08:30:12 PM) ***herlo is going to possibly plan one for March/April timeframe
(08:30:16 PM) ***inode0 goes to look at the list again
(08:30:22 PM) ke4qqq: 1. Regional peeps, start scoping a coercing
people to 'own' a barcamp
(08:30:23 PM) herlo: not Q4 though
(08:30:46 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: I am presenting in PA this weekend
hopefully get someone interested in picking up the HBG one in Jan.
(08:30:58 PM) ke4qqq: we are currently the _only_ sponsor for
Charlotte's BarCamp
(08:31:02 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: COOL!!!!!
(08:31:12 PM) ke4qqq: after the event in Harrisburg we should have
some peepe sthere
(08:31:23 PM) DemonJester: I have 3 different schools lined up right now.
(08:31:28 PM) loupgaroublond: DemonJester, is that you going to harrisburg?
(08:31:29 PM) ke4qqq: outstanding
(08:31:42 PM) DemonJester: yep
(08:31:52 PM) loupgaroublond: awesome, we have good traction there :)
(08:32:27 PM) ke4qqq: so next up is # of contributors
(08:32:32 PM) ke4qqq: I hate chasing numbers like this
(08:32:40 PM) ke4qqq: BUT I don't know what else quantifiably we can chase
(08:32:41 PM) ***herlo thinks we shouldn't then
(08:32:50 PM) ***ke4qqq is open to other options
(08:33:08 PM) ke4qqq: I know it's like # of speeding tickets written,
or number of people taken to jail
(08:33:09 PM) herlo: what about tracking # of new projects in Fedora
by quarter or something?
(08:33:27 PM) ke4qqq: I think we have precious little control over that
(08:33:29 PM) loupgaroublond: how about policy instead of quota, the
goal is to write policy on how to encourage new and persistant fas
signups rather than just counting numbers
(08:33:32 PM) herlo: I mean they do announce the new Ambassadors.
(08:33:41 PM) ke4qqq: or at least I haven't been trying to recruit
(08:33:58 PM) ke4qqq: in that way
(08:34:01 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: that goes back to our mentoring
discussions a couple months back ++1
(08:34:16 PM) ke4qqq: yeah - we need to get that started again as an aside
(08:34:24 PM) ke4qqq: perhaps we want to do # of events
(08:34:31 PM) herlo: could do
(08:34:37 PM) Quickstart: we can always get college recruits and forum hunts
(08:34:39 PM) ke4qqq: but I don't want to show up to just hand out media
(08:34:42 PM) Quickstart: as well as facebool
(08:34:46 PM) herlo: that' would be easier to track, and I think that
was my point of making the FedoraEvents page have reporting
(08:35:03 PM) ke4qqq: part of it is conversations, business card exchanges, etc.
(08:35:14 PM) loupgaroublond: one thing we can do though is encourage
the use of the 'show' plugin in FAS when signing up new contributers
(08:35:38 PM) loupgaroublond: i'm going to do a rush of ekg
development over winter break, i can definitely integrate the two
(08:36:29 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: can you clarify to me what that
plugin does?
(08:36:31 PM) Quickstart: could it be a requierment to become a
contributer and have a contributer group for FAS
(08:36:49 PM) ke4qqq: thats cla_done
(08:36:51 PM) herlo: Quickstart: that's signed_CLA afaik
(08:36:57 PM) herlo: :)
(08:37:04 PM) ke4qqq: stop it herlo!
(08:37:05 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(08:37:08 PM) Quickstart: oh IC k
(08:37:10 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, it's a specialized 'sign up' page
that you can use at the events that adds a label to sign-up-ees that
tracks where they signed up
(08:37:11 PM) DemonJester: deja vu :)
(08:37:24 PM) Quickstart: well I am a noob so try to learn as much lol
(08:37:26 PM) ke4qqq: yeah we talked about that last quarter iirc
(08:37:28 PM) loupgaroublond: i originally intended it to provide
ambassadors a good way to follow up with people after the event
(08:37:57 PM) ke4qqq: my concern there is that I hand out business
cards - and I people email me - and half the time I don't remember
them
(08:38:10 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: not at this point, but that's
something that we made possible recently with the new dns structure
(08:38:13 PM) ke4qqq: so pointing them to chaslug.join.fp.o doesn't work
(08:38:21 PM) ***ianweller lurks
(08:38:28 PM) loupgaroublond: 'lo ianweller
(08:38:28 PM) herlo: we could easily create a olf.fedoraproject.org
page that had sign up info
(08:38:31 PM) ke4qqq: ianweller: participate
(08:38:31 PM) ***inode0 still wants cake
(08:38:47 PM) ***ianweller throws a pie at inode0
(08:38:48 PM) ianweller: inode0: that good?
(08:38:51 PM) ***ianweller stops distracting
(08:38:57 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, how about
http://admin.fp.o/accounts/show/join/fudcon11 for example?
(08:38:57 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: your url is better
(08:39:06 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: no, that's too long
(08:39:21 PM) herlo: but the idea is the same with what we were
suggesting and even that was the point
(08:39:30 PM) ianweller: ya know, you could probably set up an
http://events.fp.o/$EVENTSHORTNAME that would redirect to the accounts
page.
(08:39:35 PM) herlo: someone just needs to code the web stuff...
(08:39:39 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, it's not a URL to pass out to
people, it's just meant to be used as a home page for test machines at
events and shows
(08:39:51 PM) ianweller: oh
(08:39:51 PM) ianweller: hmm
(08:39:52 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: why not?
(08:39:55 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, it's coded, i did it
(08:40:02 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: that's what I thought
(08:40:08 PM) herlo: I just didn't know who did it
(08:40:09 PM) ianweller: oh ricky and i were actually discussing doing
a crazy thing that would track identi.ca posts, planet feeds, and
flickr photos for events
(08:40:20 PM) herlo: ianweller: get to work!
(08:40:23 PM) herlo: :)
(08:40:32 PM) herlo: inode0: assign that to ianweller  :) :) :)
(08:40:32 PM) ke4qqq: yeah we don't do that much in US - I know EMEA
does it - but I hate telling people to sign up then and there - I
think it inflates numbers
(08:40:32 PM) ianweller: mokay!
(08:40:44 PM) ianweller: we were gonna have it auto-refresh but i
decided against that, too much work. just doing it like that is simple
(08:41:06 PM) loupgaroublond: ke4qqq, my original intention was that
the ambassadors could go back over the list and say 'i recognize these
five peeople, let me send them a personalized follow up email'
(08:41:07 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: what if we gave out cards that
had olf.join.fp.o on them for each event.  Something simple to go in
the Media or something
(08:41:14 PM) herlo: they could sign up at their leisure that way
(08:41:17 PM) Quickstart: I can help out with the html code
(08:41:32 PM) Quickstart: I may need a graphic designer to create the link tabs
(08:41:38 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: well that'd be another way anyway
(08:41:42 PM) ke4qqq: interesting - yeah we do a poor job of follow up
(08:41:47 PM) ke4qqq: IMO
(08:41:47 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, no objections :), so long as
there is a commitment from the ambassadors to follow up one way or
another
(08:41:51 PM) herlo: NA sucks at follow-up
(08:41:53 PM) herlo: :)
(08:41:57 PM) ***herlo is the worst offender
(08:42:17 PM) ianweller: ya know what, i'm actually gonna get started
on that concept right now by asking mmcgrath some questions over in
#fedora-admin ;)
(08:42:22 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: but if someone were to sigh up,
we could get that info
(08:42:24 PM) loupgaroublond: ok, agenda item, modify the
indoctrination materials to include a section on follow up :)
(08:42:35 PM) herlo: hehe
(08:42:39 PM) ke4qqq: indoctrination materials heh
(08:42:41 PM) ***herlo points at spevack
(08:42:50 PM) herlo: and his classroom sessions
(08:43:00 PM) ke4qqq: what else cna we measure and set as a goal
(08:43:02 PM) ke4qqq: ?
(08:43:03 PM) ke4qqq: ?
(08:43:07 PM) loupgaroublond: let me shoot an email over to max real
quick about that then
(08:43:09 PM) Quickstart: One question: could there be a timed script
that will popup when demos are being shown?
(08:43:31 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, why?
(08:43:47 PM) Quickstart: well it could be a good way to collect
follow up information
(08:43:57 PM) Quickstart: or have an extra ambassador to do signups
(08:44:17 PM) ke4qqq: I know this sounds old school, but I don't think
you can beat talking to people, getting their contact info and
following up
(08:44:26 PM) ke4qqq: even if the goal isn't to make them a contributor
(08:44:33 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: right, which is the point I was making
(08:44:36 PM) crossbytes: +1
(08:44:54 PM) herlo: give them a card, and some Media, hopefully they
sign up, but we need to do our part as well
(08:44:58 PM) Quickstart: true
(08:45:18 PM) ke4qqq: part of it - is building relationships (the
Friend foundation)
(08:45:44 PM) Quickstart: thats true more friendlier then the new
automated phone systems
(08:46:21 PM) crossbytes: +1 +1 ke4qqq old school networking
(08:46:30 PM) ke4qqq: anyway - back to goals - what else can we measure
(08:46:39 PM) ke4qqq: # of events? and if so how many do we want for
this quarter?
(08:46:45 PM) ke4qqq: or something completely different?
(08:47:50 PM) Quickstart: well I was thinking in the upcomming year
doing a talk about Linux at my old college
(08:47:54 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: the FedoraEvents page should be where the
# of events is tracked
(08:48:19 PM) inode0: Quickstart: that is great and should be listed as an event
(08:48:30 PM) ke4qqq: cool Quickstart please list it as an event so
you can get funding
(08:49:00 PM) inode0: and that is something I think should be
encouraged and could be a goal ... local talks which every ambassador
should be able to do
(08:49:18 PM) herlo: if everyone is encouraged to put events, no
matter how minor (isn't that what we've been doing?) it'll be easy to
track
(08:49:36 PM) ke4qqq: 30 events this quarter?
(08:49:56 PM) inode0: how about more than the same quarter last year? just grow?
(08:50:01 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: Q4?
(08:50:06 PM) Quickstart: it could work
(08:50:13 PM) herlo: inode0: +1
(08:50:24 PM) ke4qqq: yes
(08:50:34 PM) Quickstart: I just need to get some permissions and it
is a small college, but I have some contacts should be soon
(08:50:42 PM) ke4qqq: how many were there last year in NA?
(08:50:49 PM) ke4qqq: I say we double?
(08:51:24 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: 20%
(08:51:33 PM) ke4qqq: lets see the numbers first
(08:51:45 PM) herlo: here's my problem with constant growth
(08:52:02 PM) herlo: at some point, there will be a deficit in growth
(08:52:17 PM) herlo: it's bound to happen, we can't always grow
(08:52:24 PM) ke4qqq: yes this is for this quarter only
(08:52:34 PM) ke4qqq: there look to have been 3 events last Q4
(08:52:37 PM) inode0: goals aren't always met
(08:52:40 PM) Quickstart: that's true life cycle
(08:52:41 PM) herlo: I just want to point out that we should plan this quarterly
(08:53:10 PM) inode0: agrees
(08:53:11 PM) herlo: so Q4 2007 v Q4 2008 would be good
(08:53:16 PM) ke4qqq: right
(08:53:22 PM) ke4qqq: Q407 == 3 NA events
(08:53:26 PM) ke4qqq: from what I see
(08:53:32 PM) inode0: we can spank that
(08:53:34 PM) herlo: Q408 == 10
(08:53:34 PM) ke4qqq: anyone have a problem with wanting more than that?
(08:53:37 PM) DemonJester: is this any event?
(08:53:44 PM) herlo: DemonJester: yes
(08:53:51 PM) herlo: I don't see why not
(08:53:53 PM) DemonJester: I mean I am having 4 myself in the next week?
(08:53:58 PM) ke4qqq: 10 are already on the board
(08:54:07 PM) herlo: next years numbers will be a better comparison
(08:54:14 PM) DemonJester: herlo: +1
(08:54:23 PM) herlo: because we've been more vigilant about getting
evetns on the board
(08:54:29 PM) Quickstart: I have a suggestion what usually is the
target audience for Fedora users?
(08:54:40 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: depends it varies
(08:54:43 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, you'll get a million answers for that
(08:55:14 PM) ke4qqq: Quickstart: humans
(08:55:25 PM) DemonJester: if they are able to make it to the event in
one shape or another they are the targeted audience :)
(08:55:43 PM) herlo: DemonJester: +1
(08:56:01 PM) ke4qqq: 10 are already on the board
(08:56:04 PM) inode0: I'm comfortable with throwing a number like
15-20 at this quarter as a goal
(08:56:14 PM) DemonJester: agrees
(08:56:19 PM) ***herlo wants 12
(08:56:23 PM) Quickstart: true well I just wanted to ask because there
are alot of convencions in the NYC area and mostly we can start a both
at a Ani con
(08:56:27 PM) ***ke4qqq wants 15
(08:56:43 PM) ke4qqq: Quickstart: anywhere you can get a booth
(08:56:47 PM) ***ianweller wants 238423
(08:56:47 PM) ke4qqq: is a place we want to be
(08:56:52 PM) ianweller: what are we talking about? :P
(08:56:57 PM) ke4qqq: how many are you holding ianweller ???
(08:57:02 PM) Quickstart: ok I'll se what I can find
(08:57:09 PM) ***ianweller stops distracting again
(08:57:34 PM) ke4qqq: anything else we want as goals
(08:57:43 PM) ke4qqq: ??
(08:58:01 PM) loupgaroublond: if you want small events on the board, i
can certainly add a few
(08:58:05 PM) DemonJester: yes have a min. of 2 FADs this year
(08:58:07 PM) ke4qqq: please do
(08:58:12 PM) loupgaroublond: there are barcamps and OSM meetings coming up here
(08:58:13 PM) inode0: loupgaroublond: do, add all events
(08:58:16 PM) ke4qqq: that outside this quarter though
(08:58:38 PM) inode0: we want to know about events of all sorts desperately
(08:58:42 PM) ke4qqq: yeah and take money to sponsor them - Max siad
we'd make money for that
(08:59:14 PM) herlo: if you know about it and can represent fedora in
some way there, add it!
(08:59:29 PM) Quickstart: How bout a party?
(08:59:40 PM) inode0: release parties are definitely events
(08:59:51 PM) herlo: :)
(08:59:54 PM) herlo: add it!
(08:59:59 PM) herlo: add it!
(09:00:01 PM) ke4qqq: My personal goal for this quarter is to 'own'
barcamps - have as many covered and even sponsored as we can
(09:00:01 PM) herlo: add it!
(09:00:04 PM) Quickstart: the thing is that I don't know if the latest
release party is available in my area
(09:00:22 PM) herlo: Quickstart: what do you mean available?
(09:00:24 PM) Quickstart: I'll see what I can do and report it next meeting
(09:00:41 PM) ke4qqq: Quickstart: work with DemonJester - he'll get
you squared away
(09:00:41 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: jds2001 is holding one sometime
this month iirc
(09:00:45 PM) Quickstart: well I haven't heard anything about a
release part for 10
(09:01:01 PM) ke4qqq: if it isn't on /Events
(09:01:03 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, do you have connections to
otherp eople in your area who are interested in getting an
introduction to linux? even just 3-4 people?
(09:01:14 PM) ke4qqq: then it prolly isn't happening
(09:01:19 PM) inode0: ok, we have one interesting task list item on
the agenda, so I'd like to move to it soon
(09:01:20 PM) ke4qqq: so just schedule one and go with it
(09:01:22 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: you should have already
received an email from me earlier this week
(09:01:34 PM) herlo: Quickstart: you can make it happen :)
(09:01:37 PM) Quickstart: well neighbor is one father's class and I
could get something going on in the alma matre
(09:01:41 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: I surrender the floor
(09:02:13 PM) Quickstart: I just need sometime right now
(09:02:19 PM) inode0: DemonJester: hang around for me after the
meeting please ...
(09:02:26 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: if you need help let me know.
(09:02:29 PM) DemonJester: inode0: ok
(09:02:35 PM) Quickstart: give me two wks to get situated
(09:02:41 PM) inode0:  Bulk ordering event swag - DemonJester
(09:02:43 PM) Quickstart: k DJester
(09:02:59 PM) DemonJester: bear with me on this one.
(09:03:06 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, all you need to do is get
them all together, maybe at your house, maybe at a coffee shop, and
just pass around a few Install CDs ;)
(09:03:10 PM) ***herlo hires the bear!
(09:03:21 PM) DemonJester: I would like to get a buk order together
for swag (shirts, stickers, etc)
(09:03:25 PM) DemonJester: bulk
(09:03:38 PM) ke4qqq: stickers should already be ordered
(09:03:38 PM) DemonJester: I am not sure if we could get funding for
this ahead of time or not
(09:03:40 PM) herlo: +1
(09:03:46 PM) Quickstart: Well I was thinking on doing something for
my dads Web Class just need to have a Live CD with Bluefish though
(09:03:48 PM) ke4qqq: but I'd like toadd tattoos
(09:03:51 PM) ke4qqq: to your mix
(09:04:06 PM) DemonJester: my thought is this if we already have them
made it makes distributing them much easier
(09:04:19 PM) ke4qqq: I don't think so
(09:04:20 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, i'll PM you information
about making spins
(09:04:22 PM) ke4qqq: but it's more cost effective
(09:04:26 PM) inode0: rolls of infinity stickers or fedora inside
style stickers are in high demand
(09:04:27 PM) ***herlo also wants to make more standard type stickers,
you know rectangle ones that fit over the slot where your floppy used
to be
(09:04:31 PM) Quickstart: k
(09:04:44 PM) herlo: inode0: called 'case badges'
(09:04:53 PM) inode0: yes
(09:04:58 PM) DemonJester: I recently ran into a problem trying to get
shirts at a decent price but the order was to small and the cost was
high so I scrapped the idea
(09:05:15 PM) ke4qqq: well we are unlikely to get all of it... - lets
pick the 'high value' swag targets
(09:05:19 PM) ke4qqq: and email max tonight!
(09:05:27 PM) herlo: DemonJester: generaly bulk order is a good idea,
since we'll need them for AmbassadorKit
(09:05:37 PM) DemonJester: would it be possible to get funding for
something like this. I am thinking 300 shirts to start
(09:05:52 PM) DemonJester: plus "Powered by Fedora" laptop stickers
(09:06:09 PM) herlo: this is what I want:     *  One DIY box /
container * 20 LiveCDs (3 DVDs) only 10 will fit in the box * T-Shirt
(1-2) * Fedora stickers (10 sheets) * Fedora buttons (10 or so) *
Fedora labeled USB sticks (4-5, costly, so initial efforts won't
include these)
(09:06:29 PM) herlo: buttons, stickers and tshirts seem to be the order
(09:06:35 PM) herlo: and maybe tattoos
(09:06:39 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: 300 shirts is likely 1800 bucks - but maybe
(09:06:48 PM) DemonJester: herlo: usb stics 2 gigs for $7.00 a piece
(09:06:57 PM) ke4qqq: buttons, stickers (already made) and tattoos are cheap.
(09:07:01 PM) Quickstart: well at staples they have this thing where
you can get a spindle of 10 for 10.00 its just trying to get the
labels is an issue
(09:07:01 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: nope about $1000
(09:07:08 PM) ke4qqq: really - that's good pricing
(09:07:26 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: exactly the more you order the
better the price.
(09:07:28 PM) ke4qqq: we should try for that
(09:07:44 PM) herlo: I think that's doable
(09:07:47 PM) herlo: +2
(09:07:50 PM) ke4qqq: me too
(09:08:04 PM) ke4qqq: esp since we'll effectively have most of the swag cost -
(09:08:10 PM) ke4qqq: we got what 4500 last quarter for NA
(09:08:16 PM) ke4qqq: so 20% shouldn't be a problem
(09:08:22 PM) ke4qqq: as long as we have funding for media
(09:09:07 PM) Quickstart: thats true
(09:09:19 PM) herlo: media should be in addition to that cost
(09:09:24 PM) DemonJester: herlo: can you ask max about this when you
talk with him?
(09:09:38 PM) herlo: DemonJester: sure, inode0 add that to the task :)
(09:09:48 PM) herlo: please
(09:09:49 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: can you send details on the pricing
you have seen?
(09:10:00 PM) DemonJester: to the list?
(09:10:10 PM) ke4qqq: list works
(09:10:13 PM) inode0: herlo: your phone call to max is a task now?
(09:10:27 PM) herlo: not a phone call
(09:10:33 PM) DemonJester: herlo: thanks :)
(09:10:35 PM) ke4qqq: well gents - I must depart
(09:10:37 PM) DemonJester: eof
(09:10:47 PM) inode0: ok, thanks ke4qqq
(09:10:49 PM) herlo: inode0: re: Media budgeting and swag budgeting
(09:10:59 PM) herlo: need a task to get that approved
(09:11:00 PM) inode0: ok herlo
(09:11:03 PM) Quickstart: take it easy ke4qqqq
(09:11:04 PM) herlo: inode0: thanks
(09:11:07 PM) ***herlo has to run as well
(09:11:08 PM) DemonJester: gnite ke4qqq
(09:11:11 PM) Quickstart: it was a pleasure meeting you
(09:11:18 PM) Quickstart: night herlo
(09:11:19 PM) DemonJester: gnite herlo
(09:11:24 PM) herlo: night all
(09:11:26 PM) ke4qqq: night all
(09:11:32 PM) inode0: ok, we have open floor now if there are any
other topics people want to discuss before we wrap
(09:11:35 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: thanks for coming let me know
if I can help
(09:12:12 PM) DemonJester: I am good.
(09:12:20 PM) ***ianweller read that as "I am god."
(09:12:23 PM) inode0: hearing none ...
(09:12:28 PM) inode0: 5
(09:12:30 PM) ***DemonJester notes that too :)
(09:12:32 PM) inode0: 4
(09:12:32 PM) Quickstart: no problem I am here
(09:12:35 PM) inode0: 3
(09:12:37 PM) Quickstart: one thing
(09:12:41 PM) inode0: ...
(09:12:43 PM) Quickstart: I noticed that there was an online
(09:12:53 PM) Quickstart: tutorial for Debian linux is there one for fedora?
quaid Quickstart
(09:13:14 PM) inode0: you understand I have to start this countdown
over from the beginning when you do that Quickstart? :)
(09:13:21 PM) DemonJester: lol
(09:13:36 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: for using Debian or contributing?
(09:13:38 PM) Quickstart: sorry inode
(09:13:49 PM) inode0: just kidding Quickstart
(09:13:56 PM) Quickstart: Its an online tutorial that gives linux in a nutshell
(09:14:00 PM) Quickstart: *I know
(09:14:14 PM) Quickstart: but the tutorial is basically using Debian
(09:14:18 PM) inode0: show us a link and maybe we can point you at
something similar
(09:14:24 PM) Quickstart: I propose that we can create one for Fedora
(09:14:31 PM) Quickstart: ok
(09:14:36 PM) Quickstart: one sec
(09:14:41 PM) ***DemonJester assigns Quickstart with that task :)
(09:14:44 PM) inode0: the docs group has lots of stuff and would love
to meet you I'm sure
(09:15:45 PM) Quickstart: sure no prob a noob to teach noobs it works
(09:15:48 PM) Quickstart: lol
(09:16:06 PM) inode0: sometimes that works out well actually
(09:16:16 PM) DemonJester: learning for all....
(09:16:32 PM) DemonJester: nothing assumed that way either
(09:16:37 PM) inode0: every teacher knows you learn a lot by teaching
(09:16:47 PM) Quickstart: thats true
(09:16:49 PM) DemonJester: spokend like a true teacher :)
(09:17:05 PM) ***DemonJester I cant spell for nothing tonight..
(09:17:26 PM) inode0: Quickstart: join us in #fedora-ambassadors any
time, we can continue this there
(09:17:45 PM) ***inode0 is about to restart the countdown
(09:17:53 PM) ***DemonJester needs to create an auto-spelling
correction script for irssi.
(09:17:57 PM) inode0: 5
(09:18:02 PM) inode0: 4
(09:18:08 PM) inode0: 3
(09:18:13 PM) inode0: 2
(09:18:19 PM) inode0: 1
(09:18:23 PM) inode0: EOF


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