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Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Student partnership program. Extending fedora mentor program to students.



"""""hi Ankur Srivastava,

Im sorry but youre not aware of the fact that your script did also fail at some places..Plus it was a completely offline install which meant that the software it installed was outdated quickly.. have you updated it?? Is a new script available?? Just makein a script isnt enough.. Also giving people a script to set up their system is not the right way of doing things.. Why you spoon feeding them?? Help them .. its a different matter altogether.. How many people know how to install ndiswrapper manually?? not any of the ones who used your script.. "what is modprobe".. do they know?? During the install fest i was busy setting up my laptop without your script..I did everythin myself.. from ndiswrapper to compiz-fusion.. and i learnt tons in the process adn came across a lot of resources that i can use.. that is what we are talking about here.. "how are people going to learn??" ..

What i suggest is to help people by sharing your knowledge on  the already available applications as well as the internals..

please refrain from personalized comments here.. its an open discussion.. you can email me personally as sanjay_ankur yahoo co in for that..

regards,

Ankur"""""

i know i should have send you the mail personally, i am sorry for that but i need to answer your question for all one by one

Q1 - Im sorry but youre not aware of the fact that your script did also fail at some places???
ANS - I tested the script around 6 times by doing a fresh Fedora Install ( and applying Updates) on my Laptop and if it didnt worked then y didn't you tell me if i was not aware of it, you were you should have told be that this sort of problem was there

Q2 - Plus it was a completely offline install which meant that the software it installed was outdated quickly
ANS - As you know that the script was made for LUG Manipal's Install Fest so as to help people have a basic setup of Fedora available with them ( preferably in dual boot mode ), so that they can learn about a world about the propertery softwares. and as we were not by any chance able to provide all the 50+ people with Internet connection ( as the only support we get from College is a place to meet and nothing else ) we had to go for a Offline script (and also we knew how long will it take them to download form the net at the speeds that we get at our rooms)
regarding Updates- updates till Jan First week were included in the script and install fest was in jan end so it was only a few weeks old and if you have used it you must have noticed the first thing it asks you to do is to Update your Kernel

Q3 - have you updated it?? Is a new script available??
ANS - Yes i update my script in mid Feb when i came to know about an issue with some KDE packages and in newer Kernel 2.6.24+ 2D support for our card ( ATI 1250 ) is there so that wont be a problem any more

Q4 - Just makein a script isnt enough..
Ans - i agree with you that is y we took many workshops like Managing and using Linux, LAMP, PHP etc....

Q5 - Also giving people a script to set up their system is not the right way of doing things.. Why you spoon feeding them?? Help them .. its a different matter altogether.. How many people know how to install ndiswrapper manually?? not any of the ones who used your script..??
ANS - if giving script was not the right way then what was.
As you are aware that our Lappy's config ( with ATI 1250 and brodcom 5312 ) is not what one will ask you to use linux on, at that time xorg will crash on ATI 1250 leaving you in the command mode ( which was not good for making there concept clear that linux is not all command line ) and Brodcom 5312 module which does not have any working Linux driver, because of which they had no net and as there is (mostely) no LAN and all WiFi do you expect first timers to search for all stuff download all dependencies etc
about how manny people know howto install ndiswrapper i will give you example of one guy Shoumen, He had only heard of Linux before he got it from one of my friend and now he has more knowledge about ndiswrapper and kernel modules then most of people you know, i installed Fedora and Ubunu in his lappy, spoon feeded him dont you think so

Q6 - During the install fest i was busy setting up my laptop without your script..I did everythin myself.. from ndiswrapper to compiz-fusion.. and i learnt tons in the process adn came across a lot of resources that i can use
ANS - its very good to hear that but dont you think that you should have been there at that time or any other workshop which we( LUG Manipal ) conducted, if not attending but helping us, sharing resources that you have discovered with all other people, helping them?????

Let me ask you one thing now that you have learned so much how have you contributed back to it, i have installed Linux on 100+ people's PC/Laptop's and more then 20 use it regurely dont you think you should do something, simply saying that this has to be done, that needs to be done wont help, you will have to come out do something and  I hope now that you know all this you will help it progress further......

sorry again for spamming this topic, I wont be posting to this topic anymore but only be reading this, feel free to contact me on my mail
Thank you
Ankur Shrivastava
ankur [ at ] ankurs.com
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