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[Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2008-12-17



(08:00:41 PM) inode0: FAmNA Meeting Roll Call
(08:01:09 PM) ***ke4qqq is here
(08:01:34 PM) ***DemonJester present
(08:01:39 PM) QUICKSTART: QUICKSTART READY TO START
(08:02:40 PM) ***inode0 notes herlo is here in spirit
(08:02:55 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(08:02:57 PM) inode0: Annoucements ...
(08:03:13 PM) inode0: (1) elections - voting closes on the 20th so don't forget
(08:03:43 PM) inode0: (2) we need an owner for the Linux Symposium in
Montreal next July
(08:03:47 PM) ke4qqq: has everyone voted??
(08:03:53 PM) ke4qqq: anyone need help?
(08:04:00 PM) ***ke4qqq apologizes
(08:04:06 PM) QUICKSTART: Too far from Montreal and no money for the
flight sorry
(08:04:09 PM) ***inode0 is sure everyone has not voted :)
(08:04:10 PM) ***DemonJester has voted already
(08:04:29 PM) ke4qqq: !
(08:04:39 PM) QUICKSTART: I haven't voted
(08:04:51 PM) inode0: ke4qqq
(08:04:54 PM) QUICKSTART: link for the candidates please?
(08:05:07 PM) ke4qqq: so - can we talk real briefly about the original
OLS message
(08:05:21 PM) inode0: sure
(08:05:39 PM) QUICKSTART: by all means lead the way
(08:05:44 PM) ke4qqq: so they originally wanted a hackfest or
something of that nature that Fedora would hold there -sort of a
mini-fudcon iirc
(08:05:59 PM) inode0: yes
(08:06:17 PM) ***jimi_c is here... sorry for being late
(08:06:18 PM) ke4qqq: but perhaps it's a location for FADNA - which
we'll discuss later - but regardless we need at a minimum to find
someone to 'own' OLS - regardless of the rest
(08:06:47 PM) inode0: agreed
(08:06:50 PM) QUICKSTART: does the person have to be physically present?
(08:06:53 PM) DemonJester: inode0: any luck with Adam?
(08:06:57 PM) ke4qqq: hi lisa
(08:07:04 PM) Adora: heya!
(08:07:07 PM) inode0: I've contacted the last person I know in
Montreal, no reply yet from Adam
(08:07:08 PM) Adora: <--- lisa
(08:07:18 PM) ke4qqq: ianweller: ping
(08:08:13 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: yes
(08:08:35 PM) inode0: it would at least help a lot
(08:08:52 PM) ke4qqq: ok - well no good movement there
(08:09:03 PM) ke4qqq: I suggest that if we don't have someone by end of the week
(08:09:13 PM) ke4qqq: we tell them we simply don't have anyone to own
(08:09:13 PM) QUICKSTART: Too far from Montreal and no money for the
flight sorrdyasfsdfjalskdjf;kjlkasdjlf;jghqoirupoqewurmzxnv.mzxcnvx
(08:09:14 PM) ke4qqq: it
(08:09:17 PM) inode0: I just sent a feeler this afternoon to Adam,
let's give him a couple of days
(08:09:26 PM) QUICKSTART: sorry had a lag with the key board
(08:09:34 PM) ke4qqq: end of the week == a couple of days?
(08:09:39 PM) ke4qqq: lets get this out on the list too
(08:09:49 PM) DemonJester: agrees ^^^^^
(08:09:49 PM) ***ke4qqq doesn't want someone to say we didn't tell them
(08:10:00 PM) inode0: it has been on the list
(08:10:01 PM) ***ke4qqq takes that action item
(08:10:12 PM) ke4qqq: I know - but I am going to say we simply won't do it
(08:10:18 PM) ke4qqq: which may motivate one person
(08:10:31 PM) ke4qqq: anyway eof from me
(08:10:53 PM) inode0: well, let's give Adam the rest of the week in
case he is interested - then post to f-a-l something dire
(08:11:04 PM) ke4qqq: ok
(08:11:28 PM) inode0: any announcements from others?
(08:11:53 PM) inode0: Let's move on to FADNA then
(08:11:57 PM) ke4qqq: ok
(08:12:04 PM) DemonJester: +1
(08:12:14 PM) inode0: Larry posted to f-a-l tonight
(08:12:24 PM) inode0: about SCaLE
(08:12:36 PM) inode0: he is willing to own that
(08:12:47 PM) ke4qqq: scale or fadna at scale?
(08:12:57 PM) inode0: FADNA @ SCaLE
(08:12:57 PM) DemonJester:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-December/msg00250.html
(08:13:05 PM) inode0: herlo owns SCaLE I think
(08:14:02 PM) inode0: so does anyone have a big objection to doing the
next FADNA at SCaLE on fairly short notice?
(08:14:31 PM) ***ke4qqq does but it doesn't matter
(08:14:35 PM) DemonJester: I can only be there in spirit and or stream
/ conference call
(08:14:54 PM) ***ke4qqq thinks it's awfully close to fudcon
(08:15:03 PM) inode0: ok, let's talk about that
(08:15:07 PM) Adora: how many west coasters are going to fudcon?
(08:15:13 PM) inode0: SCaLE, SELF, and OLS are all close to FUDcon
(08:15:31 PM) inode0: if close is defined to be within 2 months of FUDcon
(08:15:31 PM) ke4qqq: indeed
(08:15:35 PM) DemonJester: Adora: not sure to be honest
(08:15:37 PM) ke4qqq: OLF wasn't
(08:15:40 PM) ke4qqq: and was ideal
(08:15:42 PM) ke4qqq: IMO
(08:15:47 PM) ke4qqq: whatabout LFNW?
(08:15:50 PM) ke4qqq: or OSCON?
(08:15:54 PM) inode0: SCaLE is actually the farthest away from FUDcon
of the conferences currently on the table
(08:16:16 PM) ke4qqq: adora: that I know of, 2-3 unless you consider
hi to be west coast :) then add one :)
(08:16:28 PM) ke4qqq: true
(08:16:30 PM) inode0: what about them? no one has come forward
suggesting them seriously that I'm aware of
(08:16:58 PM) admin1lbo: sorry I left so abruptly
(08:17:13 PM) admin1lbo: lost control of my computer
(08:17:23 PM) ***herlo is here somewhat
(08:17:39 PM) inode0: combining with OSCON I view as problematic, same
problems EMEA had I would expect we would have doing that
(08:17:50 PM) ke4qqq: I agree
(08:17:55 PM) DemonJester: as do I
(08:18:35 PM) inode0: PyCon is at a nice time, perhaps not a nice location?!
(08:18:39 PM) ***herlo htinks either LFNW or SCaLE are viable targets
(08:18:51 PM) inode0: when is LFNW?
(08:18:52 PM) herlo: where's pycon?
(08:19:01 PM) inode0: pycon is chicago in march
(08:19:10 PM) herlo: April
(08:19:14 PM) herlo: lfnw
(08:19:23 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: Herlo mentioned it!
(08:19:36 PM) inode0: but seriously? :)
(08:19:52 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(08:20:14 PM) herlo: what did I mention?
(08:20:29 PM) herlo: http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/
(08:20:46 PM) inode0: I'm sympathetic to a west coast FADNA ... that
can happen sooner than a west coast FUDcon
(08:21:00 PM) ke4qqq: url == serious mention inode0
(08:21:02 PM) ke4qqq: indeed
(08:21:08 PM) herlo: LNFW is on the west coast
(08:21:17 PM) ke4qqq: I am not against it aside from proximity to fudcon
(08:21:23 PM) inode0: and it might be a good opportunity to experiment
with Max - including a small hackfest or something
(08:21:56 PM) ke4qqq: what are we doing to Max?
(08:22:19 PM) inode0: Max expressed interest in expanding FAD a bit
(08:23:03 PM) inode0: and on the west coast it might be nice to give
developers an opportunity to get together too if we can
(08:23:31 PM) inode0: if not, we aren't out anything, just something to chew on
(08:23:56 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: is LFNW too close to FUDcon?
(08:24:00 PM) ke4qqq: date?
(08:24:13 PM) DemonJester: 4/25 - 4/26
(08:24:13 PM) inode0: herlo said april, right?
(08:24:39 PM) ke4qqq: that looks better- but how many people can
attend is the next question
(08:24:40 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: let's just define "too close to FUDcon" please
(08:24:47 PM) ke4qqq: 60 days?
(08:24:51 PM) ke4qqq: is that too broad?
(08:24:56 PM) ke4qqq: 45 days at least IMO
(08:25:02 PM) ke4qqq: but I don't want to legislate this.
(08:25:13 PM) ke4qqq: but for instance
(08:25:16 PM) inode0: ok, I want to know what you think is too close -
I don't really care about it being close
(08:25:18 PM) ***ke4qqq is going to pick on adora
(08:25:22 PM) Adora: o_0
(08:25:24 PM) herlo: 60 days
(08:25:25 PM) ke4qqq: adora is on the west coast -
(08:25:41 PM) ke4qqq: if she has to choose between stretching things
for fudcon and attending fadna in her backyard
(08:25:44 PM) inode0: because 60 days on each side doesn't leave much :)
(08:25:47 PM) ke4qqq: I'd bet it'd be the latter
(08:26:19 PM) herlo: let's not go back to this conversation about
whether people can make one or both.  It doesn't benefit us
(08:26:43 PM) ke4qqq: then why do we care if it is too close?
(08:26:46 PM) herlo: let's just pick a date, whether it'll be with a
con or not, and go forward
(08:26:46 PM) inode0: agreed, it can't be resolved
(08:26:51 PM) DemonJester: whoever can make it makes it, I say pick a
spot on the West coast and run with it
(08:26:59 PM) Adora: if there's a true benefit to fudcon, people will
make the effort to go (and it sounds like there is)
(08:27:03 PM) ke4qqq: SCALE has an owner - let him run with it
(08:27:12 PM) herlo: fudcon is the only thing I'd concern myself with,
I'd like it to be the opposite 3 months from the fudcons...
(08:27:25 PM) ke4qqq: why?
(08:27:43 PM) ke4qqq: is that just a preference?
(08:27:46 PM) Adora: and for people who can't, in my opinion it's good
for the community to have another event around the same time that they
can feel involved with
(08:27:47 PM) herlo: because as was pointed out previously, if it
comes down to a debate between the two...
(08:27:48 PM) ke4qqq: or??
(08:28:01 PM) inode0: we aren't talking about that tonight herlo :)
(08:28:04 PM) ke4qqq: thought we weren't arguing that?
(08:28:05 PM) ke4qqq: lo.l
(08:28:06 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(08:28:14 PM) herlo: inode0: oh, sorry
(08:28:34 PM) admin1lbo: why am I logged off
(08:28:49 PM) ke4qqq: I say if lcafiero wants to run with it, we give
him our blessing if we don't care about competition
(08:28:52 PM) herlo: that's not what I was pointing out.  but rather
an example of the only concern we should have...
(08:28:58 PM) ke4qqq: not that he needs it
(08:29:03 PM) herlo: hehe
(08:29:09 PM) inode0: I sense sympathy with let larry run with SCaLE
if he wants to. He might be interested in whether core ambassadors can
or can't attend though.
(08:29:46 PM) ke4qqq: one thing that I think would define it is budget
(08:29:56 PM) ke4qqq: if he gets budget to put people up
(08:30:03 PM) ke4qqq: (as EMEA FADs do)
(08:30:03 PM) inode0: let's touch base with larry this week and see if
he wants to run
(08:30:08 PM) herlo: April would be better for budget
(08:30:14 PM) ke4qqq: would it?
(08:30:26 PM) ke4qqq: whats the basis of that?
(08:30:32 PM) inode0: budget is coming up very shortly tonight -
likely a small budget for Q4 FADNA
(08:30:34 PM) ke4qqq: aside from we already have everything spent :)
(08:30:38 PM) kanarip: what about the EMEA FADs?
(08:30:42 PM) herlo: well, we have about 400 left this quarter,
assuming we have a budget at all
(08:31:06 PM) inode0: kanarip: EMEA FADs are funded differently now
(08:31:24 PM) kanarip: yes they are
(08:31:26 PM) inode0: that may change this year
(08:31:32 PM) ianweller: pong
(08:31:45 PM) QUICKSTART: 400$ or more then 4 hundred?
(08:31:45 PM) inode0: we may get one FAD funded more heavily
(08:31:55 PM) inode0: but it won't be in Q4
(08:32:49 PM) inode0: ok, let's talk with larry and try to finalize
this next week
(08:33:03 PM) inode0: any other FADNA discussion?
(08:33:19 PM) inode0: Q4 Budget
(08:33:22 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget
(08:33:34 PM) inode0: comments?
(08:33:57 PM) ***ke4qqq really wants to maintain some spare change and
honeslty 400 scares me
(08:34:01 PM) inode0: if there are any budget items you think we
should be spending funds for that aren't listed please get them on the
table now
(08:34:03 PM) ke4qqq: wish it was more
(08:34:11 PM) ke4qqq: or if you don't like the amounts
(08:34:32 PM) ***inode0 is inclined to not leave any slack
(08:35:02 PM) herlo: why?
(08:35:15 PM) inode0: or at least allocate it to some category
(discretionary, miscellaneous, or some such)
(08:35:15 PM) ke4qqq: why what herlo ?
(08:35:29 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: why that ^^
(08:35:30 PM) ke4qqq: I am worried about an opportunity coming up - or
an overage
(08:35:32 PM) herlo: inode0: answered it
(08:35:46 PM) ke4qqq: say tshirts are 1100 with shipping or something
(08:36:12 PM) ***DemonJester notes I will be getting an exact quote
end of this week on those
(08:36:13 PM) inode0: max has indicated there is likely to be more,
and I think we should have a wish list here that is as long as we want
really
(08:36:17 PM) herlo: sure, thus inode0's point, make it be discretionary
(08:36:53 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: can we have it any sooner?
(08:36:53 PM) inode0: if FADNA @ SCaLE I think it should be allocated there
(08:37:18 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: I can try for tomorrow but I am out
of office most of the day.
(08:37:29 PM) ke4qqq: ok
(08:37:29 PM) QUICKSTART: question how do we order CDs ?
(08:37:36 PM) QUICKSTART: are they free or do we pay?
(08:37:40 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: who do you mean by we
(08:37:41 PM) herlo: QUICKSTART: we'll get to that
(08:37:47 PM) inode0: please hold that until the budget is passed
(08:37:49 PM) QUICKSTART: ok thnaks
(08:38:28 PM) ke4qqq: ok - ...suggest we make event box and tattoos
contingent on
(08:38:33 PM) ke4qqq: FADNA @ SCALE
(08:38:44 PM) ke4qqq: and we retain current balance for unforeseen expenses
(08:39:02 PM) ke4qqq: and if larry makes it tonight lets get it ironed out then
(08:39:05 PM) herlo: eventbox is Wests anyway, that should be no biggie
(08:39:18 PM) ke4qqq: right but additional event box would be cut
(08:39:25 PM) ke4qqq: at least for this quarter
(08:39:46 PM) herlo: oh, I see
(08:41:46 PM) ke4qqq: ok
(08:41:52 PM) ke4qqq: so here is what I propose
(08:42:13 PM) ke4qqq: we allocate the balance to FADNA SCALE - and
failing that a second event box
(08:42:23 PM) ke4qqq: or discretionary funding for regionals to use
(08:43:08 PM) ke4qqq: with the understanding that that funding (and
tats, and eventboxes) may get killed if needed for events or other
things that promote fedora better
(08:43:12 PM) ke4qqq: thoughts?
(08:43:37 PM) inode0: we might have some play with the shipping number too
(08:43:47 PM) QUICKSTART: how bout shirts
(08:43:53 PM) inode0: with only two event box events that could be a bit high
(08:44:03 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: we have to ship tons of media
(08:44:06 PM) ke4qqq: and stickers
(08:44:08 PM) QUICKSTART: hold a contest or something
(08:44:09 PM) ke4qqq: and shirts
(08:44:25 PM) herlo: how much is that then?
(08:44:27 PM) herlo: for FADNA
(08:44:28 PM) ke4qqq: that's based on alex's 250/quarter meeting
(08:44:29 PM) QUICKSTART: I mean like a design contest for the
official fedora shirt or something like that
(08:44:42 PM) ke4qqq: right now it's 433
(08:44:51 PM) inode0: for what exactly?
(08:44:51 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: let us get through the budget first
(08:44:56 PM) herlo: that'd be a nice number for a FADNA
(08:44:57 PM) ke4qqq: FADNA
(08:45:00 PM) QUICKSTART: k
(08:46:15 PM) inode0: we need to talk to larry about the cost of
FADNA, but I think $500 is about the minimum
(08:46:55 PM) ke4qqq: why is that?
(08:47:05 PM) DemonJester: West Coast!
(08:47:19 PM) herlo: I think SCALE's budget can help
(08:47:34 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(08:48:28 PM) ke4qqq: ok - I just updated budget
(08:48:48 PM) ***herlo is going to look
(08:49:08 PM) inode0: well, $500 or $433, I wasn't quibbling - just
think it will need something in that ballpark to barely function
(08:49:43 PM) ke4qqq: and updated again
(08:49:49 PM) ke4qqq: with a disclaimer
(08:49:53 PM) inode0: ok, aside from FADNA, are there other spending
items we should list?
(08:50:00 PM) inode0: even if we can't fund them now
(08:50:26 PM) inode0: maybe we should list what is being skipped by
funding at $0 - like the missing media
(08:50:39 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh yeah
(08:50:57 PM) herlo: ambassadorkit
(08:51:02 PM) ***herlo keeps bringing this up
(08:51:12 PM) inode0: good point herlo
(08:51:14 PM) Adora: I like kits. =]
(08:51:23 PM) herlo: we need to do r&d on this at FUDCon
(08:51:27 PM) ***inode0 steps away briefly, please continue
(08:51:27 PM) herlo: so we need some funds for that
(08:52:01 PM) ke4qqq: how much is R&D exclusive of shippin
(08:52:03 PM) ke4qqq: shipping
(08:52:11 PM) ke4qqq: guesstimate?
(08:52:32 PM) ***ke4qqq admits he really doesn't understand the R&D costs
(08:52:58 PM) herlo: I want to purchase boxes or at least do some
research on the boxes
(08:53:07 PM) ke4qqq: shipping boxes?
(08:53:11 PM) ke4qqq: or??
(08:53:19 PM) herlo: both
(08:53:24 PM) ke4qqq: both?
(08:53:29 PM) herlo: shipping boxes and the display boxes to hold the media
(08:53:37 PM) ke4qqq: shipping boxes are free - just ask for them to
be sent to you.
(08:53:44 PM) herlo: no
(08:53:49 PM) herlo: they arent for what I want
(08:53:55 PM) ke4qqq: hmmmmm then I don't get it
(08:53:56 PM) herlo: I'd like to have reusable boxen
(08:54:02 PM) ke4qqq: link?
(08:54:11 PM) herlo: don't have anything yet, thus R&D
(08:54:27 PM) herlo: as far as the display box, there is some on the
designservice
(08:54:31 PM) ke4qqq: soooo guesstimate on cost
(08:54:32 PM) ***herlo looks to find it
(08:54:36 PM) ke4qqq: right - but that's not done yet right?
(08:55:08 PM) herlo: for R&D? <dr evil>$1billion </dr evil>
(08:55:17 PM) herlo: :-P
(08:55:23 PM) ke4qqq: ok - I'll list that
(08:55:30 PM) ***inode0 is back
(08:55:31 PM) DemonJester: lol
(08:55:46 PM) ***QUICKSTART falling out of my seat shaking my head
(08:55:47 PM) herlo: thank you thank you
(08:56:11 PM) ***inode0 suggests $200 out of thin air
(08:56:14 PM) ***QUICKSTART chuckles
(08:56:18 PM) ianweller: herlo: sorry that's an invalid xml tag!
(08:56:22 PM) ianweller: tsk tsk tsk
(08:56:28 PM) ke4qqq: just updated the wiki
(08:56:29 PM) DemonJester: I was thinking that amount as well
(08:56:31 PM) Adora: hahaha
(08:56:32 PM) ke4qqq: with a valid xml tag
(08:56:34 PM) herlo: ianweller: oh, I'll fix that later
(08:56:47 PM) herlo:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#AmbassadorKit_Box
(08:56:52 PM) ***DemonJester files a bug with bugzilla ;)
(08:56:52 PM) herlo: for those who are interested
(08:57:02 PM) ***ianweller is done with the distractions... <voice
type="Dr. Evil">for now!</voice>
(08:57:21 PM) ke4qqq: I doubt it
(08:57:34 PM) ianweller: shh.
(08:58:05 PM) ***QUICKSTART finishes ianweller with the never ending
laugh from the movie
(08:58:27 PM) inode0: can I make a suggestion about the budget table?
(08:58:39 PM) ke4qqq: ok - so lets see what lcafiero says on fadna -
but you can have tat money if not :(
(08:58:43 PM) ***ke4qqq really wants fedora tats
(08:58:48 PM) ke4qqq: sure
(08:58:55 PM) inode0: I'll buy the tats if need be
(08:59:13 PM) ***DemonJester suggest ke4qqq goes and gets a real one then :)
(08:59:23 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: I am allergic to pain
(08:59:32 PM) inode0: I'd like the table to have another column, along
with expected costs have an allocated funds column
(08:59:35 PM) ***DemonJester notes they dont hurt that much...
(08:59:38 PM) ke4qqq: and with my luck mizmo will comeup with a new
logo next year
(08:59:52 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: lol
(09:00:07 PM) inode0: break the media into three lines, two with $1800
allocations and one with $0 allocated
(09:00:22 PM) ke4qqq: Adora: suggested that I use this as
justification for tats:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sophistechate/2668775671/
(09:00:32 PM) QUICKSTART: ouch
(09:00:36 PM) inode0: I think this will more clearly show the folks
making our budget what we need, and the choices we are forced to make
(09:00:45 PM) ke4qqq: interesting idea
(09:00:59 PM) ke4qqq: I'll make those changes after the meeting if no
one is offended
(09:01:02 PM) Adora: >_<
(09:01:33 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: for the R&D, I think $100 would be enough...
(09:01:39 PM) ke4qqq: ok
(09:01:47 PM) Adora: I have no defense, I was at SXSW and things got
out of hand...
(09:01:49 PM) ke4qqq: I could just reduce from 5000 tats to 2.5k
(09:01:51 PM) inode0: we might include a line for some booth display
(persistent infrastructure) as Paul suggested
(09:02:11 PM) ke4qqq: I like the idea of persistent infrastructure
(09:02:14 PM) inode0: obviously getting $0 this quarter
(09:02:18 PM) ke4qqq: but there just isn't money in my opinion
(09:02:20 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(09:03:12 PM) inode0: it will help reinforce the idea that we need
funds for persistent infrastructure but that they aren't recurring
costs like media
(09:04:34 PM) inode0: let's add case badges too, and find costs if we have them
(09:04:57 PM) inode0: I think for small expenses tats and case badges
are big bang for the buck
(09:05:22 PM) DemonJester: agrees ^^^^^
(09:05:24 PM) ke4qqq: agreed
(09:05:33 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: that's actually a good idea, 2.5k tattoos
should be enough
(09:06:24 PM) ke4qqq: they only last a few weeks
(09:06:25 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(09:06:31 PM) herlo: :)
(09:06:42 PM) inode0: but they are fun and great advertising
(09:06:47 PM) herlo: agreed
(09:06:59 PM) herlo: we'd need to come up with a cool tat like that
with all the cool designs on the side
(09:07:01 PM) QUICKSTART: how bout sponsering a highway
(09:07:09 PM) QUICKSTART: there are a couple up for grabs right now
(09:07:20 PM) DemonJester: Fedora Tribal!!
(09:07:36 PM) ***ke4qqq is almost afraid to do this
(09:07:42 PM) ke4qqq: but suggests we let mo design a tat for us
(09:07:53 PM) DemonJester: or nicu
(09:07:58 PM) ke4qqq: oohhhh nicu
(09:08:02 PM) inode0: ok, this has been a good discussion
(09:08:07 PM) ke4qqq: anyway
(09:08:10 PM) ke4qqq: thats' OT
(09:08:32 PM) inode0: since we need to get budget to max asap, can we
deal with it more if needed after this meeting in fedora-ambassadors?
(09:08:42 PM) herlo: yes
(09:08:48 PM) DemonJester: sure
(09:09:11 PM) inode0: ok, let's move to task list review now
(09:09:24 PM) inode0: herlo: you have an update on UPS
(09:09:27 PM) inode0: or ke4qqq
(09:09:29 PM) herlo: inode0: nope
(09:09:31 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: does
(09:09:39 PM) ke4qqq: we have an account
(09:09:43 PM) ***inode0 notes it is herlo's task :)
(09:09:45 PM) ke4qqq: but apparenlty no one can use it
(09:09:51 PM) ***ke4qqq took it during herlos job search
(09:09:59 PM) herlo: inode0: I did get it, but ke4qqq set up the account
(09:10:01 PM) ke4qqq: it's billed to spevack's card
(09:10:13 PM) ***herlo should mention he is now employed starting tomorrow
(09:10:20 PM) ke4qqq: I still have to iron out that one wrinkle
(09:10:30 PM) inode0: the good news is we will be able to ship UPS
without paying for it directly out of pocket at some point
(09:10:37 PM) ***ke4qqq can use it but seems no one else can
(09:10:41 PM) inode0: herlo: great news
(09:11:16 PM) herlo: inode0: thanks, but UPS needs to be called so we
can figure out how to get us all on the account
(09:11:22 PM) ke4qqq: yeah
(09:11:28 PM) ke4qqq: and honestly just haven't had the time
(09:11:42 PM) ke4qqq: tried sitting through hold music
(09:11:44 PM) inode0: yes, we need to get that done before media
arrives if possible
(09:11:45 PM) ke4qqq: and gave up once
(09:11:53 PM) ke4qqq: media!!!
(09:11:57 PM) herlo: :)
(09:12:01 PM) DemonJester: where????
(09:12:04 PM) DemonJester: lol
(09:12:07 PM) inode0: media update?
(09:12:13 PM) herlo: well, so I suspect it will be delivered by Friday
(09:12:23 PM) ke4qqq: outstanding
(09:12:24 PM) inode0: excellent
(09:12:26 PM) herlo: and back to QUICKSTART's question
(09:12:30 PM) herlo: it's free
(09:12:30 PM) DemonJester: +10
(09:12:38 PM) ke4qqq: if we move forward with this budget tomorrow AM
when will you order?
(09:12:45 PM) herlo: you just have to promise to give some away too
(09:12:47 PM) f13: oh yeah, there's going to be some amount of media
hitting my house right?
(09:12:54 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: I can order immediately
(09:12:57 PM) f13: since you know, I made the darn thing
(09:13:02 PM) ke4qqq: f13: we looked into a tshirt cannon
(09:13:05 PM) herlo: f13: hehe sure
(09:13:10 PM) ke4qqq: but perhaps a media cannon is more apropos
(09:13:16 PM) f13: ke4qqq: lol, ouch
(09:13:22 PM) inode0: put the cannon on the budget
(09:13:24 PM) QUICKSTART: ok so is it a limit to how many cds we can order
(09:13:35 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: yes and no
(09:13:42 PM) inode0: details about this can wait for open floor please
(09:13:52 PM) herlo: right
(09:13:52 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: talk to your regional ambassador he
has discretion in how much to send or not send
(09:13:56 PM) ***inode0 tries to get through business
(09:13:58 PM) QUICKSTART: k
(09:14:07 PM) inode0: last task is mine
(09:14:19 PM) herlo: I'll talk with the guys tomorrow and get the
orders started for the DVDs
(09:14:27 PM) inode0: fixing backlog of meeting minutes - 1/20th complete :(
(09:14:35 PM) herlo: I suspect we could have that by FUDCon, but no promises
(09:14:41 PM) ke4qqq: that'd be cool
(09:14:44 PM) ke4qqq: except for shipping
(09:14:46 PM) ke4qqq: or flying
(09:14:54 PM) ke4qqq: would they ship to RH Boston?
(09:14:57 PM) herlo: no
(09:14:59 PM) herlo: my house
(09:15:01 PM) ***inode0 sets goal of year end to be caught up
(09:15:06 PM) ke4qqq: bah a pox on them :)
(09:15:07 PM) herlo: but, they're local and I can bring them/ship them
(09:15:34 PM) inode0: that is it for tasks
(09:15:38 PM) ke4qqq: cool
(09:15:38 PM) inode0: Open Floor
(09:15:58 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: where are you based out of?
(09:16:11 PM) inode0: sorry for cutting you off QUICKSTART, let fly
with all your questions/comments/suggestions now :)
(09:16:13 PM) f13: Anybody around the pacific NW and want to help me
out with Linux Fest Northwest?
(09:16:25 PM) herlo: f13: lcafiero
(09:16:30 PM) herlo: but I don't know if he's available
(09:16:33 PM) inode0: f13: do you want FADNA there? :)
(09:16:39 PM) ke4qqq: f13: will your budget include money for a flight
from SC to LFNW? :)
(09:16:41 PM) f13: what's FADNA ?
(09:16:50 PM) ke4qqq: FAD in NA
(09:16:51 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(09:16:51 PM) herlo: Fedora Ambassador Day North America
(09:16:59 PM) f13: ke4qqq: thus far I don't know what (if any) budget there is
(09:16:59 PM) ***inode0 sees there is a communication failure
(09:17:07 PM) herlo: apparently our marketing skills need to improve :)
(09:17:29 PM) f13: LFNW is in April, and I've been going for many years
(09:17:31 PM) QUICKSTART: lol ok
(09:17:43 PM) f13: usually I just do a talk or 2 about Fedora/RH/Open
Source, but this year I'd like to have a Fedora booth
(09:17:55 PM) f13: a couple of my friends in the area have offered to
do some booth time to hand out stuff
(09:17:55 PM) QUICKSTART: I was think is it possible to set up contest
to get more people to get into the who fedora game
(09:18:00 PM) herlo: f13: I would love to go, but I can't be sure I'll
have the availability by then
(09:18:02 PM) f13: and I think I've convinced Paul Frields into coming
(09:18:14 PM) ke4qqq: you still want to own the event, f13 - we'll
make sure that funds are there.
(09:18:20 PM) f13: I've never "ran" an event before
(09:18:25 PM) f13: so I'll need lots of hand holding
(09:18:34 PM) herlo: f13: we can help with that
(09:18:36 PM) f13: k
(09:18:44 PM) ***herlo is an experienced conference owner
(09:18:47 PM) ke4qqq: in return for a few package reviews
(09:18:48 PM) ke4qqq: :)
(09:18:53 PM) f13: then yeah, for lack of anybody else, I'll own the event.
(09:18:56 PM) ***herlo runs UTOSC.com
(09:19:08 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: haha
(09:19:37 PM) inode0: Adora: thanks for coming tonight, great meeting
you and I hope to see a lot more of you now
(09:20:10 PM) Adora: I hope to be around!
(09:20:24 PM) Adora: I'm sure ke4qqq will help with that with frequent
and swift kicks in the rear
(09:20:40 PM) QUICKSTART: well it was a good meeting lol time to call
it quits all the questions are done with for now lol
(09:20:51 PM) QUICKSTART: me/ raises pinky to mouth and laughs
(09:20:56 PM) herlo: Adora: I'll be there to kick you as well.  I'm
happy to be your regional ambassador
(09:21:05 PM) QUICKSTART: whoops /me raises pinky to mouth and laughs
(09:21:12 PM) ***QUICKSTART raises pinky to mouth and laughs
(09:21:24 PM) ***inode0 applauds seeing learning in action
(09:21:33 PM) DemonJester: lol
(09:21:59 PM) ***ianweller scratches his head and pushes everyone out the door
(09:22:50 PM) inode0: QUICKSTART: let's talk about your idea in
fedora-ambassador sometime for expanding Fedora's base
(09:22:52 PM) ***QUICKSTART laughs
(09:23:00 PM) QUICKSTART: will do inode
(09:23:10 PM) QUICKSTART: have a bunch of ideas
(09:23:34 PM) inode0: if can translate them into tasks we'll be all set :)
(09:23:37 PM) inode0: if we
(09:24:07 PM) inode0: any other open floor business before we adjourn
back to our home channel?
(09:24:25 PM) inode0: oh, I had two thing!
(09:24:27 PM) inode0: +s
(09:24:33 PM) ke4qqq: yes?
(09:24:37 PM) inode0: Rounding up more Fedora project people to speak
with us (FESCo maybe?)
(09:24:50 PM) inode0: we have dropped the ball on guest speakers
(09:24:57 PM) ke4qqq: +1
(09:25:02 PM) herlo: infra?
(09:25:07 PM) herlo: is that who you mean?
(09:25:15 PM) inode0: want to ping mcgrath or someone?
(09:25:37 PM) inode0: yes, that is exactly what I meant
(09:25:45 PM) herlo: what about l10n?
(09:25:54 PM) inode0: any other fedora groups
(09:26:15 PM) inode0: warren might be a good guest
(09:26:22 PM) herlo: did we do packagers?
(09:26:28 PM) inode0: nope
(09:26:47 PM) inode0: art/bugzappers/docs
(09:27:13 PM) ke4qqq: l10n is a bad idea imo
(09:27:16 PM) ke4qqq: we all speak english
(09:27:19 PM) ke4qqq: I think
(09:27:58 PM) inode0: but with the issues raised by warren at the town
halls I think we all need to be more aware of non-English speaking
users/contributors
(09:28:15 PM) inode0: and mmcgrath's recent numbers suggest we are dwindling
(09:28:26 PM) QUICKSTART: if you need a translator I can be one for
spanish users
(09:29:02 PM) ke4qqq: ahhh interesting
(09:29:10 PM) ke4qqq: perhaps we also need to get infra in here
(09:29:24 PM) inode0: I think infra would be a great next one
(09:30:01 PM) inode0: but we can schedule these far in advance too, so
let's just try to start getting some lined up for the future
(09:30:19 PM) inode0: Mentoring meeting with EMEA?
(09:30:36 PM) inode0: We poked EMEA about having an IRC meeting with
us as well, another dropped ball.
(09:31:03 PM) inode0: Shall I pick that back up?
(09:31:48 PM) inode0: We could talk to EMEA ambassadors about
whatever, but how they mentor new contributors is one topic I thought
would be useful.
(09:32:45 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh indeed
(09:33:11 PM) herlo: I think we shoot for after FUDCon
(09:33:19 PM) ke4qqq: agreed
(09:33:22 PM) inode0: ok, I'll get that moving again ... sure
(09:33:23 PM) ke4qqq: fudcon isn't far off
(09:33:35 PM) herlo: yep
(09:33:38 PM) ke4qqq: 4 weeks? or less
(09:33:39 PM) ***herlo is excited for fudcon
(09:33:45 PM) herlo: less, Jan 9-11
(09:33:47 PM) inode0: alright, it is last call
(09:34:02 PM) inode0: anyone need me to call them a taxi?
(09:34:35 PM) ***herlo always needs a taxi
(09:34:57 PM) ***QUICKSTART walks up to the teleporter waves and beams out
(09:35:04 PM) ***DemonJester will just sleep on the floor :)
(09:35:05 PM) inode0: congratulations to DemonJester's Buffalo Bulls
for doing the unthinkable this year
(09:35:12 PM) ***QUICKSTART teleporter doesn't work calls Scottie
(09:35:12 PM) inode0: 5
(09:35:16 PM) inode0: 4
(09:35:20 PM) inode0: 3
(09:35:23 PM) inode0: 2
(09:35:26 PM) inode0: 1
(09:35:30 PM) inode0: thanks everyone
(09:35:32 PM) inode0: EOF


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