[Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2008-09-16

[Brian Powell]

21:01-!- herlo changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora
Ambassadors North America Meeting -- Starting now
21:02< herlo> roll call
21:02 * herlo is Clint Savage
21:02 * ke4qqq is here
21:02 * quaid is Karsten Wade
21:02 * DemonJester Brian Powell
21:03< lajjr> lajjr is here
21:04< ke4qqq> ok......iwolf doesn't appear to be here - so guess
there is no famsco report
21:04< herlo> erg...
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21:04 * herlo misses iWolf
21:04< ke4qqq> erg??
21:04< herlo> that is all
21:05< ke4qqq> so FAD - which inode0 and herlo will tell us about
21:05-!- herlo changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora
Ambassadors North America (FAmNA) Meeting -- Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-09-16
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21:06< herlo> ke4qqq: haha, well I missed most of it DemonJester and
inode0 were really the ones in charge of that
21:07< ke4qqq> inode0: DemonJester: what can you tell us about FADNA
21:07< DemonJester> inode0: you first?
21:07< inode0> another chance to embarrass myself
21:08< inode0> am I in the right channel now?
21:08< herlo> yes
21:08< DemonJester> yep
21:08< inode0> ok
21:08< inode0> We are trying to get a basic agenda organized although
we'll be flexible
21:09< inode0> some important topics are listed on the wiki now
21:09< inode0> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADNA2008
21:09 * herlo was too slow
21:10< inode0> some are still missing but will be added
21:10< herlo> one of the things I'd like to see on the agenda is a
suggested schedule for Sunday
21:10< inode0> including a serious discussion of the budget
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21:10< inode0> yes, you prepared a rough draft and we'll get one added
21:10< herlo> since some of us will be flying out that day, I'd like
to make sure they can plan to be there for the most they can...
21:11< herlo> inode0: sorry, forgot protocol
21:12< inode0> one question I guess that is still up in the air is do
we want all meetings on Sunday AM or do we want to try to schedule
some before that?
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21:12< inode0> we could probably find an hour or two on Friday and Saturday
21:13 * herlo can guarantee that he will not be there before 8pm on
Friday but would be willing to stay up a little later if necessary
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21:14 * inode0 would like to enjoy as much of OLF on Saturday as possible too
21:14< inode0> is 4 hours a comfortable amount for meetings on Sunday?
21:15 * herlo thinks that's all we're gonna get
21:15< inode0> fun is up in the air too
21:15< herlo> its not like the meeting couldn't go longer after lunch
in a more formal state
21:15< herlo> s/more/less/
21:15< inode0> should we try for Saturday dinner?
21:16< herlo> http://www.ohiolinux.org/schedule.html
21:16< herlo> not sure how this might help
21:16< ke4qqq> what about saturday really late night
21:16< ke4qqq> it's not like we plan on sleeping much right?
21:16< herlo> ke4qqq: are you suggesting that instead of meeting
sunday morning, we stay up late on Saturday and meet?
21:16< herlo> or just have fun?
21:16< ke4qqq> no fun/socialize/get to know everyone ftf
21:17< ke4qqq> rather that should be
21:17< herlo> ftf?
21:17< ke4qqq> no, fun/socialize/get to know everyone ftf
21:17< ke4qqq> face to face
21:17< herlo> ahh
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21:17< inode0> dinner, have some bacon after bacon talks? party?
21:17< herlo> jono's talk, if the same, is pretty cool
21:18< ke4qqq> lol
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21:18< herlo> I've also seen zonker's talk, very good too actually :)
21:18 * herlo goes back to being on-topic
21:18< inode0> well, is this the FAD planning meeting or should we
schedule one to focus on it exclusively?
21:19< ke4qqq> thought we had one - we prolly need more and we need
more involvement.
21:19< herlo> could be...
21:19< inode0> perhaps a Friday evening get together is possible too,
I will be free that evening
21:21< DemonJester> It really comes down to how many are really
attending in my opinion.
21:21< inode0> I'll be in town on Thursday actually if anyone else is ...
21:22< DemonJester> I am rolling in sometime Friday.
21:23< inode0> I would suggest we try to clean this up so we can
better advertise it with some details
21:23< DemonJester> How many are we hoping will attend the FAD event.
Being realistic. 15-20?
21:24< inode0> that would be a nice number to get I think
21:24< herlo> 8-10 is more likely
21:24< inode0> maybe high
21:24< herlo> I mean there's me, ke4qqq, inode0, vwbusguy, DemonJester
and that's all I know for now
21:24< herlo> oh, and iWolf
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21:25< inode0> pascal
21:25< herlo> ah, so that's like 6 already
21:25< DemonJester> speaking of pascal does anyone know if he got the
polo's ordered? I still havent seen an invoice yet.
21:25< inode0> one other I don't know chicagonpg?
21:25< DemonJester> sorry off topic..
21:26< inode0> will be on-topic shortly
21:26 * inode0 moves we table this and complete tonight's agenda -
discussion can return to FAD at the end time permitting
21:27< DemonJester> +1
21:27 * ke4qqq cedes the meeting to inode0 and lets him run it.
21:27< inode0> what did I miss? :)
21:27< inode0> we are on tasks now?
21:28< DemonJester> in which channel? ;)
21:28< inode0> that too :)
21:28< ke4qqq> works for me
21:28< inode0> so I don't see pascal around now, we'll have to check
with him later
21:28< inode0> Ambassador Kit news?
21:29< herlo> uh, okay
21:29< inode0> Ambassador Kit Hackfest news?
21:29< herlo> so I'm still working the details, but mizmo said she'll
be there and seemed interested in the idea
21:29< ke4qqq> ?
21:30< inode0> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConF11#Hackfest_sessions
21:30< inode0> can you tell us what the idea is herlo?
21:30< herlo> the general idea is to hack together an entire
ambassadorkit by the end of FUDCon
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21:31< herlo> in other words, we bring the things we need, stickers,
CDs, buttons, tshirts, etc
21:32< inode0> crucial part is getting some art on the display box and
that can be accomplished there
21:32< ke4qqq> will we have CDs by then?
21:32< herlo> ke4qqq: no, but its a beta
21:32< herlo> inode0: agreed
21:32< herlo> I want to put it together with F9
21:33< herlo> and have it a proof of concept, sound good?
21:33< ke4qqq> yep
21:33< inode0> will be great to just have a kit - we'll be able to see
what is good about it and find out what might be better
21:34< inode0> whatever it ends up being ambassadors are going to
greatly appreciate it
21:34< inode0> shall we move to event box + transfer policy?
21:34< herlo> sure
21:34< herlo> its not changed
21:34< herlo> I've not done anything yet as I am in the process of
building the eventbox first
21:34< herlo> almost there too
21:35< herlo> have a ups pick up tomorrow morning for a pelican 1610
21:35< inode0> that is news :)
21:35< herlo> then I can put all the pieces in there and start getting
the rest put in there..
21:35< inode0> ok, XOs are apparently on their way to someone
21:36< inode0> for inclusion in event boxes
21:36< herlo> right, so probably can assemble at OLF
21:36< inode0> no updates on other hardware
21:37< inode0> we might discuss other small hardware needs as I'm
pretty sure some of us would volunteer to bring it
21:37< inode0> maybe a volunteer column on the wiki to say I'll bring
an contribute X, Y, and Z for the boxes?
21:38< herlo> ooh, that'd be cool
21:38 * quaid got called away to the phone for Fedora desktop support, is back
21:38< DemonJester> I would put suggested or needed items so others
know what we are looking for
21:38< inode0> we have a page with that keeps getting refined now
21:39< herlo> inode0: you mean the
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox
21:39< herlo> page?
21:39< inode0> yes
21:40< herlo> except it doesn't list what we have atm
21:40< herlo> should we add a column
21:40< inode0> let's be clear if we are making 3 or 4 boxes so we know
how many to get
21:40< herlo> I think we should build one and then work for the next
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21:40< inode0> maybe with each item have a quantity needed column?
21:40< herlo> one will give us an idea of what we need and what we don't
21:41< herlo> inode0: with the exception of the clerical stuff at the
bottom, the number is 1
21:41< inode0> per box, is that 3 or 4?
21:41< herlo> per box
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21:42< inode0> right, I'm asking if we are trying to provision 3 boxes
or 4 boxes now?
21:42< herlo> 1
21:42< herlo> so the problem with trying to provision 3 or 4 boxes up
front is that we need to figure out the budget for them
21:42< ke4qqq> we want to do 4 eventually
21:42< inode0> hrm, if I go buy power strips I'd just as soon buy one
for each box
21:42< herlo> until we have one, how will we know what to put in them?
21:43< inode0> we don't really need the budget if volunteers are
giving us the stuff, or until we see what they give us
21:43< herlo> I guess
21:43< inode0> we got 4 XOx so I guess 4
21:44< herlo> what are you going ot put them in?  the Pelican 1610 is not free
21:44< inode0> we need budget for that :)
21:44< herlo> and laptoplets
21:44< herlo> and and posters
21:44< herlo> and routers (likely)
21:45< inode0> notebooks will probably not be purchased I wouldn't
think, we'll use our own if we can't get them donated
21:45< herlo> I mean, the thought is that for now, we can ship one
around and start adding to it, but I'm happy to have more
21:45< herlo> inode0: sure, for now...
21:45< inode0> right, ok
21:46< DemonJester> I may be able to work something out with the
routers, let me look into that for next meeting.
21:46< inode0> so let's just go with a volunteer column and I'll start
filling it in
21:46< inode0> we have one router now I think that ke4qqq got somewhere?!
21:46< ke4qqq> yes
21:46 * herlo sees a task for DemonJester
21:46< DemonJester> I may be able to get the rest at little to no cost.
21:47< herlo> k
21:47< inode0> I think we can move this forward this week
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21:47< herlo> inode0: add DemonJester to a task :)
21:47< herlo> routers for eventbox
21:47< herlo> btw, I should mention that the tasks page has moved
21:47< inode0> let's talk media
21:47 * DemonJester accepts task :)
21:47< herlo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks#Assigned_Tasks
21:48< inode0> iWolf here?
21:49< inode0> blog update then?
21:49 * herlo blogged :)
21:50< inode0> planet coming along? finished?
21:50< herlo> also, I built a "I'm going to FAD - NA" button to put on
your next blog post!
21:50< inode0> yes, nice
21:50< herlo> inode0: lcafiero is up, saw his blog post today
21:50< inode0> ok, last task to cover is tracking
21:51< herlo> tracking?
21:51< herlo> oh
21:51< herlo> event tracking
21:51< inode0> I see we have a starter page for event tracking
21:51< herlo> yes, we do
21:52< herlo> we should do this at the end of every FAMNA meeting
21:52< herlo> because I don't think we'll be able to do it anywhere else
21:52< inode0> do what? what are we doing?
21:52< herlo> any time, rather
21:52< herlo> inode0: okay, so this is a long explanation, so bear with me
21:53< herlo> the idea is that we're getting much more events than
that are being put on the event page
21:53< herlo> so we're going to track any/all events we know aobut
where fedora was presented.
21:53< herlo> while we're going to encourage others to participate and
blog or mail, not everyone does that
21:54< herlo> so the idea here is to track all events in our region by
putting them on the EventTracking page
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21:55< DemonJester> ?
21:55< ke4qqq> hmmmmmm I think this is something that the regionals should track
21:55< herlo> ke4qqq: right
21:55< herlo> just the regional ambassadors
21:55< ke4qqq> as someone who just did 2 small events, and has 2 more
this week - the last thing I want to do is have yet another places
(aside from blog and email) where I have to fill something out
21:55< inode0> why? if anyone sees something why not add it?
21:56< herlo> inode0: could you clarify your question?
21:56< inode0> well, I understood we would check in with ambassadors
in our areas from time to time and report back about things they were
doing
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21:57< herlo> oh, well that's part of it for sure
21:57< inode0> but if DemonJester sees Fedora at some event we haven't
tracked why not go ahead and add it? why just regionals?
21:57< herlo> but we should be tracking events in our region for sure
21:57< herlo> oh, its fine if other add it, i see your point now
21:58< inode0> sort of part of the mission of regionals to keep an eye
on this though
21:58< DemonJester> but a little help never hurts either ;)
21:58< herlo> I was just saying its part of our duties, but if others
do it, that's great
21:59< inode0> I'm not clear on whether this is for extra events or all events
22:00< inode0> back to ke4qqq's point I think
22:01< herlo> all
22:01< herlo> its still kind of an idea
22:01< herlo> not really implemented
22:01< herlo> but it will hopefully get more notice for FAMNA and
that's what we want
22:01< inode0> right, it is a good idea to have this collected in one place
22:01 * herlo has to run so, anything else?
22:02< inode0> a little bad if ambassadors need to report is three
places or more
22:02< inode0> let's all give this some thought for next week?
22:02< inode0> thanks herlo
22:02< herlo> sure, ciao
22:02 * herlo heads out
22:02< DemonJester> see ya herlo
22:02< inode0> any other tasks?
22:03< inode0> if not, open floor
22:03< DemonJester> !
22:03 * ke4qqq just read quaids post
22:03< inode0> feel free to go DemonJester
22:03< ke4qqq> oops go ahead DemonJester
22:03< quaid> ke4qqq: yeah, I was going to bring that up ...
22:04< inode0> link?
22:04< inode0> DemonJester: ?
22:04< DemonJester> real quick, I am working on getting some pricing
for sticker sheets, a very small run. Hopefully if all goes well I can
bring some to OLF to show others
22:04< ke4qqq> DemonJester: may want to talk to Mizmo she is doing some as well
22:04< ke4qqq> and has some pricing
22:04< inode0> that is great, are these art team designed?
22:04< ke4qqq> may be advantageous to combine an order.
22:05< DemonJester> yeah the ones that have about 15 stickers per sheet.
22:05< inode0> that order seems pretty stuck
22:05< inode0> it is important to have the art team's seal of approval I think
22:05< inode0> so we don't accidentally violate guidelines we don't
know about or something
22:06< DemonJester> I can do that this week. Do I talk to mizmo about that?
22:06< inode0> and they are just very helpful and all around nice
people to work with
22:06< ke4qqq> yep
22:06< DemonJester> I will do that. I am finished
22:06 * inode0 looks in the mirror to see if he got any paint on his lips
22:07< inode0> okay, discussion about quaid's post?
22:07< quaid> summary: can we extend the parts of FAD to non-attendees
that are worth being interactive?
22:07< inode0> a link would be appreciated by me
22:07 * quaid getting
22:08< ke4qqq> http://iquaid.org/2008/09/16/formula-for-making-distance-work/
22:08< quaid> thx
22:08< quaid> there are some specific suggestions in there, etc.
22:08< quaid> I've seen all of my suggestions work well in real life, fwiw.
22:09< inode0> absolutely I'm in favor of doing what we can to include
interested contributors who can't attend
22:10< inode0> what are the bullets for what needs to be done in
preparation for this?
22:11< inode0> video/audio feed for example?
22:12< quaid> yeah, projector X2 or X3
22:13< inode0> do we have someone who will be on the ground in
columbus who knows this stuff?
22:13< inode0> who can coordinate things?
22:14< quaid> ANSWER HAZY,TRY AGAIN LATER
22:14< quaid> maybe first we list the scenarios
22:14< quaid> and what support they require
22:15 * quaid starts something like that on tha page
22:15< DemonJester> icecast?
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22:16< DemonJester> of course the question would be what kind of
bandwidth would we have there and how much we will use while
streaming.
22:17< inode0> well, I'm guessing the meeting will be in the hotel
restaurant or something
22:17< inode0> not likely to have much bandwidth
22:17< quaid> in a meeting room?
22:18< DemonJester> yet to be determined..
22:18< inode0> I don't know what they will have for us now, but the
meetings are the day after OLF
22:19< inode0> I'm going to suggest we all give this some thought too
and see if we can plan things with this in mind to try to make it work
22:19< quaid> +1
22:19< quaid> I don't think all events are worthy
22:19< quaid> e.g. Sat. nite f2f hanging out
22:19< quaid> but "what are the plans for the next year" is worthy
22:19< DemonJester> +1
22:19< inode0> would be nice if our 4 hour block for real meetings
could be available though
22:20< DemonJester> honestly we need more like 5 I think
22:20< inode0> ok
22:20< inode0> ok, we can start at 7am
22:20< inode0> what TZ is columbus?
22:20< DemonJester> that works for me.. EST
22:21< inode0> I'll be asleep, but go ahead
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22:21< quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADNA2008#Remoting_the_meetings
22:21< inode0> one other thing I'd like to mention, did everyone see
stickster_afk's blog mentioning FUDcon plans?
22:23< inode0> when he isn't cramming for certifications maybe we can
arrange another visit to hear more about that - I think we are all
eager to do what we can to help with FUDcon planning
22:23< crossbytes> link?
22:28< inode0> http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=1163
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22:29< inode0> any more discussion items before we close up shop for tonight?
22:30< inode0> going
22:30< DemonJester> besides another FAD planning meeting sometime nope
22:30< inode0> let's arrange that in fedora-ambassadors
22:30< inode0> going
22:30< inode0> who has the archive of the whole meeting and would
volunteer to post it?
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22:31< DemonJester> I think I have it logged.
22:31< inode0> thanks
22:31< inode0> gone
22:31< inode0> EOF

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Regards,

BrianPowell
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