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[Ambassadors] NA Ambassadors Meeting 2008-07-30 IRC Log



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[20:55] * gregdek looks about.
[20:55] * inode0 waves
[20:55] * gregdek waves  back!
[20:55] * jds2001 waves
[20:56] * herlo is here
[20:56] * quaid y0
[20:56] <gregdek> Hey ke4qqq: I'm in Columbia now, but not tomorrow night.
[20:56] <herlo> quaid!!
[20:56] <MadBus> helllooooo
[20:56] <ke4qqq> of course - maybe during lunch, won't take that long
[20:56] <herlo> quaid: feeling better?
[20:56] <quaid> herlo: mainly, aye, thanks
[20:57] <herlo> oh good
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[20:57] * jds2001 invited dcolish :)
[20:57] * MadBus aka vwbusguy
[20:57] <jds2001> since we could always use more ambassadors :)
[20:57] * inode0 invited #fedora
[20:57] <ke4qqq> outstanding jds2001
[20:57] * VileGent here
[20:58] * stickster here
[20:58] * VileGent jbwillia
[20:58] <gregdek> A motley crew indeed.
[20:58] <stickster> Hey now
[20:58] <MadBus> haha
[20:59] * herlo expecets jtaber to join any time...
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[20:59] <gregdek> Blah blah wretched hive blah blah scum and villainy
blah blah.  :)
[20:59] <herlo> stickster: motley crew is a compliment
[20:59] <Karlie> Here
[21:00] <stickster> Only with umlauts
[21:00] <quaid> so you say!
[21:00] <herlo> true that, me doesn't know how to type them on his
keyboard, hoever
[21:00] <herlo> however
[21:01] <gregdek> Who has the gavel tonite?
[21:01] * herlo hides
[21:01] <quaid> get him!
[21:01] <herlo> you cant make me!
[21:01] <herlo> :)
[21:01] * LinuxKnight here
[21:01] <ke4qqq> per the agenda you do
[21:01] * jds2001 wishes he could get this kind of turnout for his
meetings.......
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[21:02] <gregdek> you = me?
[21:02] <herlo> gregdek: yep
[21:02] <ke4qqq> gregdek: yes
[21:02] <stickster> Y'know, triage is very easy, people.... ;-)
[21:02] <gregdek> Okey doke.
[21:02] <herlo> This week's Ambassadors Meeting will be lead by
GregDeKoenigsberg.
[21:02] <gregdek> Point me to the agenda page and I shall lead.
[21:02] <herlo> from
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-07-30
[21:03] <gregdek> Hm.
[21:03] * herlo also recommends people use this page too for the task
list: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA
[21:04] <herlo> which is the same as
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NorthAmerica
[21:04] <gregdek> OK.
[21:04] <gregdek> We've got plenty of folks on, so I'll dispense with roll call.
[21:05] <gregdek> 1. ACTION ITEMS.
[21:05] <gregdek> Checking the tasks page:
[21:05] <gregdek> * Contacting local ambassadors.
[21:05] <gregdek> From what I've been seeing, you gents have been
going full bore.  Updates?
[21:05] * inode0 goes on vacation Friday and will hunt them all down
[21:05] * jds2001 is here as a result of said contact
[21:06] * herlo is in the final process of getting western ambassador
emails, but I have much of it ready to go...
[21:06] <ke4qqq> I've sent around two dozen emails - received 2-3 responses
[21:06] <herlo> ke4qqq: that's good percentage actually
[21:06] <ke4qqq> yeah I am pleased with that response
[21:06] <gregdek> Are we scrubbing the ambassadors list accordingly?
[21:06] <herlo> how so?
[21:06] <VileGent> ke4qqq,  no have seen
[21:06] <quaid> mark  with "active?"
[21:06] <ke4qqq> of course some of the people are JesseKeating and stickster
[21:07] <quaid> then erase after 60 days?
[21:07] <gregdek> Yes, what quaid said.
[21:07] <gregdek> The wiki gardener speaks true.  ;)
[21:07] <MadBus> quaid, sounds fair
[21:07] <herlo> my desire is that we also ask ambassadors that become
active make sure they have a certain set of info on their personal
page...
[21:07] * jds2001 knows f13 is active
[21:07] <LinuxKnight> !
[21:07] <quaid> +1 info
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[21:07] <gregdek> LinuxKnight?
[21:07] <herlo> email, name, irc nick, etc...
[21:07] <LinuxKnight> I don't remember getting one of these emails
[21:08] <herlo> LinuxKnight: that's because its me
[21:08] <herlo> and I am slow
[21:08] <inode0> they haven't gone to everyone yet
[21:08] <LinuxKnight> I am local to pacific nw
[21:08] <herlo> but its coming, hopefully tonight
[21:08] <LinuxKnight> oh ok then ;)
[21:08] * MadBus hasn't got one yet either.
[21:08] <ke4qqq> LinuxKnight: you may not - we may not have a
comprehensive list of all NA ambassadors - it's based on Category
being set on your home page.....
[21:08] <herlo> MadBus: where do you live?
[21:08] <MadBus> herlo, Indianapolis
[21:09] <MadBus> I think inode0 is my regional contact
[21:09] <ke4qqq> there are over 500 Ambassadors - and 68 are listed as
being in NA.
[21:09] <gregdek> OK.
[21:09] <herlo> yeah
[21:09] <inode0> we have talked, MadBus is in
[21:09] <gregdek> So that work is ongoing, then, it's safe to say?
[21:09] <MadBus> cool
[21:09] <herlo> yep
[21:10] <gregdek> All right.
[21:10] <gregdek> I will add "marking ambassadors as active" to that
action item.  Any objections to that?
[21:10] <herlo> nope
[21:10] <ke4qqq> none
[21:10] <MadBus> nope
[21:10] * inode0 is a little hesitant
[21:10] <jds2001> why?
[21:10] <gregdek> inode0: Oh?  How come?
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[21:11] <inode0> without any warning it has already caused panic here
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[21:11] <inode0> don't see a need to rush much
[21:11] <gregdek> A little panic isn't a bad thing, so long as it's
properly managed.  :)
[21:11] <gregdek> I don't advocate knocking "inactive" ambassadors out
quite yet.
[21:11] <herlo> one thing I'd like to see is that when we get the
people on board, they also include the category
[[Category:AmbassadorsUSA]] on their wiki page...
[21:11] <MadBus> 60 days is fair
[21:11] <gregdek> But that list is *very* old and has *never* been
edited, and we can't simply leave it as is.
[21:12] <herlo> or maybe we should change that to [[Category:NAAmbassadors]] ??
[21:12] <inode0> I'm ok either way - just not overly enthusiastic
about marking possible contributors as deadbeats so fast :)
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[21:12] <quaid> herlo: s/AmbassadorsUSA/Ambassadors_USA/
[21:12] <ke4qqq> no maybe AmbassadorsNA more intuitive
[21:12] <herlo> either way, just something that makes it easier to categorize
[21:12] <jds2001> let's not forget Canada
[21:12] <gregdek> inode0: We'll mark good ones "good" without marking
bad ones "bad".  :)
[21:12] <herlo> inode0: I'm curious what you think is being in a rush/panic?
[21:12] <quaid> inode0: three nagmails over 60 days is probably
enough; anyone who hasn't replied by then is "inactive"
[21:13] <stickster> Seriously, even one reply would be enough...
that's a pretty low bar.
[21:13] <gregdek> ok.
[21:13] <gregdek> Moving on?
[21:14] <stickster> gregdek: +1
[21:14] <ke4qqq> +1
[21:14] <herlo> +1
[21:14] <LinuxKnight> +1
[21:14] <jds2001> +1 if i have voting powers here
[21:14] <herlo> jds2001: lol
[21:14] <herlo> you do!
[21:14] <quaid> well, one addendum, if I may?
[21:14] <gregdek> Shoot.
[21:15] <inode0> what range do we use for voting here? :)
[21:15] <quaid> contacting people is a way of saying, "May be bug you
further?"  It is a courtesy before flooding them with all kinds of
stuff, right?
[21:15] <quaid> <eof>
[21:15] <quaid> and +1 to moving on
[21:15] <herlo> quaid: right
[21:15] <herlo> inode0: you are in attendance, you can vote for moving on...
[21:15] <gregdek> * Event kit!
[21:15] <herlo> or not!
[21:16] <quaid> !
[21:16] <herlo> gregdek: I've been giving this some thought
[21:16] * quaid defers to herlo
[21:16] <gregdek> Hold on.  quaid?
[21:16] <gregdek> Oh, nm.
[21:16] <gregdek> herlo, go ahead.
[21:16] <herlo> specifically regarding some of the conversations that
have been going on re: usb sticks and cds
[21:17] <herlo> I think there's room for both and costs can be covered
I think based upon the event.  For instance, if we're doing a large
event, then usb sticks seem to be a good bit of swag
[21:17] <herlo> but for LUGs and other smaller meetings, CDs seem to
be the way to go
[21:17] <MadBus> herlo, USB install/live media?
[21:17] <herlo> plus providing some posters, and possibly a creation
station script typ ething could help
[21:17] <herlo> MadBus: yes
[21:18] <LinuxKnight> plus usb sticks are reuseable, if we use generic
logo on them, can keep them and reuse for future versions
[21:18] <MadBus> herlo, USB might run into some more system
compatibility issues than CD
[21:18] <herlo> one thing I will say about logos, they must be printed
on the sticks and not simple stickers that fit on the usb sticks
[21:18] <MadBus> but other than that it's a great diea
[21:18] <inode0> is each usb stick worth 5-10 CD/DVDs?
[21:18] <herlo> MadBus: agreed, that's why a mix is important
[21:18] <LinuxKnight> herlo, +1
[21:18] <MadBus> *idea
[21:19] * herlo also thinks a bit of swag, tshirts, stickers, and one
or two bits of cool swag should go inside
[21:19] <jds2001> +1 to the logos - we want to look professional
[21:19] <herlo> maybe a Fedora bag to give away at evetns...
[21:19] <Karlie> !
[21:19] <gregdek> Karlie?
[21:19] <herlo> large events that is
[21:19] <Karlie> at on-disk we're doing a load of USB
[21:19] <gregdek> Oo!
[21:19] <Karlie> the dome tags are very professional and we're also
using hang tags
[21:20] <Karlie> dome tags are puffy sort of thing
[21:20] <herlo> what about lanyards?  Is that a hang tag?
[21:20] <herlo> Karlie: samples?
[21:20] <Karlie> the hang tags are shrink plastic with a cord off the
back of the stick
[21:20] <herlo> ahh, okay, I know what those are
[21:20] * jds2001 still not sure
[21:21] <Karlie> I can post an image to the list tomorrow
[21:21] <jds2001> ok
[21:21] <herlo> Karlie: that'd be great
[21:21] <Karlie> eof
[21:21] <gregdek> quaid?
[21:21] <quaid> the one idea I wanted to add (or confirm it is being
used) to the event kit idea;
[21:21] <gregdek> Care to tell us what we've got to start with?  :)
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[21:21] <quaid> here we are :)
[21:21] <gregdek> Hello Larry!
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[21:22] <lcafiero> hey quaid gregdek
[21:22] * quaid completes his thought
[21:22] * herlo waits patiently
[21:22] <quaid> I did some additions to the EventKit; I have some
signage with me, etc.
[21:22] <quaid> but thinking about shipping
[21:22] <quaid> if we had one person per region or a few near major
shipping hubs (Kentucky?)
[21:22] <quaid> who had >1 kits worth of materials and could compile a
few variations for shipping
[21:23] <quaid> then had an online app to FedEx/UPS to do the shipping
labels, request, pickup, etc.
[21:23] <quaid> it could be run from some kind, organized person's garage.
[21:23] <quaid> <eoidea>
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[21:23] * herlo agrees.  I think its a matter of determining what goes
into the Event Kit,  Is it different each time?
[21:23] <gregdek> So we've got two different types of "stuff":
[21:23] <MadBus> if Indy is close enuff to Kentucky, I can help with that
[21:23] <ke4qqq> !
[21:23] <gregdek> The persistent stuff (signage, banners, monitors? etc.)
[21:23] <gregdek> And the giveaway stuff.
[21:24] <herlo> Kentucky is only one major hub.  There are others...
[21:24] <gregdek> I think we need to be careful to distinguish between
the two, because they almost certainly have different logistical
challenges.
[21:24] <gregdek> ke4qqq?
[21:24] <ke4qqq> EventBox was supposed to be the regional - Kit was
supposed to be to everyone.....
[21:24] <gregdek> I'm a simple man.
[21:24] <gregdek> I make simple plans.  :)
[21:24] <ke4qqq> as an aside quaid I talked with spevack about getting
funding for at least a set of banners/signage per region
[21:25] <gregdek> So my first question is, "what does Karsten do with
his banner when he's done at LinuxWorld?"
[21:25] <ke4qqq> he is supposed to ask Famsco for funding for that
[21:25] <herlo> gregdek: he keeps it
[21:25] <inode0> I suspect all regional ambassadors would handle
packing and shipping to start with at least
[21:25] <gregdek> herlo: For-EVER?
[21:25] <ke4qqq> he keeps it til it needs to go elsewhere
[21:25] <herlo> gregdek: and its my responsibility to know where it is
and get it shpped to the next person
[21:25] <gregdek> herlo: As the Western guru?
[21:26] <gregdek> i.e. that is a regional banner kit?
[21:26] <ke4qqq> gregdek: if we do otherwise shipping costs double on us.
[21:26] <herlo> or he can shipit back.  But I don't see how its
valuable to move it around back to me
[21:26] <stickster> Great point.
[21:26] <gregdek> +1 to the daisy chain.
[21:26] <herlo> $$
[21:26] <jds2001> it's not - he should keep it and send to me if i
need it for example
[21:26] <herlo> its a matter of reporting that you have it, maybe we
could have a simple wiki page pointing that out...
[21:26] <gregdek> But that implies that we still need three more
banner kits -- Central, East, Canada.
[21:27] <herlo> the next Major event gets it
[21:27] <jds2001> or not, really, since i'm east - but that's a technicality :)
[21:27] * herlo points to the events page
[21:27] <gregdek> +1 to simple "Piggy's got the conch" wiki page for event kit.
[21:27] <gregdek> herlo: url?
[21:27] <herlo> gregdek: uh...let me make one?
[21:27] <gregdek> :)
[21:27] * stickster notes to herlo this has to be managed closely,
i.e. no "I mailed it, you didn't get it?" stuff.
[21:27] <stickster> you send it on, you send a cc of the tracking #.
[21:27] <jds2001> +1 to trackable shipping method
[21:27] <gregdek> Handoffs are a bitch.
[21:28] <herlo> stickster: I think its a bit of an honor system, but
the regional ambassadors should be in contact with ppl about events at
least every couple weeks
[21:28] <gregdek> A simple, bulletproof, well-documented policy.
[21:28] <ke4qqq> if we trust them enough to ship them a banner and
swag hopefully we can trust them to send it back - but perhaps I am
naive.
[21:28] *** ianweller_afk is now known as ianweller.
[21:28] <jds2001> you dont send it? you pay for another one.
[21:28] <MadBus> tracking numbers are good insurance
[21:28] <herlo> gregdek: I'll take that on as a challenge this week to
identify how we could do that, wanna add that to the tasks for me?
[21:28] <stickster> herlo: Good man
[21:28] * herlo thinks its a good point to move forward...
[21:28] <jds2001> +1
[21:28] <ke4qqq> !
[21:29] * gregdek will add task to herlo.
[21:29] <herlo> gregdek: tx
[21:29] <gregdek> We also need to buy other kits.
[21:29] <gregdek> Should I add that too?
[21:29] <ke4qqq> one other item - no one from marketing has stepped
forward for the slide decks - so I guess I'll do that - unless someone
that has some aesthetic capabilities wants to step up?
[21:29] <ke4qqq> other kits?
[21:30] <gregdek> Other kits.
[21:30] <gregdek> We have one set of banners right now.
[21:30] <jds2001> ke4qqq: i would start from the simple community
architecture one
[21:30] <gregdek> AIUI, we need one set of banners per region.
[21:30] <gregdek> Did I misunderstand?
[21:30] <herlo> ke4qqq: just use the four f's backgrounds when they
come out (are they out?)
[21:30] <ke4qqq> no, but famsco hasn't approved funds yet
[21:31] <ke4qqq> but tentatively that's true
[21:31] <herlo> gregdek: kits v eventbox I think is the issue
[21:31] <ke4qqq> herlo: If it has I haven't seen it
[21:31] <jds2001> define a "kit
[21:31] <jds2001> "
[21:31] * herlo chuckles
[21:31] <jds2001> the eventbox is this thing we've been talking about, right?
[21:32] <gregdek> TIME FOR A DEFINITION OF TERMS!  :)
[21:32] <herlo> jds2001: I suppose so.  Kits are more of something
*every* ambassador will just have on hand and can order as needed
[21:32] <herlo> kits include: a few CDs/DVDs, stickers and maybe a
tshirt or somethign small to giveaway
[21:32] <gregdek> EVENTBOX = persistent.  Banners plus "other stuff"
that needs to go to every event.  Is this right?
[21:32] <herlo> right
[21:33] <gregdek> How many EVENTBOX do we haz?
[21:33] * herlo guesses 0
[21:33] <inode0> big event, small events can be managed with kits I think
[21:33] <gregdek> Not so!
[21:33] <ke4qqq> 0.5
[21:33] <gregdek> quaid has one right now!  We had to get banners
printed for OSCON.
[21:33] * ianweller looks around and wonders what's going on
[21:33] <jds2001> NA Ambassador meeting
[21:33] <jds2001> join the fun!
[21:33] <gregdek> So we've got a miniEVENTBOX that will become a Real EVENTBOX.
[21:33] <herlo> quaid: gregdek: okay, what's in it right now?
[21:33] <gregdek> Four banners.
[21:34] <herlo> what about a usb creation station?
[21:34] <herlo> could we add that too them?
[21:34] <jds2001> doesnt the ambassador provide that?
[21:34] <gregdek> One big Fedora banner, three banners with the old
"freedom/infinity/voice" themes.
[21:34] <jds2001> im on a "usb creation station" right now :)
[21:34] <gregdek> jds2001: +1.  :)
[21:34] <herlo> jds2001: true, just not sure how that's working
[21:35] <gregdek> So miniEVENTBOX currently has 4 banners.
[21:35] <gregdek> What else goes into miniEVENTBOX to make it Real EVENTBOX?
[21:35] <gregdek> For now, anyway?
[21:35] <jds2001> probably some four F's posters
[21:35] <herlo> gregdek: I think we shoudl have some Ambassador Kits
in there for ambassadors who might show up to help.  They could take
one home with them.. refilling those shouldn't be too difficult
[21:35] <jtaber> maybe instead of kit vs box - could make 2-4
categories of events such as user group talk, mini conference, bigger
conference(ie booth)
[21:35] <f13> hi all
[21:35] <f13> meeting still going?
[21:35] <ke4qqq> sheets for contributor signup howto (the form emea uses?)
[21:35] <gregdek> herlo: are you referring to EVENTBOX?
[21:36] <herlo> gregdek: I am
[21:36] <herlo> jtaber: welcome
[21:36] <d33d> f13, yup
[21:36] <gregdek> Then you are suggesting multiple EVENTBOX?
[21:36] <gregdek> How many?
[21:37] <ke4qqq> 2
[21:37] <inode0> I don't see any reason for more than a couple
[21:37] <herlo> gregdek: more like an EVENTBOX with kits inside.  Just
one part of the EVENTBOX
[21:37] <ke4qqq> at least
[21:37] <herlo> +1 ke4qqq / inode0
[21:38] <ke4qqq> OSCON and Ottawa occurred too closely together to ship/carry
[21:38] <gregdek> That will happen again.
[21:38] <ke4qqq> exactly
[21:38] <herlo> and kits should be plentiful and available from
regional ambassadors to easily refill quickly
[21:38] <gregdek> OK.
[21:38] <gregdek> So:
[21:38] <inode0> maybe a few
[21:38] <MadBus> herlo, +1
[21:38] <gregdek> EVENTBOX x 2...
[21:38] <gregdek> KIT x as many as we can afford?
[21:38] * herlo is scared.  That's his region :)
[21:39] * gregdek is trying to drive to *exactly* what we're proposing
to produce.
[21:39] <gregdek> So forgive my didacticism.  :)
[21:39] <herlo> gregdek: shrinkwrapped kits should be reproducible,
once we decide what's inside
[21:39] <ke4qqq> Kit is stickers, media, perhaps shirts, new
contributor howto sheets
[21:39] <herlo> right
[21:40] <ke4qqq> pens?
[21:40] <MadBus> pens are cheap
[21:40] <jds2001> what happened to the banner that we had above our
table at the summit? is that in EVENTBOX already?
[21:40] <Karlie> why not have a go kit?  something simple and flat -
easy to mail
[21:40] <quaid> working out kit details is a good list activity
[21:40] <quaid> what is *not* in a kit but in an EVENTBOX
[21:40] <gregdek> quaid: So long as it happens in a trackable way.
[21:41] <quaid> gregdek: I mean, details of contents
[21:41] <Karlie> basic paper type objects - stickers, forms, etc and
leave the rest to an as-needed basis
[21:41] <quaid> N pens, Y shirts, etc.
[21:41] <herlo> Karlie: yeah, that's kind of the idea.  Something
small enough that it can be mailed with a small amounts of shipping
[21:41] <herlo> cost
[21:41] <gregdek> My fear is that we will meander.  At some point, we
need to come to closure and figure out what we're asking of FAMSCO,
and this is the kind of painful detail conversation that tends to die
onlist, ime.
[21:41] <Karlie> my ubuntu locos go bananas for stickers
[21:41] <Karlie> Media comes from us
[21:42] <Karlie> the rest is event specific
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[21:42] <ke4qqq> assign that to herlo and I as a task - we'll consult
the list but have it done by next meeting
[21:42] <gregdek> :)
[21:42] <gregdek> Done and done.
[21:42] * gregdek goes to update task list.
[21:42] <gregdek> While I'm doing that...
[21:42] <gregdek> * CDs and FAMSCO.
[21:43] <ke4qqq> ok I'll update
[21:43] <ke4qqq> iwolf isn't here
[21:43] <ke4qqq> he said FAMSCo is batting the idea around, no
conclusion yet, but meeting this week so perhaps we'll know then.
[21:43] <herlo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Drafts/NA/Tools
[21:43] <ke4qqq> eof
[21:43] <lcafiero> Sorry I'm new here: Can individual ambassadors add
things to kits? Reason I ask: Cabrillo College usually makes up
materials for events, and they did a Fedora event in May.
[21:44] <ke4qqq> lcafiero: yes
[21:44] <lcafiero> Cabrillo College GNU/Linux Users Group
[21:44] <ke4qqq> lcafiero: this is just to provide a uniform set of
minimum things needed easily
[21:44] <herlo> lets start adding items to that page, I'll garden it
and start a discussion on list
[21:44] <ke4qqq> k
[21:44] * herlo need another assignment :)
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[21:45] * herlo adds the page to his growing watch list.
[21:45] <herlo> sounds like moving forward time :)
[21:45] <ke4qqq> yes
[21:45] <gregdek> I'd say that any individual can augment their list
with whatever they want.  :)
[21:45] <herlo> gregdek: to a point
[21:46] <herlo> well, wait, I see what you mean
[21:46] <herlo> +1 gregdek
[21:46] <gregdek> You pay for it, you give it out!  No problem from me!  :)
[21:46] <herlo> they can create anythign they want nearby and include it sure
[21:46] <jtaber> good wiki page - a schedule of events would be good -
also shows progress
[21:46] <herlo> jtaber: evetns pages is already available
[21:46] <gregdek> OK, moving on.  Moving on?
[21:46] <gregdek> Ready?
[21:46] <Karlie> +1
[21:46] <MadBus> +1
[21:46] <LinuxKnight> +1
[21:47] <gregdek> * Ambassador Presence on Fedora Forums
[21:47] <herlo> jtaber: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events
[21:47] <gregdek> This should be a good one!
[21:47] <herlo> oh boy!
[21:47] <gregdek> Who proposed this one?
[21:47] <ke4qqq> I did
[21:47] * herlo runs away again
[21:47] <ke4qqq> after hearing the complaints on the list
[21:47] <inode0> what role do you want them to play?
[21:47] * jds2001 hides
[21:48] <ke4qqq> the problems listed are prima facie Ambassador
material - we are supposed to be the interface with the community, and
100k is more than we'll ever see at an event
[21:48] <quaid> darn your stinking logic!
[21:48] <ke4qqq> at the same time webforums scare me as well - hard to manage.
[21:48] * herlo doesn't disagree
[21:48] * jds2001 willing to help i guess
[21:48] <jds2001> but it is hard to manage
[21:48] <LinuxKnight> what were the complaints?  I might have missed that
[21:48] <quaid> this is not "help solve a specific tech problem" but
[21:48] <quaid> be an interface to the rest of Fedora?
[21:48] <herlo> I don't think we have to *manage* it
[21:49] <herlo> I think rather, we can point people in the right
direction as we can.
[21:49] <quaid> herlo: right; be named resources for forum staff and
have a presence to show you answer stuff
[21:49] <MadBus> ambassadors presence in #Fedora is good too
[21:49] <herlo> maybe we should consider an initiative to get
ambassadors and others to participate 1 hour a week
[21:49] <jds2001> since im not sure what the perceived disconnection
is, i cant really help (though im more than willing to try and solve
whatever problems might exizst)
[21:49] <herlo> or 1hr a month
[21:49] <ke4qqq> or communicate the 'pulse' upstream to devs or docs or.....
[21:49] * quaid is looking up the thread
[21:50] <herlo> MadBus: that's a totally different animal, but I don't disagree
[21:50] <quaid> jds2001 et al:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00216.html
[21:50] * inode0 is a bit disoriented
[21:50] <quaid> Problem:
[21:50] <gregdek> inode0: put your head between your knees and breathe.  :)
[21:51] <quaid> fedoraforum.org is a large community of Fedorans who
don't have a formal connection to the rest of the project?
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[21:51] <gregdek> Whose fault is that?
[21:51] <gregdek> Ours, I think.
[21:51] <gregdek> "Formal connection"... what does that mean?
[21:51] <quaid> eh
[21:51] <herlo> last I checked it was formal
[21:51] <quaid> here's an example
[21:51] <ke4qqq> yeah I agree - if nothing else we should be that connection.
[21:51] <quaid> in that thread, ppl said forum folk do not feel they
are valued as a resource
[21:51] <gregdek> Hm!
[21:52] <quaid> e.g., a link on the front of fp.o isn't "enough"
[21:52] <gregdek> That's a problem.
[21:52] <quaid> right, and I expect part of it is simply presence
[21:52] <herlo> every time I ask about a forum for users to discuss
stuff, its fedoraforum.org
[21:52] <gregdek> A fair point.  Ubuntu does a good job at this
particular thing.
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[21:52] <quaid> being there with a badge on your forum ID, "Fedora Ambassador"
[21:52] <ke4qqq> and this may be larger than what we can deal with -
but at the least we can try and make an appearance.
[21:52] <herlo> gregdek: they also own it
[21:52] <herlo> and run it
[21:52] <herlo> and babysit it
[21:52] <gregdek> Well, we've got this tricky thing:
[21:52] <herlo> and reward people for doing so
[21:53] <herlo> atta boy's but still
[21:53] <quaid> herlo: we can do the latter :)
[21:53] <herlo> +1
[21:53] <gregdek> fedoraforum.org is a great neutral ground,
completely unaffiliated with RH, where folks can safely talk about
Things That One Must Not Talk About.
[21:53] <gregdek> Which makes "formal" affiliation a bit tricky.
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[21:53] <f13> so here is a thought that we've been kicking around
[21:53] <quaid> gregdek: well, now
[21:54] <quaid> gregdek: I don't think it's like that; what we have
for linking out is good
[21:54] <f13> FAS could have something of a karma system, that loosely
tracks various things like IRC karma, and forum karma, and whatever
karma
[21:54] <quaid> but we don't really say as much as we can, "this is a
great community of Fedorans ready to help you,etc."
[21:54] <herlo> f13: +1
[21:54] <f13> the people helping out in those various areas will
inevitibly gain karma of some sort
[21:55] <f13> we can also have the kudos wall, where people in the
community can drop little snippits of kudos to folks, and like planet,
they would be aggregated to a site
[21:55] * gregdek thinks.
[21:55] <inode0> recalls acknowledging #rhel people at the summit -
was a great success I think
[21:55] <MadBus> f13, adding karma was discussed at a #fedora meeting recently
[21:55] <gregdek> How do we link ff.org folks to accounts in fas?  Do we bother?
[21:55] <gregdek> For karma purposes?
[21:55] <f13> now I'm one of those losers who is suggesting something,
without being able to produce code to back it up.
[21:55] <herlo> my question is, are these people who are currently
answering questions on ff.o already part of the fp.o?
[21:56] <f13> gregdek: ff.org members could list their FAS account
link for the sake of karma additions
[21:56] <f13> herlo: some may not be
[21:56] <herlo> that's what I was getting at +1 gregdek
[21:56] <jds2001> herlo: im sure that some are
[21:56] <f13> in fact, many are probably not
[21:56] <herlo> we should encourage them to become a part then...
[21:56] <f13> which might mean that the kudo wall feeds from forums as well
[21:56] <herlo> even if its only to get the karma
[21:56] <f13> if their software supports any such thing
[21:56] <gregdek> I know we're exposing more apis from fas every day...
[21:56] <ke4qqq> yeah we are potentially missing tons of contributors
[21:57] <quaid> I really want to see
[21:57] * herlo wants to promote those api's, but actually doesn't
know *anything* about them...
[21:57] <quaid> the wiki being used by fforum.org and #fedora
[21:57] <quaid> and I bet they will, given the chance and proper help/guidance
[21:57] <ke4qqq> quaid: yeah they just need a gentle shove......
[21:58] <quaid> ke4qqq: we're almost ready with the initial guidelines
[21:58] <herlo> quaid: I think the idea of getting a few ambassadors
on ff.o and starting to point to links on fp.o/wiki will help with
that
[21:58] * quaid tries not to look at ianweller, who will expose his dirty lie.
[21:58] <quaid> herlo: +1
[21:58] <ianweller> whut
[21:59] <gregdek> So it's easy to boil the ocean here.  What can we do now/soon?
[21:59] <quaid> ianweller: I'm claiming we are almost ready for
squadrons of fforum.org wiki writers
[21:59] <ke4qqq> So - do we add that as aNA requirement - have a ff
account? start spending an hour per week?
[21:59] <quaid> 1. Ask Ambasadors to do time/week on the forum
[21:59] * herlo thinks we can make that another area where ambassadors
should live (and not just NA Ambassadors)
[21:59] <ianweller> quaid: via what, openid or FAS?
[21:59] <quaid> 2. have a set of common and useful links to spread --
Help:Wiki_Editing, Join, etc.
[21:59] <herlo> ke4qqq: 1hr/month
[21:59] <herlo> to start
[22:00] <Karlie> -1 for doing time
[22:00] <quaid> ianweller: exactly, whichever is ready
[22:00] * ke4qqq repeatedly recalls hearing people complaining that no
events were in their area - this gives them involvement.
[22:00] <quaid> Karlie: "some?"
[22:00] <inode0> please don't require people to do things they may not
want to do
[22:00] * gregdek has to go afk for a bit... bbiab
[22:00] <Karlie> I'm zero at tech skills
[22:00] <herlo> its not a requirement
[22:00] <quaid> "Ask" is what I said :)
[22:00] <Karlie> i'm a marketing/sales kind of girl
[22:00] <herlo> its just another thing an ambassador (can)( do
[22:00] <ke4qqq> herlo: +1
[22:00] <quaid> Karlie: good point
[22:00] <quaid> !
[22:01] <Karlie> hanging out at FF would be dreadful for me
[22:01] <jds2001> -1 for time, I'm busy enough in Fedora as is :)
[22:01] <quaid> I'd like to point out that Ambassador involvement on
the forum shouldn't be seen as tech support
[22:01] * inode0 saw the word requirement right before you said ask :)
[22:01] <lcafiero> +1 quaid
[22:01] <gregdek> And here we have the problem.
[22:01] <ke4qqq> we need to document this, what we are ASKing for and
suggesting....
[22:01] <lcafiero> I am on #lindependence most of the day, I can visit
#fedora or wherever and monitor
[22:01] <quaid> the involvement should be as a rep -- point people to
stuff that exists, docs, freemedia, etc.
[22:01] <gregdek> What if we give Field Promotions to the folks at
ff.o who are *already* kicking ass by helping folks?
[22:02] <quaid> gregdek: yes, but that is a different thing
[22:02] <quaid> "The Fedora Helpers SIG" or something
[22:02] <jds2001> define a "Field Promotion" :)
[22:02] <quaid> Ambassador requires intention
[22:02] <ke4qqq> that doesn't inherently make them more connected
[22:02] <ke4qqq> just provides a title
[22:02] <gregdek> So let me ask this:
[22:02] <quaid> "You did me a damn good turn, Sharpe, so now I'm going
to do you a damn bad one!"
[22:02] <inode0> oh, I completely support giving ambassadors tasks
that they could choose - being lost is a terrible thing when one wants
to do something
[22:02] <gregdek> Is it actually a good idea for Ambassadors to take
on this duty, if precious few of the ambassadors here actually want to
do it?
[22:03] <ke4qqq> is anyone actually against it?
[22:03] <quaid> I think there is a "what this task is" definition problem
[22:03] <gregdek> "this task" == "be the front end for #fedora or ff.o"
[22:03] <herlo> ?
[22:03] <quaid> and, as was said, this is a good way to do events
without travel :)
[22:03] * jds2001 not against it
[22:03] <gregdek> Of course no one is *against* it.  But who's
actually going to *do* it?
[22:03] <ke4qqq> how about "be an interface to fp.o"
[22:03] <quaid> look
[22:03] <quaid> I'll troll through the forum
[22:04] <quaid> once a week
[22:04] <quaid> looking for major stuff
[22:04] <herlo> What ever happened to the task list idea for Seneca
College?  Is that still going strong?
[22:04] <quaid> but we do need the Staff
[22:04] <quaid> etc., to bring things to our attention
[22:04] <herlo> shouldn't we have a task list too?
[22:04] <ke4qqq> yeah we need to make contact with ff.o staff.
[22:04] <herlo> things that *need* to get done, things that *can* get
done, etc.  Not a list of what we're doing, but ongoing things
[22:05] <MadBus> herlo, +1
[22:05] <ke4qqq> the musts (FAS, CLA) the shoulds (planet feed) and
the cans (events, ff.o monitoring)
[22:05] <Karlie> when I was with the red cross we defined it as Must
services, Should services and Can services
[22:05] <inode0> sounds good to me
[22:06] <herlo> ke4qqq: and f am meetings could go under the shoulds
[22:06] <herlo> ke4qqq: I likes
[22:06] <herlo> +1 Karlie
[22:06] <ke4qqq> I may draft a page for next meeting
[22:06] <herlo> ke4qqq: lets add this to the NA Tasks
[22:06] <herlo> for YOU! :)
[22:06] <LinuxKnight> +1 must, should, can
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[22:07] <ke4qqq> herlo: ok
[22:07] <gregdek> ke4qqq: So what am I adding, exactly?
[22:08] <ke4qqq> :) that I'll document musts, shoulds, cans for NA Ambassadors
[22:08] <gregdek> Okeydoke.
[22:08] <ke4qqq> and have ready for review by next meeting
[22:08] <herlo> ke4qqq: I'll help you, just ping me
[22:08] <ke4qqq> ohhh another task for herlo?
[22:09] <gregdek> Which covers the agenda topic "Ambassador Presence
on Fedora Forums", I presume?
[22:09] <ke4qqq> yes
[22:09] <gregdek> OK.
[22:09] <gregdek> Then moving on?
[22:09] <herlo> ke4qqq: no, I'm just a particularly online guy
[22:09] <herlo> gregdek: +1
[22:09] <ke4qqq> yes
[22:09] <gregdek> * Fedora Ambassadors Day!
[22:09] <herlo> yay!
[22:09] <inode0> yay!
[22:09] <herlo> Lets have one!
[22:09] <ke4qqq> FAD - iwolf is absent - he is planning on setting up
a FAD and Ohio Linux Fest - promises email and wiki page soon
[22:09] <MadBus> woot
[22:10] <lcafiero> +1
[22:10] * herlo votes for that day
[22:10] * inode0 agrees
[22:10] <ke4qqq> s/and/at
[22:10] <jds2001> hmm, i'd love to go
[22:10] <jds2001> but somehow plane tickets are expensive right now
[22:10] * jds2001 could probably muster it though
[22:10] * herlo wondres one thing, is it possible to get some event
funding to have a NA FAD every year?  Kind of like a mini-FUDCon for
Ambassdors?
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[22:11] <jds2001> why not do it *at* FUDCon
[22:11] <quaid> I would expect, yes, increasingly over time
[22:11] <herlo> not a ton, just a little to get those there that can't?
[22:11] <gregdek> Yes, why not do it at FUDCon?
[22:11] <herlo> or hlep in some form
[22:11] * herlo isn't against that, just there isn't one left for 2008
[22:11] * jds2001 also committed to Central PA opensource conference or somesuch
[22:11] <herlo> FUDCon, thta is
[22:12] <quaid> maybe we can get a corporate sponsorship, like from
Vans -- "Fedora Ambassadors eXtreme Daze!!"
[22:12] <herlo> quaid: FAXD?
[22:12] <jds2001> lol
[22:12] <MadBus> haha
[22:12] <inode0> not having FAD at FUDcon has some plusses
[22:13] <herlo> I think we could do this one at LFO, and then do one
in the Raleigh FUDCon's every year after that?
[22:13] <inode0> assuming it is colocated with another conference
[22:13] <Karlie> we can have it in my back yard :-D
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[22:13] <herlo> Karlie: where do you live again?
[22:13] <jds2001> Karlie: where you at? :)
[22:13] <Karlie> rochest
[22:13] <Karlie> rochester ny
[22:13] <herlo> NY would be nice
[22:13] <Karlie> by the lake
[22:13] <jds2001> hop skip and a jump for me
[22:13] <f13> hella expensive though
[22:13] * jds2001 in NYC metro
[22:13] <Karlie> not the city the state
[22:14] <inode0> FUDcon never leaves one part of the country, which is
a bit of an issue to some
[22:14] <Karlie> I"m closer to toronto than nyc
[22:14] <gregdek> What other conferences do people want to go to?
[22:14] <herlo> inode0: that's a good point
[22:14] <inode0> may change with the summit though
[22:14] <lcafiero> Linux World? Short notice, I know
[22:14] <jds2001> gregdek: you're handling the logistics for the
Central PA one, right?
[22:14] <lcafiero> NY is far for us Californians
[22:14] <MadBus> we could meet in the middle
[22:14] <MadBus> Chicago?
[22:14] * herlo thinks FAD should maybe be Regional?
[22:15] <ke4qqq> OH is considered MidWest isn't it?
[22:15] <f13> gregdek: the cons that make sense to me for Fedora is
FUDCon, RH Summit to an extent, Linux Symposium, OSCon, SCALE, (Linux
Fest Northwest)
[22:15] <herlo> one every 6 months in a region...
[22:15] <gregdek> jds2001: I think that loupgaroublond is taking over
that event.
[22:15] <herlo> ke4qqq: it is
[22:15] <gregdek> f13: Yeah, that's a good list.
[22:15] * ke4qqq wonders if there are enough ambassadors in each
region for that at this point. We aren't like France yet.
[22:15] <inode0> ke4qqq: not by people from the Midwest :)
[22:15] * herlo points to UTOSC :) for f13 and gregdek (shameless
self-promotion)
[22:15] <f13> UTOSC?
[22:15] <herlo> f13: check the events page
[22:15] <lcafiero> Utah.
[22:16] <herlo> Utah Open Source Conference
[22:16] <gregdek> Heh.
[22:16] <f13> oh, there is also a show that Chris Tyler was advertising.
[22:16] <gregdek> Yeah, that will be a big one too.
[22:16] <gregdek> So let's have a FAD at EVERY EVENT!
[22:16] <gregdek> Sigh.
[22:16] <lcafiero> +10 in binary
[22:16] <herlo> lol, I think my idea was a good one...
[22:16] <f13> herlo: ah right, so there are things like UTOSC, Indiana
has a show, uh..
[22:16] <lcafiero> Ohio, Ontario . . .
[22:16] <f13> I thikn there are a lot of regional shows like that, and
I would lump Linux Fest Northwest into it.
[22:16] <Karlie> so every event = drinks someplace?  wait that's what we do now
[22:16] <herlo> f13: we're only in year two, and we're growing massively...
[22:17] <inode0> why not start with OLF, try to get as many there as
possible for a kickoff ...
[22:17] <f13> I see mostly thee catagories of shows
[22:17] <MadBus> f13, Indiana has a show?
[22:17] <jtaber> FWIW I think FUDCon is right place - those that can
get together at UTOS or Ohio so much the better
[22:17] <herlo> Regional FADs don't have to coincide with events, but
there are enough opportunities probalby
[22:17] <f13> there are the major shows like FUDCon and RH Summit,
then there are the larger shows that people travel for, like (O)LS,
OScon, SCALE, and then there are the more regional shows that draw
from, well, a region, like ohio, utos, lfnw, etc..
[22:18] <herlo> and it'd be nice to get some ppl coming from other
regions on occasion.
[22:18] <herlo> f13: yeah, it seems to me that regional shows is where
FADs could be held.
[22:19] <f13> MadBus: they did in '07 http://www.ussg.iu.edu/linuxfest/
[22:19] <gregdek> So where are we on this conversation?  Regional FADs, maybe?
[22:19] <gregdek> Utah can be the France of NA Ambassadors.  :)
[22:19] <f13> MadBus: also many previous years.  I spoke at one 'round
the FC2/3 era
[22:19] <herlo> gregdek: uh...
[22:19] <herlo> okay...
[22:19] <f13> herlo: makes sense to me, capturing the A's of the region
[22:19] <MadBus> f13, cool, I'll look into that with IU
[22:20] * stickster just fell asleep in front of computer, now deserting
[22:20] <ke4qqq> gregdek: iwolf proposed one - nothing else other than
the announcement. shall we vote on that proposal - or vote to do one
at next fudcon?
[22:20] <herlo> lets put this as an item to add to the ml this week
and see where it goes?
[22:20] <lcafiero> +1
[22:20] <gregdek> Sure.
[22:20] <gregdek> Who's got the ball?
[22:20] <herlo> which?
[22:20] <jds2001> the big beach ball
[22:21] <jds2001> seriosuly, regional FAD's I guess
[22:21] <inode0> let's see what iWolf sends out and maybe discuss it a
bit on the list?!
[22:21] * herlo hits at it, but misses.  Damned uncoordinated ambassador arms!
[22:21] <herlo> list +1
[22:21] <jds2001> that's ok, mine's busted
[22:21] <jds2001> (arm that is)
[22:22] <herlo> jds2001: still?
[22:22] <herlo> and I thought it was the shoulder
[22:22] <jds2001> oh yeah. had surgery about a month ago
[22:22] <herlo> I read
[22:22] <jds2001> yeah, it's the shoulder
[22:22] <Karlie> topic?
[22:22] <ke4qqq> gregdek: we'll await iwolf announcement and assign
the task to him
[22:22] <gregdek> All righty.
[22:22] <gregdek> Moving on?
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[22:22] <ke4qqq> yes
[22:22] <herlo> yep
[22:22] <Karlie> +1
[22:22] <gregdek> * Events!
[22:23] * gregdek likes the idea of discussing events monthly and
making that the SOLE topic for that meeting, fwiw.
[22:23] * herlo is here because this section will be exciting!
[22:23] * ianweller commences lurking
[22:23] <herlo> gregdek: lets do it
[22:23] <ke4qqq> btw, this hopefully isn't event report...... though
perhaps at the monthly meeting....but what we could do better for past
events and whats needed for future ones.
[22:23] <herlo> gregdek: 1st meeting of the month?
[22:24] <gregdek> herlo: That could work.
[22:24] <gregdek> What do other folks think?
[22:24] <ianweller> +1 to that, makes sense
[22:24] <Karlie> +1
[22:24] <ke4qqq> +9 (9 is our range right?)
[22:24] <ianweller> lol
[22:24] * herlo points out that it would be next week
[22:24] <lcafiero> +1
[22:24] <LinuxKnight> +1
[22:25] <jds2001> +1
[22:25] <gregdek> Then let's talk events next week!
[22:25] <ke4qqq> so are we tabling that til next week
[22:25] * herlo will adjust the meetings page with this detail..
[22:25] <ianweller> herlo: \o/
[22:25] <ke4qqq> One note though - we MUST get any events for next
quarter on by aug 1
[22:26] <gregdek> True dat.
[22:26] <ke4qqq> so if you want a release party, or $event and need
stuff for it, it needs to be on the list
[22:26] <ke4qqq> thats only a couple days away -
[22:26] * jds2001 would love to do a NYC release party
[22:26] <jds2001> dcolish: you in for that?
[22:27] <dcolish> absolutely!
[22:27] <ke4qqq> I'll also note that EMEA has almost 4x the number of
events, LATAM 2 or 3x and APAC even has more than we do.
[22:27] <dcolish> pick a date, just not aug 7th
[22:27] <inode0> is it possible to just budget some amount for all
release parties and let them organize later?
[22:27] * MadBus would love to do an Indy release party.
[22:27] <jds2001> dcolish: sometime after release :)
[22:27] <jds2001> October timeframe
[22:27] <dcolish> ha, oops
[22:27] <ke4qqq> gregdek: thoughts on inode0's question?
[22:27] <inode0> as we get more ambassadors involved this might be a
good first event but they perhaps won't be on the bus by the 1st
[22:28] <herlo> gregdek: ke4qqq if we add an event, does it have to have a date?
[22:28] <ke4qqq> it does have to have an owner - and it will be in a
given quarter by definition I suppose
[22:28] <herlo> I think I can say that I'd want an installfest/release
party in mid/late November, but I don't have the dates solid yet
[22:29] * gregdek brb
[22:29] <ke4qqq> neither do I - planning a quarter our is difficult
[22:29] * herlo thinks it will actually be in Idaho because we're
getting a good bit of interest from there...
[22:30] <ke4qqq> s/ahead/our/
[22:30] <gregdek> Hm.  Budget questions.
[22:30] <gregdek> It's a bit of chicken and egg.
[22:30] <gregdek> We need to at least take a guess.  How many release
parties?  How much per party?
[22:30] <herlo> I can plan a quarter ahead, just can't guarantee the
*exact* date....
[22:30] <gregdek> And I must admit that I'm not up on the latest
numbers for that stuff in EMEA.
[22:31] <f13> can we get some estimates from previous parties?
[22:31] <gregdek> This sounds like a FAMSCO question.
[22:31] <herlo> gregdek: what was last quarter's budget for that?
[22:31] <herlo> we could semi-base it on previous numbers
[22:31] <ke4qqq> so the action item for people is: put up a release
party on the event page with details you know now so we get budget for
it.
[22:31] <ke4qqq> IF you'll be having one
[22:31] <herlo> we need to blog about it/put it on the ml
[22:32] <herlo> today/tomorrow
[22:32] <ke4qqq> yep!
[22:32] * herlo sidesteps and lets others take this one...
[22:32] <Karlie> sorry all, but I have to go get my beauty sleep
[22:32] <ke4qqq> I'll blog and post mailing list
[22:32] <herlo> Karlie: sleep well
[22:33] <Karlie> ty - good night
[22:33] <-- Karlie has left this channel.
[22:33] <gregdek> All right, it's probably time for me to bail too, actually.
[22:33] <gregdek> I've got to get some presentation stuff done for
tomorrow still.
[22:33] <-- dcolish has left this server ("dinner time").
[22:33] <gregdek> Do others want to continue?
[22:33] <ke4qqq> this is the last item and I think we have our action item
[22:33] <lcafiero> What's left?
[22:33] <herlo> i'm here
[22:33] <herlo> lcafiero: this is it
[22:34] <ke4qqq> but if we have AOB
[22:34] <ke4qqq> we can continue
[22:34] <herlo> AOB?
[22:34] <ke4qqq> Any other business
[22:34] * herlo tried to figure it out first, I promise
[22:34] <lcafiero> heh
[22:34] * quaid thinks 1.5 hrs is enuff :)
[22:34] <herlo> ke4qqq: you and I could go for another hour easy.
[22:35] <ke4qqq> yeah.
[22:35] <lcafiero> quaid =1
[22:35] <lcafiero> +1
[22:35] <ke4qqq> quaid: I tried to keep it to 10minutes per item but
....ohhh well
[22:35] <lcafiero> (sticking shift key)
[22:35] <ke4qqq> people ignored my admon
[22:35] <inode0> one more question
[22:35] <herlo> ke4qqq: I didn't
[22:36] <ke4qqq> people excepting herlp
[22:36] <ke4qqq> herlo
[22:36] * herlo tried to move things forward.  I think part of it is
that we're still getting going again.  This was very successful
[22:36] <ke4qqq> yeah I have no complaints
[22:36] <inode0> letters going out to old ambassadors should include
anything specific? or general hello, can we help you do some stuff?
[22:36] <ke4qqq> inode0: your question?
[22:36] <lcafiero> Good meeting
[22:36] <herlo> as we continue forward, we'll have a better rhythm
[22:36] <herlo> inode0: we have a formmail if you'd like to use it
[22:36] <quaid> yeah, lots to cover, takes time, all good!
[22:36] <ke4qqq> inode0: I'll send you what I am sending (herlo edited
it heavily - actually reauthored it)
[22:36] <herlo> ke4qqq: lol, yeah
[22:37] <inode0> ok, thanks
[22:38] <ke4qqq> anything else from anyone?
[22:38] <jtaber> not much discussion as to what could be done on
campuses - maybe if no one else working I'll see what i can do
[22:38] <quaid> jtaber: there is lots of discussion going on around that
[22:38] <herlo> jtaber: that's coming, we should put that on the
agenda for two weeks from now
[22:38] <lcafiero> Did I miss that item?
[22:38] <ke4qqq> jtaber: inode0 has discussed that heavily
[22:38] <quaid> yeah, it's YetAnotherImportantTopic
[22:38] <lcafiero> <--- president of college lug
[22:38] * quaid is about to drift out of here
[22:39] <ke4qqq> quaid: thanks for attending
[22:39] * gregdek comes back.
[22:39] <herlo> jtaber: quaid: we have discussions going on, but It'd
be nice if there were a way for us  to focus on that sort of thing as
well
[22:39] <gregdek> Looking for work items I failed to document...
[22:39] <inode0> lets put several outreach topics on future agendas
[22:39] * herlo looks at gregdek's list
[22:39] <inode0> try to get jack to speak with us about campus outreach
[22:40] <ke4qqq> inode0: I think the next few agendas are up (right
herlo?) feel free to add them to the agenda.
[22:40] <inode0> also other community outreach, NPOs etc.
[22:40] <jds2001> inode0: i just sent you what ke4qqq sent me
[22:40] <herlo> ke4qqq: they aren't, but I can do that tonight
[22:40] <ke4qqq> inode0: also if it's something that requires lots of
discussion input ML could be better.
[22:40] <herlo> gregdek: I think some things are missing, who's gonna
post this on the list btw and od the summary?
[22:40] <herlo> *do
[22:41] <ke4qqq> I'll do post and summary.
[22:41] <inode0> campus outreach is tricky since there is something of
an official effort underway that we don't know details of
[22:41] <herlo> FAD isn't on the task list for iWolf
[22:41] <gregdek> inode0: EMAIL JACK NOW.
[22:41] <gregdek> herlo: I thought you said wait...?
[22:42] <herlo> gregdek: he needs to announce and that was ke4qqq who said wait
[22:42] <herlo> we're waiting for him
[22:42] <herlo> him == iWolf
[22:43] <herlo> gregdek: another task list item, Remind ppl on ml
about q3 budgets for events / release parties, etc
[22:43] <herlo> and blogs too
[22:43] * gregdek edits...
[22:43] <herlo> ke4qqq: any other items I missed?  still scrolling back


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