[Ambassadors] IRC Log of FAMSCo Meeting - 14 Mar 2008
Francesco Ugolini
fugolini at fedoraproject.org
Sun Mar 16 08:51:14 UTC 2008
2008/3/15, John Babich <jmbabich at gmail.com>:
> <fugolin1> hi, just 2 mins
> <spevack> hi francesco
> <fabian_a> hi guys
> <jmbuser> hi everybody
> <fugolin1> ok, i think the others will join us in the next minutes
> <fugolin1> we can start
> * cebbert (n=cebbert at nat/redhat/x-5e55eba896d60c17) has joined #fedora-meeting
> <fugolin1> It's time for the roll call
> <fugolin1> FrancescoUgolini
> <jmbuser> JohnBabich
> <fabian_a> FabianAffolter
> <spevack> MaxSpevack
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> so cheap, I bet you look under the bed in the morning to see if you
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> * spevack thinks things have been going pretty well overall the last
> few weeks for famsco. lots of good progress
> <fugolin1> Unfortunately Jeffrey can't join the meeting due to work issues
> <fugolin1> spevack: this sounds good :)
> <fugolin1> Before we start with the agenda i want to know who will log
> this meeting
> <fugolin1> last week was John
> <fugolin1> is ok for you to do this again ?
> <fugolin1> John = jmbuser
> <jmbuser> fugolini: No problem
> <fugolin1> thank you
> <fugolin1> Today's agenda:
> <fugolin1> 1. Events Budgets status (to be defined in the list)
> <fugolin1> 2. Wiki Pages Cleanup status
> <fugolin1> 3. Ambassadors Project status (events, activities etc...)
> <fugolin1> 1. As i said Jeffrey can't be here
> <spevack> well, i think we pretty much worked out all that budget
> stuff on the mailing list, and Jeffrey will send it to ambassadors
> list this weekend
> <fugolin1> He is working hard defining great budget policies
> <fugolin1> sorry but i'm typing on a real small keyboard
> <fugolin1> spevack: do you want to say something about it ?
> <spevack> well, just one quick thing
> <spevack> i think that once jeffrey sends it to the list.
> <spevack> it is important to remember that we have been thinking about
> this for a week or two now
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> <spevack> other ambassadors might have questions, and let's make sure
> that we take time to watch the mailing list and help people understand
> <spevack> I think that we need to be open to suggestions too
> <spevack> the entire point of the process around getting th Events page updated
> <spevack> one month before the quarter starts
> <spevack> is that so everyone can make sure that we are using our money well
> <spevack> the processes we are proposing are not too complicated
> <spevack> but i want to make sure people know that we are open to feedback
> <spevack> EOF
> <fugolin1> Surely i will personally work overe there, i love feedbacks :)
> <fugolin1> thank you Maxù
> <fugolin1> Ok, personally what i had to say about it is on the M-L
> <fugolin1> take a look at it
> <fugolin1> Let's go on
> <fugolin1> 2. Wiki Pages Cleanup status
> <fugolin1> Today i want to spend some time over this issue
> <fugolin1> because it was a little bit undertaken
> <fugolin1> and i was one of the people that undertook this
> <fugolin1> During the last meeting i gave a deadline
> <spevack> can i ask a quick question
> <spevack> since i missed the last meeting?
> <fugolin1> yep
> <spevack> Is the goal basically to look at every page under
> Ambassadors/* on the wiki, determine if it is still useful, should be
> deleted, needs updating, etc?
> <fugolin1> this is the first task we wanted to take care
> <spevack> i think that is a very good idea
> <spevack> and one that we are hoping that various Steering committees
> for all sub-projects will do with their part of the wiki.
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> <spevack> Here is what I was thinking about doing. Francesco, you can
> tell me what you think
> <MrTom> ThomasCanniot
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> <MrTom> (sorry for being late)
> <fugolin1> it's an hard job, but we have to divide the work between us
> <fugolin1> MrTom: np
> <bop80medic> +
> <spevack> I was simply going to do a search on the wiki for all the
> pages under Ambassadors/* and make a list of pages that I think could
> be ok to delete, put those in a list, and let people consider it.
> <spevack> EOF
> <bop80medic> !
> <spevack> bop80medic: go ahead
> <fugolin1> spevack: good, i created i small wiki page you can see
> here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/CleanUpPages
> <fugolin1> bop80medic:
> <spevack> fugolin1: i will add to it
> <bop80medic> I am a bit late.. and I have to go on here
> <bop80medic> I am AndreasR
> <fugolin1> happy to see you
> <bop80medic> we change our corenetwork this weekend and I have to go
> one with some work
> <bop80medic> so I can not participate our meeting
> <fugolin1> bop80medic: after the meeting we will send to Ambs and
> FAmSCo list the log
> <bop80medic> eof
> <bop80medic> thx a lot, sorry
> <bop80medic> but I have still a lot things to plan
> <bop80medic> will read the log and communicate throught our mailinglist
> <bop80medic> eof
> <fugolin1> I think everyone at famsco (except who is working in other
> task, like budget, but they are accepted if they want to work )
> <fugolin1> so thanks max
> <fugolin1> :)
> <jmbuser> !
> <fugolin1> jmbuser:
> <bop80medic> thx too ... will leave now.. have a good meeting
> <jmbuser> I can do some wiki cleanup too
> <jmbuser> eof
> <fugolin1> now it's only listing, but after we will finish such task
> we will start working over it
> <spevack> fugolin1: i think the wiki cleanup is important, and i will help!
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> <fugolin1> so, i think we could spend 10 minutes per day browsing the wiki
> <fugolin1> the next task will be the concrete activity
> <spevack> fugolin1: let's make it a goal to have a list of all the
> pages under Ambassadors/* that we think either should be deleted or
> that are "questionable" for next week?
> <fabian_a> +1
> <jmbuser> +1
> <fugolin1> +1 too
> <spevack> there are only about 300 pages, and most of them are meeting
> logs, so it won't be too hard
> <spevack> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMain?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=Ambassadors&titlesearch=Titles
> <fugolin1> so, the next task after the listing will be the cleanup work
> <fugolin1> i think we could ask for a wide partecipation off all Ambs proj
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> <fugolin1> my personal idea is that we have to create a soustenable
> way to update
> <fugolin1> faster and frequently
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> <fugolin1> it's not possible to have a lot of outdated pages and
> noboday takes care of it
> <fugolin1> FAmSCo will coordinate the work, it would be responsible
> for some "sensible" pages
> <fugolin1> and the other pages would be updated by the other ambs.
> <fugolin1> eof
> <fugolin1> What do you think?
> <spevack> fugolin1: sounds like a decent plan. i'm sure it will work
> out, especially once we start to identify pages
> <jmbuser> !
> <fugolin1> jmbuser:
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> <jmbuser> Is everyone familiar with how to track wiki changes using a wildcard?
> <jmbuser> eof
> * spevack is
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> <spevack> It's in your UserPreferences page
> <jmbuser> spevack: correct
> <spevack> If you put "Ambassadors.*" for example, then you will get an
> email when any page with Ambassadors in it changes.
> <spevack> just in case anyone doesn't know
> <jmbuser> spevack: That was my point - thanks
> <fugolin1> i tracked some pages in the past
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> <fugolin1> i'm using this tool in wikipedia
> <fugolin1> but this is offtopic
> <jmbuser> !
> <fugolin1> The next meeting we will discuss about the result of the first part
> <fugolin1> jmbuser
> <jmbuser> We should remind people of this facility when we ask for
> help on the list
> <jmbuser> eof
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> <fugolin1> yes
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> <fugolin1> I think we have to take care of this issue this week, i
> invite everyone to report everything he thinks important concerning
> this issue
> <RodrigoPadula> hi all!
> <RodrigoPadula> sorry.. im late
> <fugolin1> it's important that everyone knows the opinion of the other
> <fugolin1> RodrigoPadula: np
> <fugolin1> *others
> <fugolin1> if nobody has other questions we can go ahead
> <fugolin1> ok ?
> <fugolin1> 3
> <fugolin1> 2
> <fugolin1> 1
> <fugolin1> 3. Ambassadors Project status (events, activities etc...)
> <fugolin1> the last year we didn't have a lot of FAmSCo meetings
> <fugolin1> i think it could be a good idea to have a small space to
> discuss briefly about less important issues etc...
> <fugolin1> I want to start with a simple one: Fedora Ambassadors Voice posters
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> <fugolin1> thanks to Nicubunu (he made a great job) we had some cool posters
> <jmbuser> +1
> <fugolin1> As jeffrey remembered the flag template doesn't follow our policies
> <fugolin1> so i think we could accept two posters the Post-It one and
> the Face one
> <fugolin1> i think we could produce some of them and put at some events
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> <fugolin1> to sponsorize our sub-project
> <fugolin1> that's all
> <spevack> +1
> <RodrigoPadula> +1
> <jmbuser> +1
> <spevack> this is exactly the sort of stuff that our $12k per quarter
> budget is for.
> <fugolin1> good :)
> <fugolin1> The next small issue is FAmSCo member events partecipations
> <fugolin1> i think all we had to know where FAmSCo is
> <fugolin1> just to have an ideas to improve our presence in certain
> countries/regions
> <fugolin1> i don't know if you agree with me
> <fugolin1> that's only a proposal
> <fugolin1> tell me
> <fugolin1> +1
> <spevack> here is what i think
> <spevack> FAMSCo members should try to get to at least one or two
> events a year that are relatively close to their location.
> <fab_a> !
> <spevack> most famsco members already do FAR MORE than this
> <spevack> especially in europe
> <spevack> eof
> <spevack> like fabian for example :)
> <MrTom> you sure ? :)
> <spevack> and you too tom ;)
> <MrTom> roll on next one :)
> <RodrigoPadula> !
> <fugolin1> unfortunately this year was not good for me (expecially in
> may/june due to exams)
> <fugolin1> i will try to carry the second part of year events
> <fugolin1> *BIG events
> <fugolin1> i will also work in Italy (but with smallest ones)
> <spevack> fugolin1: it's no problem. i will be there too, which will
> help with having more people at events.
> <spevack> in EMEA
> <fab_a> i attend an event mostly as an ambassador and not as a member
> of famsco. of course i'm a member of famsco but the visitors don't
> care about that :-)
> <fugolin1> RodrigoPadula:
> <RodrigoPadula> here in brazil i'm covering all important events (see
> the events list)
> <RodrigoPadula> and now, i'm working to improve and support the latin
> american events and communities
> <spevack> I think we have done a very good job of having people who
> are active leaders in Ambassadors end up on FAMSCo. And also, FAMSCo
> has a very global makeup.
> <RodrigoPadula> this year.. will be a good year for fedora in the latin america
> <spevack> US, EMEA, South America, etc.
> <jmbuser> !
> <RodrigoPadula> eof
> <fugolin1> jmbuser:
> <spevack> and that is important -- because Greg and I -- our goal from
> *Red Hat* is to ensure that Fedora continues to glow globally, not
> just in the USA.
> <spevack> s/glow/grow
> <spevack> EOF
> <skvidal> I like glow
> <jmbuser> I can cover Middle East and South Asia fairly easily - and
> parts of Africa if needed
> <fugolin1> I think we could map the avaiability
> <jmbuser> I think GITEX in Dubai was a success and would like to do it
> again this Autumn
> <jmbuser> EOF
> <spevack> jmbuser: +1
> <fugolin1> of FAmSCo members
> <spevack> jmbuser: i want to come :)
> <RodrigoPadula> we are improving the resources to support the latin
> american community: now we have magazines in Portugues and Spanish,
> Fórum, Web sites and others
> <RodrigoPadula> FISL will be great!!! With Greg, me, David, and others
> <jmbuser> spevack: You're always welcome :-)
> <fugolin1> I think we have to be able to make some presentations at the events
> <RodrigoPadula> Max, you need to come to Brazil ;-)
> <spevack> RodrigoPadula: at some point I will... Greg will be there
> this year! As you know, my focus is going to be on Europe, so i will
> be over there... but some day ;)
> <RodrigoPadula> ;-)
> <fugolin1> it's all ok?
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> <fugolin1> i think we have to be able to make some presentations at the events
> <fugolin1> i know our primarily work is not to promote ambs project
> <RodrigoPadula> i'm presenting 2 or 3 Lectures by event
> <fugolin1> but i think our project is an innvoative one
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> <jmbuser> !
> <spevack> it is my belief that the most *valuable* events are not ones
> where the is only a booth, but where we have a Birds of a Feather
> session, or a Q&A, or various opportunities to speak or give a talk
> <RodrigoPadula> +1
> <fugolin1> i think we could make some slides that everyone at famsco
> could use to start
> <fugolin1> i think people could be interested by such discussions
> <spevack> !
> <fugolin1> spevack:
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> <spevack> my opinion -- it is moderately useful to try to make slides
> for people, but overall i am not sure how useful this is
> <spevack> everyone has a different presentation style
> <RodrigoPadula> +1
> <spevack> some people (like me) try to *never* use slides unless it is
> absolutely necessary
> <spevack> i think that the most important thing we can do
> <spevack> is make it clear to people who organize events that we want
> to see people giving talks about Feodra
> <jmbuser> !
> <spevack> and events that are going to include sessions or talks
> <spevack> get more funding, as a means of us demonstrating that importance.
> <spevack> not to say that every event must have a session
> <spevack> but the big ones definitely should
> <spevack> EOF
> <fugolin1> i'm talking about slides, but i was talking about something
> that can resume the keypoint of a possible discussion
> <fugolin1> jmbuser:
> <spevack> offtopic -- /me needs to go in about 5 minutes
> <jmbuser> One important consideration is the type of event - trade
> show, commercial, open source, etc.
> <fugolin1> ok, this is the last topic we are discussing today
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> <spevack> jmbuser: +1
> <jmbuser> Is the target developers and/or end users, management, etc?
> <fugolin1> jmbuser: it was only an idea, i wasn't talking about
> defined talks etc...
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> <jmbuser> eof
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> <fugolin1> as i said this meeting would be the place to discuss case per case
> <fugolin1> each event
> <fugolin1> and try to define some guidelines
> <fugolin1> that's all
> <fugolin1> read the beggining of this topic
> <spevack> i think that one of the positive side effects
> <spevack> of trying to use May 1 as a deadline for the June - August events
> <spevack> is that it will give us a chance to examine each event
> <spevack> and suggest to the organizers what sorts of things should be at it
> <spevack> depending on size, what type of people come, etc.
> <spevack> EOF
> <jmbuser> +1
> <RodrigoPadula> +1
> <RodrigoPadula> i have many events to cover!! sugestion are very welcome!
> <fugolin1> RodrigoPadula: as i said at the begginning of this issue
> <fugolin1> this would be the place to discuss about this
> <spevack> RodrigoPadula: you are already doing a great job ;)
> <fugolin1> after i took an off-topic way
> <fugolin1> At the end: would to add thyouis space or just to define
> some key meetings to talk about such issue?
> <fugolin1> bad keyboard
> <fugolin1> Would you add this space in each meeting or ...
> <fugolin1> that's a question
> <jmbuser> !
> <fugolin1> jmbuser:
> <jmbuser> Do you mean something like - these are upcoming events and
> discuss strategy?
> <jmbuser> eof
> <fugolin1> ok, i was a little bit caotic
> <fugolin1> i'm talking about upcoming events that will be covered by a
> famsco member
> <fugolin1> i think it would be better to define it in a mail
> <spevack> fugolin1: why don't we move it to the list then, and talk
> about it there?
> * spevack needs to go anyway :(
> <fugolin1> yep
> <jmbuser> +1
> <fugolin1> it is what i want :)
> <fugolin1> for today we have finished
> <spevack> thank you for leading our meeting today francesco!
> <jmbuser> +1
> <fugolin1> thank you too
> <spevack> talk to you all later -- have a good weekend.
> <fugolin1> ok
> <fugolin1> thanks to be here
> <fugolin1> i will post the proposal tomorrow
> <RodrigoPadula> thanks max!!
> <fugolin1> today i'm using my ibook and it has a really uncofortable keyboard
> <fugolin1> blah....
> <RodrigoPadula> see you! I will send to you a mail with many latin
> american results ;-)
> <fugolin1> the next time i will use a wired one
> <fugolin1> RodrigoPadula: great
> <fugolin1> as you know i love feedbacks
> <RodrigoPadula> ;-)
> <RodrigoPadula> i love results hehehe
> <fugolin1> i work better if i had some datas to analyze
> <fugolin1> ehehe
> <fugolin1> result is my second name :)
> <jmbuser> Is the meeting over officially?
> <RodrigoPadula> in latin american... all is going very well
> <fugolin1> ops
> <fugolin1> == Meeting Adjourned ==
>
>
Thank you John.
This afternoon i'm going to start working over the Wiki pages cleanup.
Regards
Francesco Ugolini
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