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[Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2009-02-03



(08:00:34 PM) inode0: FAmNA Roll Call
(08:00:54 PM) pcalarco: PascalCalarco
(08:01:28 PM) ***lcafiero is Larry Cafiero
(08:01:53 PM) ***jsmidt is Joseph Smidt
(08:02:24 PM) DemonJester: .fas bpowell01
(08:02:25 PM) zodbot: DemonJester: bpowell01 'Brian Powell'
<bpowell01 gmail com>
(08:02:45 PM) djf_jeff: .fas jfsaucier
(08:02:46 PM) zodbot: djf_jeff: jfsaucier 'Jean-Francois Saucier'
<jfsaucier infoglobe ca>
(08:03:42 PM) ***inode0 looks around
(08:04:55 PM) inode0: Well, mmcgrath should be joining us in a bit,
may be delayed by another meeting so let's begin with announcements
(08:05:15 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Classroom
(08:05:37 PM) inode0: herlo asks that we volunteer to suggest topics
for upcoming sessions
(08:06:14 PM) ***inode0 missed everyone last week
(08:06:27 PM) ***lcafiero says "ditto to that inode0"
(08:06:29 PM) inode0: any other announcements from anyone
(08:06:39 PM) djf_jeff: sadly I cannot attend, I am out of town this
weekend, but, I think this event need more publicity. I follow all the
fedora related blog and I just learn that this event occur this
weekend...
(08:06:44 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: hey
(08:07:04 PM) lcafiero: There's a Birds of a Feather added to
FAD-SCaLE but I'll talk about that more during that part of the
meeting
(08:07:06 PM) inode0: ok, our guest has arrived!
(08:07:14 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: just checking, where am I on the
schedule?  Do I have 5 minutees or should I get started now?
(08:07:26 PM) inode0: would you like 5 minutes? that is fine
(08:07:41 PM) mmcgrath: 5 would be great!
(08:07:55 PM) inode0: just ping when you are back and we will switch gears
(08:07:57 PM) mmcgrath: my meeting ran a bit late, I'm still headed
home (I'm in a gas station parking lot right now if you can believe
that :)
(08:08:05 PM) mmcgrath: sounds good, be back in just a second.
(08:08:23 PM) lcafiero: What's gas going for there? :-)
(08:08:33 PM) ***quaid arrives late
(08:08:38 PM) ***lcafiero withdraws the question.
(08:08:38 PM) inode0: $1.79 last time for me
(08:09:01 PM) djf_jeff: $0.85 for me
(08:09:09 PM) lcafiero: Mon dieu!
(08:09:17 PM) inode0: you buy something non-gallons though don't you?
(08:09:20 PM) djf_jeff: we are in liter not gallon ;)
(08:09:46 PM) inode0: welcome quaid
(08:09:59 PM) inode0: let's get the budget item out of the way next
(08:09:59 PM) ***ke4qqq is late
(08:10:10 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget
(08:10:32 PM) djf_jeff: inode0: just a little bit for the classroom,
is there any publicity that I miss?
(08:10:36 PM) inode0: Reminder to everyone to keep this fellow updated
as best we can and if you have needs please add them
(08:11:04 PM) inode0: djf_jeff: to be honest there hasn't been a lot,
it gets some in IRC though
(08:11:33 PM) inode0: some on mailing lists too iirc
(08:11:46 PM) djf_jeff: ok thank you, maybe we can help with that
because it's a lot of effort and the more people that join, the better
(08:12:15 PM) ***inode0 thinks perhaps we should add the Q1 starter
budget soonish
(08:12:52 PM) inode0: djf_jeff: yes, great. Spread the word. We've
talked about it from time to time.
(08:13:11 PM) inode0: Max gave some sessions for ambassadors in the
past and we promoted those internally
(08:13:12 PM) djf_jeff: good, I will take care of that!
(08:14:06 PM) inode0: task list we can skip in the interest of time tonight
(08:14:23 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: want to slip your agenda item in here
while we wait for Mike to return?
(08:14:39 PM) ke4qqq: sure
(08:15:00 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: ready whenever you are!
(08:15:35 PM) ke4qqq: so at fudcon we talked abt integrating olpc into fedora
(08:16:16 PM) ke4qqq: and an idea we pitched was letting the
ambassadors run the dev. xo program
(08:16:36 PM) ke4qqq: and they have now shipped 100 to us
(08:16:42 PM) ***mmcgrath does apologize for the delay.
(08:16:58 PM) inode0: mmcgrath: don't worry about it, you're next :)
(08:18:10 PM) mmcgrath: k
(08:18:10 PM) ke4qqq: so first we need to talk about how we will
handle this, and since i am typing on goggle g1 i'll be available at
the end of the mtg and let mike talk now
(08:18:40 PM) inode0: good plan, we'll come back to the XO dev. program then
(08:18:44 PM) DemonJester: show off! :-)
(08:19:07 PM) inode0: So let me introduce mmcgrath to everyone and welcome him
(08:19:38 PM) inode0: Can you begin by telling us a little about what
the infrastructure team does?
(08:19:40 PM) ***mmcgrath waves
(08:20:15 PM) DemonJester: welcome!
(08:20:31 PM) mmcgrath: So the infrastructure team is basically a
group of sysadmins, engineers and developers that do all the normal
things an IT shop would do
(08:20:53 PM) mmcgrath: We run all of Fedora's "official" servers.
(08:21:12 PM) mmcgrath: The team is divided up into a couple of
different group's called "FIGs" (Fedora Infrastructure Group)
(08:21:19 PM) mmcgrath: At the top of this group, is sysadmin-main.
(08:21:25 PM) inode0: both servers and the services, right?
(08:21:27 PM) mmcgrath: this is the group that has access to everything.
(08:21:30 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: correct.
(08:21:44 PM) mmcgrath: we basically handle everything all the way up
to the actual content / presentation layer.
(08:21:59 PM) mmcgrath: so when you go to docs.fedoraproject.org, we
maintain everything there except the actual words on the page, and the
look of the page.
(08:22:16 PM) mmcgrath: The exception to this comes to our custom built webapps.
(08:22:28 PM) mmcgrath: In most businesses there is a clear line
between development and infrastructure.
(08:22:33 PM) mmcgrath: "developers" and "sysadmins"
(08:22:38 PM) mmcgrath: Fedora blurs that line.
(08:22:52 PM) inode0: which is good for both imo
(08:22:54 PM) mmcgrath: So applications like Bodhi, pkgdb, smolt,
mirrormanager, etc.
(08:23:08 PM) mmcgrath: Those are all developed, but all of those
developers are also members of the sysadmin team.
(08:23:17 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: yeah, it's worked remarkably well for us.
(08:23:27 PM) mmcgrath: So aside from the sysadmin-main group.
(08:23:35 PM) mmcgrath: we have a bunch of other FIGS that each have
individual tasks.
(08:23:49 PM) mmcgrath: this allows us to give people and new
volunteers access to our systems, without handing over all the keys to
the castle right away
(08:23:52 PM) ***mmcgrath gets a link
(08:24:03 PM) mmcgrath: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/FIGs
(08:25:15 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: so thats the high level view :)
(08:25:27 PM) inode0: if you'd like to talk about the process involved
in joining that would be good too
(08:25:41 PM) inode0: our goal is this
(08:26:06 PM) inode0: understand what you do, identify contributors
who might fit, help them get started
(08:26:16 PM) mmcgrath: Sure, well here's the main link you want
(08:26:18 PM) mmcgrath:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted
(08:26:39 PM) mmcgrath: The two hard parts about joining are realizing
it takes a large time commitment.
(08:26:55 PM) mmcgrath: We've had volunteers (like myself before I got
hired) put in 20-40 hours a week before.
(08:27:15 PM) mmcgrath: But if you don't have at least 5-7 hours a
week to give to the infrastructure team, its hard to really get
involved.
(08:27:24 PM) mmcgrath: The other hard part, is getting sponsorship.
(08:27:33 PM) ***mmcgrath notes the Get Sponsored link on that page.
(08:27:40 PM) mmcgrath: You really have to bug people to get sponsored.
(08:27:46 PM) mmcgrath: Part of this is because people are busy and forget.
(08:27:52 PM) mmcgrath: but the other part is to show dedication to
join the team.
(08:28:03 PM) mmcgrath: we have a _lot_ of turnover in the infrastructure team.
(08:28:07 PM) mmcgrath: but the environment is complex.
(08:28:18 PM) mmcgrath: it can take a couple of weeks to really get a
handle on where everything is, finding help, etc.
(08:28:21 PM) ke4qqq: so how do you show dedication without sponsorship?
(08:28:30 PM) mmcgrath: ke4qqq: by keep asking for it :)
(08:28:53 PM) mmcgrath: And by participating on the list and coming to
the meetings.
(08:28:53 PM) inode0: do you need sponsorship for sysadmin FIG itself?
(08:29:04 PM) mmcgrath: Not for the main sysadmin group.
(08:29:08 PM) mmcgrath: err sorry
(08:29:15 PM) mmcgrath: you do for sysadmin-main, but not the basic
'sysadmin' group.
(08:29:24 PM) mmcgrath: You just need to apply and introduce yourself
to the list.
(08:29:24 PM) inode0: right, I understood
(08:29:41 PM) mmcgrath: the basic sysadmin group is mostly a tracker
group, but nagios alerts also go to that group.
(08:30:20 PM) mmcgrath: Its not that we like turning potential people away.
(08:30:41 PM) mmcgrath: but it takes a lot of time to do the training,
and if we trained everyone that showed up only to have them vanish in
a week, we wouldn't get anything done :(
(08:31:09 PM) inode0: sure, it makes sense to see who shows interest over time
(08:31:12 PM) ke4qqq: whats ther base level of skills you are looking for...
(08:31:20 PM) mmcgrath: we revisit this every now and again to make it
better, but this method has worked fairly well in separating the
people who think "this is a good idea" and then "I don't have time for
this" from the "this is a good idea" and then "I'm still here and can
totally work on it"
(08:31:37 PM) mmcgrath: Generally we look for any and all skill levels.
(08:31:38 PM) ke4qqq: for instance do you have entry level jobs for
people or need they be sysadmin of the year types?
(08:31:54 PM) mmcgrath: and I like to try to guess someones skill
level, then give them a task just above it.
(08:32:13 PM) mmcgrath: there's lots of tasks that involve research,
but not direct changes to the servers.
(08:32:17 PM) mmcgrath: we do have some entry level jobs.
(08:32:23 PM) mmcgrath: sysadmin-noc is a good example.
(08:32:28 PM) mmcgrath: Its critical to our infrastructure.
(08:32:32 PM) mmcgrath: (they're our monitoring group)
(08:32:39 PM) ***quaid notes just watching nagios alerts is a learning
experience
(08:32:46 PM) DemonJester: lol
(08:32:51 PM) mmcgrath: but at the same time, they don't have a lot of
sudo access so there's little chance they'll break something.
(08:33:14 PM) mmcgrath: but often they're the first people on the
scene, so even if they can't fix it.  They can give someone like me
info when I show up to fix it if I've been paged in the middle of the
night.
(08:33:28 PM) mmcgrath: and our switch to zabbix will be interesting
because we're going to focus on more self-fixing.
(08:33:40 PM) mmcgrath: other then that its a matter of finding more
simple jobs vs more complex jobs.
(08:34:58 PM) inode0: Do you have a feel for how your members come to
fedora and infrastructure now?
(08:35:28 PM) ***herlo is here for a few minutes...
(08:35:33 PM) inode0: I mean, how do they find you?
(08:35:37 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: I think so.  We run into the people
that think they want to get involved in infrastructure, but what they
really want is something more on Fedora the operating system (like
fixing bugs or submitting kernel patches)
(08:35:52 PM) mmcgrath: We've been pretty lucky in getting a stead
stream of new volunteers.
(08:36:10 PM) mmcgrath: When I feel its going south or we need people
for a specific task, I do a cattle call via an announce list and
planet.fedoraproject.org
(08:36:24 PM) mmcgrath: thats how I found out about Fedora
Infrastructure actually
(08:36:33 PM) mmcgrath: from a notice from sopwith way back in the day.
(08:36:59 PM) quaid: I've always thought linux sysadmins are a hugely
under-tapped contributor base; do you get many people who are
RHC*/sysadmins for their $dayjob?
(08:37:15 PM) mmcgrath: quaid: yes, and I try to encourage that.
(08:37:19 PM) mmcgrath: SmootherFrOgZ is a good example.
(08:37:27 PM) mmcgrath: He seems to be using all the sweet new
technologies we are at his job.
(08:37:28 PM) ***inode0 could be a victim
(08:37:45 PM) mmcgrath: I think what he does for $DAYJOB and what he
does in $FEDORA work well together.
(08:37:52 PM) mmcgrath: I know when I was a volunteer it was invaluable.
(08:37:57 PM) quaid: I think it'
(08:38:05 PM) quaid: s a sweet spot, yeah
(08:38:21 PM) ***quaid talks with sysadmins at Linux events a fair amount
(08:39:02 PM) mmcgrath: The hard part is convincing them to work with
their employer to get them to be paid to work on fedora, during work
hours for a couple hours a week.
(08:39:09 PM) ***mmcgrath has been putting documentation together for that.
(08:39:34 PM) inode0: academic places seem open to that
(08:39:34 PM) mmcgrath: I know being involved in Fedora actually
greatly improved the quality of my work at $DAYJOB.
(08:39:59 PM) mmcgrath: if for no other reason then I had two teams of
sysadmins to talk to with their own issues and experiences instead of
just the one team.
(08:40:06 PM) mmcgrath: <nod>
(08:40:55 PM) djf_jeff: mmcgrath: can you give the documentation in
question please?
(08:41:29 PM) mmcgrath: djf_jeff: it's not published yet but it'll be
part of the csi documentation at:
http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/csi/
(08:41:44 PM) djf_jeff: thank you!
(08:42:40 PM) mmcgrath: one thing I'll add that makes Fedora
Infrastructure unique from other places I've worked is focus on OSS.
(08:42:41 PM) inode0: so on the developer side what are the current
needs in particular
(08:42:50 PM) mmcgrath: We use only Free Software everywhere its feasible.
(08:42:59 PM) mmcgrath: So, for example, it doesn't run on our cisco
switches (yet)
(08:43:09 PM) inode0: are there certain skills in big demand by infrastructure
(08:43:09 PM) mmcgrath: but every bit we have in Fedora, you can do
where you work.
(08:43:21 PM) mmcgrath: which includes our build system, web services,
telephony system, etc.
(08:44:52 PM) ***jsmidt_ is really jsmidt
jsmidt jsmidt_
(08:45:11 PM) inode0: your disguise wasn't clever enough to fool us jsmidt
(08:45:28 PM) mmcgrath: :)
(08:45:38 PM) mmcgrath: you guys have any other questions on Infrastructure?
(08:45:44 PM) mmcgrath: Its really an old concept but being done in a new way :)
(08:45:45 PM) jsmidt_: I got kicked off and won't let me log back in as jsmidt
(08:45:49 PM) inode0: so database, TG, python?
(08:45:58 PM) mmcgrath: yep
(08:46:00 PM) mmcgrath: everything
(08:46:04 PM) mmcgrath: oh, and we're heavily virtualized.
(08:46:09 PM) mmcgrath: and have been for a little over 2 years now.
(08:46:14 PM) mmcgrath: so we were pretty early adopters of that.
(08:46:29 PM) inode0: shouldn't surprise anyone here
(08:46:29 PM) ke4qqq: when is cloud coming?
(08:46:35 PM) jsmidt_: mmcgrath, how is the preformance og kvm coming
(08:46:51 PM) mmcgrath: ke4qqq: thats a good question.  We have the
hardware, its installed and powered.  We're blocking on two network
bits.
(08:46:58 PM) mmcgrath: the first is our private network / switch configuration.
(08:47:11 PM) mmcgrath: the next is getting 80 public IP's and
ultimately somewhere around 400-500 public IP's
(08:47:18 PM) mmcgrath: which is proving to take longer then the
network guys thought I think :)
(08:47:43 PM) inode0: mmcgrath: one last question from me
(08:47:46 PM) mmcgrath: jsmidt_: good question, we still use xen +
paravirt everywhere in Fedora.  I've heard KVM's performance is
getting closer to paravirt every day.  They're probably very similar
right nwo.
(08:47:57 PM) jsmidt_: good
(08:48:18 PM) inode0: is there anything you can think of that we can
do to help make recruitment of new contributors easier?
(08:48:43 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: I think the biggest thing is them not
even reading what is there and not knowing what to expect.
(08:48:45 PM) inode0: if not immediately please keep us in mind as we
are willing to try anything we can to help
(08:48:50 PM) ***lcafiero will be back in about 15 minutes
(08:48:56 PM) mmcgrath: One thing I've been working on is some
webcasting/podcasting abilities in Asterisk.
(08:49:01 PM) mmcgrath: I'm pretty close to getting it up and ready.
(08:49:10 PM) mmcgrath: what I'd like to do is create "want to get
involved" type podcasts.
(08:49:19 PM) mmcgrath: where users can just listen to what to do
instead of all the reading.
(08:49:33 PM) mmcgrath: as important as reading is, I think there's so
much of it, people get turned off initially.
(08:50:00 PM) inode0: I would make the observation that of the groups
I've spent 10 minutes visiting the wiki for yours is one of the best
for clearly laying things out
(08:50:18 PM) ***mmcgrath is happy to hear that
(08:50:39 PM) ***quaid sometimes has to read, hear, *and* be shown, fwiw
(08:50:45 PM) inode0: are there any other questions for mmcgrath tonight?
(08:51:05 PM) mmcgrath: quaid: yeah, everyone's different.  And even
individuals can be in a different mood for something depending on how
their day is going :)
(08:51:05 PM) djf_jeff: mmcgrath: does the infrastructure consist only
on Fedora servers?
(08:51:27 PM) mmcgrath: djf_jeff: so, here's a quick history lesson.
(08:51:34 PM) mmcgrath: about 2 years ago we only had something like 13 servers.
(08:51:40 PM) mmcgrath: Almost all of which were in Phoenix.
(08:51:45 PM) mmcgrath: which is Red Hat's colo.
(08:51:54 PM) mmcgrath: We did have a couple elsewhere, like at Duke.
(08:52:13 PM) mmcgrath: our explosive growth, plus virtualization,
we've now expanded to well over 100 servers.
(08:52:22 PM) mmcgrath: and many of them are not in PHX and not on Red
Hat owned hardware.
(08:52:44 PM) mmcgrath: fedorahosted.org, talk.fedoraproject.org,
fedorapeople, all sorts of services exist on no RH hardware at all.
(08:52:52 PM) mmcgrath: fedorapeople.org for example, is provided by
Boston University
(08:53:02 PM) mmcgrath: we still maintain the actual operating system
and everything on it.
(08:53:14 PM) mmcgrath: but the hardware, power, network, etc.  Has
all been donated.
(08:53:32 PM) mmcgrath: On the actual servers themselves we run both
Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora depending on the task of the
server.
(08:53:37 PM) mmcgrath: we even have some rawhide out there :)
(08:54:15 PM) ***mmcgrath notes his proud sponsors -
http://fedoraproject.org/sponsors
(08:54:23 PM) djf_jeff: good, thank you for the answer!
(08:54:35 PM) ke4qqq: how much donated equipment as a percentage is there?
(08:54:40 PM) ke4qqq: ie not donated by RH
(08:55:01 PM) mmcgrath: Thats a good question.
(08:55:22 PM) mmcgrath: If you exclude the public mirrors and the buildsystem.
(08:55:35 PM) mmcgrath: I'd say only about 40% of the physical servers
are owned by Red Hat.
(08:55:43 PM) mmcgrath: compared to 90% just a couple of years ago.
(08:56:03 PM) ke4qqq: wow that's impressive
(08:56:06 PM) mmcgrath: The buildsystem kind of throws things for a
loop but even including the buildsystem I'd say its only 60-70% RH
owned.
(08:56:12 PM) inode0: really nice that more people/companies are
getting involved
(08:56:15 PM) mmcgrath: I've worked hard to spread our servers.
(08:56:38 PM) ke4qqq: so as we are talking with companies - anything
in particular you are looking for hardware wise
(08:56:39 PM) mmcgrath: It benefits everyone.  Its cheaper for RH,
puts more ownership in the community and allows companies to get
involved with Fedora in an official manner.
(08:57:01 PM) mmcgrath: ke4qqq: really the biggest request would be a
server with lots of ram, bandwidth and power.
(08:57:22 PM) mmcgrath: our standard request is a 32G RAM box, 2 quad
core processors, and 250-750G drive space.
(08:57:32 PM) mmcgrath: using virtualization... a server like that can
go a VERY long way.
(08:57:43 PM) mmcgrath: in theory we could fit 64 test hosts on a
server like that.
(08:58:00 PM) mmcgrath: production level stuff around 5-10 hosts
(08:58:05 PM) mmcgrath: if you do a "dig fedoraproject.org"
(08:58:09 PM) mmcgrath: you'll notice we're multihomed.
(08:58:11 PM) ke4qqq: that's not too bad, maybe 5k in cost for the hardware
(08:58:16 PM) quaid: yeah, we should be able to recruit hosting
sponsors at events.
(08:58:22 PM) ke4qqq: yeah
(08:58:23 PM) mmcgrath: ke4qqq: yep, 5k on the low end 10k on the very high end.
(08:58:38 PM) mmcgrath: we've really got a mature environment, and
having additional hosting can go a long way.
(08:58:53 PM) ke4qqq: what if someone wants to do a one time gift
rather than coloing - can they just ship you a server?
(08:59:02 PM) mmcgrath: ke4qqq: yep, we've had that before too.
(08:59:09 PM) inode0: are there university sponsors beyond BU and Duke?
(08:59:12 PM) mmcgrath: Or even one company gives a free server, the
other gives free hosting.
(08:59:20 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: actually Duke is no longer a sponsor I'm afraid
(08:59:27 PM) ke4qqq: I remeber talk of space issues in phx, so I wasn't sure
(08:59:55 PM) mmcgrath: I don't think there are other university
sponsors.  Ibiblio might sortof count
(09:00:26 PM) inode0: we can work on that too :)
(09:00:46 PM) ***mmcgrath likes working with universities, it feels... natural.
(09:00:53 PM) ke4qqq: yeah... lots of opportunity there
(09:01:35 PM) inode0: this has been great
(09:02:03 PM) ***mmcgrath is always happy to talk about this stuff so
just let me know or stop by #fedora-admin
(09:02:04 PM) inode0: I don't want to chase mmcgrath off but don't
want to keep him too much longer either, he is busy and needs to sleep
(09:02:13 PM) DemonJester: yes, very interesting and informative
thanks for your time!
(09:02:15 PM) mmcgrath: :)
(09:02:37 PM) inode0: yes, thanks a bunch mmcgrath, we'll keep in touch
(09:02:39 PM) pcalarco: thanks much, mmcgrath!
(09:02:42 PM) djf_jeff: thanks for your time, I really appreciate the
informations!
(09:02:45 PM) ke4qqq: thanks Mike!
(09:02:51 PM) mmcgrath: well I'll get to some stuff but I'll be around
for a while so if you want to know anything, just ping!
(09:03:17 PM) inode0: feel free to jump in if are moved to :)
(09:03:44 PM) inode0: Next agenda time is FAD et. al. - lcafiero
(09:03:45 PM) jsmidt_: thanks mmcgrath
(09:04:09 PM) inode0: did larry come back?
(09:04:41 PM) inode0: perhaps next will be Montreal - djf_jeff :)
(09:04:54 PM) djf_jeff: ok, np
(09:04:54 PM) ***DemonJester needs to step away for a bit.
(09:05:27 PM) djf_jeff: very good news, my employer is happy to pay my
travel cost, salary and let me stay at our company apartment in
Montreal for the week! So, I can confirm my presence for the
symposium!
(09:05:34 PM) ke4qqq: outstanding
(09:05:36 PM) ke4qqq: !
(09:05:39 PM) inode0: woot
(09:05:47 PM) pcalarco: awesome
(09:06:30 PM) inode0: ke4qqq
(09:06:35 PM) djf_jeff: yeah, really kind of him
(09:06:50 PM) ke4qqq: what can we do to facilitate your success?
(09:07:21 PM) ke4qqq: inode0?
(09:07:36 PM) djf_jeff: now, I am relatively new to the Ambassador
group, so I will need your help and guidance for the event
(09:08:24 PM) djf_jeff: what is normally planned for an event like
that, what is the normal Fedora presence, is there anything extra that
we can do, etc?
(09:08:34 PM) ke4qqq: ok, well we can certainly help you there.
(09:09:04 PM) ***inode0 steps out for 5 minutes
(09:09:11 PM) djf_jeff: I know that some of you has already talk to
the symposium people on some details, like booth, etc
(09:09:34 PM) ke4qqq: yes - well matt has talked to people - we'll get
you hooked up with those folks and see what you can grow it into
(09:10:20 PM) djf_jeff: good, you will certainly see me on
#fedora-ambassador asking questions ;)
(09:10:44 PM) djf_jeff: #fedora-ambassadors or else I will be alone
(09:11:03 PM) ke4qqq: ok
(09:11:15 PM) ke4qqq: we'll get you hooked up
(09:11:59 PM) ke4qqq: welcome larry
(09:12:05 PM) ke4qqq: tell us abotu fad
(09:12:07 PM) ***the_real_lcafier is the real Larry Cafiero
(09:12:20 PM) ***the_real_lcafier urges you to accept no substitutes.
(09:12:23 PM) quaid:  /msg nickserv help ghost
(09:12:34 PM) djf_jeff: so for the moment, I am done with my point and
can let lcafiero to his point
(09:12:35 PM) quaid: the_real_lcafier: ^^^^^^
(09:12:56 PM) the_real_lcafier: Oh, sorry djf_jeff
(09:13:11 PM) djf_jeff: np, I was already done!
(09:13:16 PM) ***quaid ready to play straight man for the_real_lcafier
(09:13:25 PM) the_real_lcafier: Thanks, quaid
(09:13:40 PM) the_real_lcafier: Okay, sorry. I had to go home because
my wife locked herself out of the house
(09:13:48 PM) the_real_lcafier: Anyway, FAD-SCaLE and beyond.
(09:14:21 PM) the_real_lcafier: FAD-SCaLE planning is going as
scheduled. We have the Kennedy Room at the Westin Airport Los Angeles
on Friday 2/20 from 9-6
(09:15:00 PM) the_real_lcafier: Today we scheduled a Birds of a
Feather for 7-8 in the room next to it, where we can either do what's
normally done at BoF or continue working
(09:15:18 PM) ***the_real_lcafier votes for the former.
(09:15:48 PM) the_real_lcafier: We;re anticipating the participation
of ke4qqq, who may fly from sea to shining sea to join us, true?
(09:15:54 PM) ke4qqq: perhaps
(09:16:02 PM) ke4qqq: still waiting on $dayjob to tell me yes or no
(09:16:06 PM) the_real_lcafier: And everyone else who may be in the
neighborhood who might want to participate.
(09:16:13 PM) ***the_real_lcafier crosses fingers
(09:16:14 PM) ke4qqq: though at least one day will be dedicated to
zenoss if i do
(09:16:26 PM) ke4qqq: have you hit the socal people up?
(09:16:44 PM) the_real_lcafier: zenoss may be at the same time as FAD,
and if so I'm pulling the fire alarm near the Zanoss presentation.
(09:17:20 PM) the_real_lcafier: We also have one or two more slots for
volunteers to staff the booth.
(09:17:42 PM) the_real_lcafier: So far it's herlo, quaid, me, jsmidt_
and . . . is anyone here I'm missing?
(09:17:56 PM) quaid: ke4qqq perhaps
(09:17:58 PM) quaid: jds2001:
(09:17:59 PM) ke4qqq: adora hopefully
(09:18:04 PM) ke4qqq: jds2001 is flying in
(09:18:06 PM) jsmidt_: yep
(09:18:16 PM) the_real_lcafier: adora is moving from san diego to
santa cruz that weekend and is unavailable.
(09:18:26 PM) inode0: be sure to add your names to the list at
(09:18:29 PM) ke4qqq: she's moving to quaidtown???
(09:18:32 PM) ke4qqq: with david?
(09:18:33 PM) inode0:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_at_SCaLE_7x
(09:18:37 PM) quaid: ain't that funny
(09:18:55 PM) the_real_lcafier: indeed.
(09:19:00 PM) ke4qqq: I expect her to be fully indoctrinated shortly thereafter
(09:19:32 PM) the_real_lcafier: Looking forward a little bit, we've
contacted LFNW to have a FAD and booth there in April.
(09:19:42 PM) ***djf_jeff need to step out for 10 minutes
(09:20:14 PM) quaid: ke4qqq: she doesn't know it, but we're going to
talk her in to leading the in-danger SlugLUG :)
(09:20:16 PM) the_real_lcafier: Also -- jsmidt_ can pipe in here too
since he's in the forefront of this -- we're also planning an event at
UC Irvine called LUCI -- Linux UC Irvine.
(09:20:30 PM) the_real_lcafier: +1 to quaid :-)
(09:20:37 PM) jsmidt_: yes on April 11
(09:20:37 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(09:20:48 PM) the_real_lcafier: Want to talk about LUCI, jsmidt_ ?
(09:20:53 PM) jsmidt_: Sure
(09:20:54 PM) the_real_lcafier: Or shall I drone on??
(09:21:02 PM) ke4qqq: she used to organize barcamp SD so she should be
a good resource.
(09:21:39 PM) jsmidt_: We want to build a Linux presence in the Irvine
(09:22:08 PM) jsmidt_: the_real_lcafier, and myself along with the
Ubuntu Loco team have decided to hold an event we are calling LUCI
(09:22:32 PM) jsmidt_: We will also invite any upstream who would like
to attend.
(09:23:08 PM) jsmidt_: We will give talks and presentations for
students as well as how educators can use Linux in their enviornment
(09:23:29 PM) jsmidt_: I think I have found the right place to hold the event
(09:23:37 PM) the_real_lcafier: +1 jsmidt_
(09:24:00 PM) jsmidt_: There is a decent semiar room with a lounge
with couches and space to set up displays/booths, etc
(09:24:12 PM) jsmidt_: Everyone is invited.
(09:24:24 PM) the_real_lcafier: wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LUCI
(09:24:33 PM) jsmidt_: I hope this helps gets Linux noticed by local
eduactors and students
(09:24:44 PM) jsmidt_: That's it in a nutshell
(09:25:34 PM) the_real_lcafier: Also, there's an emphasis on upstream
here, I think. But anyway, jsmidt_ is on campus and it's a pretty good
opportunity to get exposure for Fedora in a rather populous area.
(09:25:35 PM) inode0: fantastic stuff going on on the west coast
(09:26:00 PM) the_real_lcafier: Orange County is bigger than several
states, population wise
(09:26:22 PM) inode0: better orange juice than most states too
(09:26:37 PM) the_real_lcafier: I prefer Iowa orange juice, inode0
(09:26:38 PM) inode0: people who live there may not know that :)
(09:26:39 PM) the_real_lcafier: :-)
(09:27:02 PM) the_real_lcafier: But essentially, there are a list of
the upcoming FADs on the FAD wiki page
(09:27:10 PM) the_real_lcafier: the name of which escapes me
(09:27:40 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD
(09:27:53 PM) the_real_lcafier: And I wanted to touch on one thing
that someone said on list -- I think someone wanted to know when the
FAD in there area was going to happen, and I haven't replied but I
would have said "When do you plan to organize it?"
(09:28:00 PM) the_real_lcafier: Thanks, inode0!
(09:28:36 PM) quaid: that came up during the Board IRC meeting today
(09:28:40 PM) quaid: in the public channel
(09:28:46 PM) inode0: mmcgrath is also working on a Chicago area FAD
and others may want to consider joining with him to make that happen
(09:28:57 PM) quaid: one thing about this coming FAD at SCaLE
(09:28:59 PM) the_real_lcafier: I'm sorry I missed the Montreal
presentation earlier while driving home
(09:29:07 PM) quaid: I REALLY want to include virtual folks
(09:29:23 PM) quaid: via irc and talk
(09:29:25 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: see I can attend Zenoss and FAD virtually :)
(09:29:29 PM) inode0: quaid: might that be possible at SCaLE?
(09:29:31 PM) the_real_lcafier: +1 quaid -- we discussed that today
and that's something we're going to do at FAD SCaLE
(09:29:39 PM) ***pcalarco can likely help with a Chicago FAD
(09:29:40 PM) quaid: I'm hoping the much lower distraction, higher
focus of a small FAD group will facilitate that
(09:29:44 PM) quaid: inode0: that's the one
(09:29:44 PM) inode0: because I'm very interested in trying to
participate remotely
(09:29:48 PM) the_real_lcafier: we = quaid and me
(09:30:18 PM) quaid: inode0: yes; for the User Guide and Fonts
packaging; I want to see if we can get the lead for the UG and maybe
nim-nim available during some/all of the time
(09:30:22 PM) ***the_real_lcafier is relieved he doesn't have to pull
the fire alarm
(09:30:34 PM) quaid: plus anyone else who wants to help
(09:31:03 PM) inode0: sweet
(09:31:05 PM) quaid: so if anyone wants to bring SIP phone or audio gear ... :)
(09:31:13 PM) ianweller: i would help if i didn't live 5 states away
or have school or no money, fyi. :)
(09:31:20 PM) the_real_lcafier: is this something we should include in
the event box, quaid?
(09:31:21 PM) ***ianweller continues lurking
(09:31:28 PM) quaid: the_real_lcafier: good question
(09:31:35 PM) inode0: that has come up
(09:31:45 PM) quaid: inode0: if you are around on 20 Feb you'll surely
be asked for something :)
(09:31:47 PM) the_real_lcafier: ianweller, you can still attend virtually
(09:31:52 PM) ianweller: the_real_lcafier: \o/
(09:32:34 PM) the_real_lcafier: wouldn't be the same without you, ianweller
(09:32:46 PM) inode0: we can and should spend persistent
infrastructure resources on getting audio gear for event boxes, at
least I completely support that
(09:33:11 PM) the_real_lcafier: Sounds like an agenda item for the
next meeting . . . .
(09:33:14 PM) ke4qqq: stickster_afk: can we ship lcafiero a sip phone
for this adventure?
(09:33:20 PM) ***the_real_lcafier agrees with inode0
(09:33:32 PM) quaid: I have one that needs a PoE adapter
(09:33:39 PM) quaid: I can bring that p'raps
(09:34:00 PM) ke4qqq: ianweller: I thought you were hooking quaid up with that
(09:34:39 PM) quaid: oh?
(09:35:51 PM) ***quaid disappears for a bit
(09:36:07 PM) ke4qqq: alright - has inode0 reappeared?
(09:36:09 PM) inode0: Shall we open the floor now?
(09:36:16 PM) ***ke4qqq raises his hand
(09:36:17 PM) inode0: Any other topics
(09:36:20 PM) inode0: ke4qqq:
(09:36:33 PM) ke4qqq: ok, so OLPC is shipping me 20k worth of XOs
(09:36:42 PM) ke4qqq: that we have 6 months to do something with
(09:36:52 PM) ke4qqq: and show that we have a positive return for them
(09:37:04 PM) ke4qqq: they were very pleased with the QA stuff last release
(09:37:21 PM) ke4qqq: sooooo.... first things first - i need to get
them in Ambassadors hands
(09:37:37 PM) ke4qqq: multiple of them, because your job is to get rid of them.
(09:37:40 PM) inode0: don't you need to get them in developers hands?!
(09:37:41 PM) ke4qqq: to develoeprs
(09:38:00 PM) ke4qqq: I can't do that if people who interact with
potential develoeprs don't have them to hand out
(09:38:23 PM) ***inode0 has no idea how you are planning to disperse them
(09:38:33 PM) ke4qqq: so I'll send 6-10 with inode0 for Pycon....
(09:38:54 PM) ke4qqq: he can keep one, and work on finding some
dedicated python hackers
(09:39:00 PM) inode0: possibly not a good idea since inode0 doesn't
know if he is going to pycon
(09:39:03 PM) ke4qqq: to work on sugar or olpc or whatever
(09:39:13 PM) ke4qqq: well pretend that for my example you are
(09:39:20 PM) herlo: you guys can't forget spot for the FAD at SCaLE :)
(09:39:20 PM) inode0: but we can get them to pycon through someone who is
(09:39:51 PM) jsmidt_: ke4qqq, I'm confused, what are people supposed
to do with these?
(09:40:09 PM) inode0: good place to back up to
(09:40:11 PM) ke4qqq: b/c this is unexpected, I'll likely only ship
some for SCALE this month so as not to tear our shipping budget to
shreds
(09:40:24 PM) ke4qqq: ok
(09:40:28 PM) ke4qqq: so a bit of history
(09:40:41 PM) ke4qqq: OLPC's Give one get one program this year didn't
do so well
(09:40:48 PM) ke4qqq: as a matter of fact it did really poorly....
(09:40:58 PM) ke4qqq: they were dependent on that for funding engineering
(09:41:14 PM) ke4qqq: so now they are working to have a stock f11 work on the xo
(09:41:28 PM) ke4qqq: which means all of the hacks they introduced
have to be merged or coded around
(09:41:34 PM) ke4qqq: which means lots of packaging.
(09:41:46 PM) ke4qqq: in addition there are lots of things that just
need to be written as sugar activities
(09:42:00 PM) ke4qqq: one of the ways that we encourage contributors
to contribute
(09:42:05 PM) ke4qqq: is handing out an XO
(09:42:16 PM) ***pcalarco read on the OLPC wiki that they raised $35M
on this last G1G1
(09:42:44 PM) ke4qqq: pcalarco: that must be the LAST LAST ie 2 chrismases ago
(09:42:47 PM) inode0: sounds wrong
(09:42:50 PM) pcalarco: http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=7502
(09:42:55 PM) ke4qqq: pcalarco: i know the real numbers and that isn't close
(09:43:02 PM) pcalarco: ah, last year sry
(09:43:21 PM) ke4qqq: so they are going to be a pure Fedora distro,
not a remix or anything
(09:43:28 PM) inode0:
http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/g1g1_2008/olpc_bust_g1g1_2008_sales.html
(09:43:31 PM) ke4qqq: and there are 750k oLPC users
(09:43:43 PM) ke4qqq: running what is essentially Fedora now
(09:43:56 PM) the_real_lcafier: there is an active olpc user group in
san francisco that I think we can draw help from
(09:43:58 PM) inode0: that would be from the 2007 one pcalarco
(09:44:09 PM) the_real_lcafier: at san francisco state university
(09:44:13 PM) DemonJester: I could probably get about 8 devs between
local college guys here and rochester if I can get them
(09:44:28 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: done
(09:44:31 PM) ke4qqq: i'll ship you 10
(09:44:40 PM) DemonJester: that would be cool!
(09:44:46 PM) ke4qqq: now
(09:45:00 PM) ke4qqq: the onus is on us to prove that this is beneficial
(09:45:08 PM) ke4qqq: so we need to know who they went to
(09:45:12 PM) ke4qqq: and what they are doing with them
(09:45:16 PM) ke4qqq: and show results
(09:45:22 PM) herlo: hrm, so can I be a negative nilly for a bit?
(09:45:24 PM) ke4qqq: be it a month down the road or 6 months
(09:45:32 PM) ke4qqq: give me one more minute
(09:45:39 PM) ke4qqq: and then you can
(09:45:42 PM) herlo: k, I'll go when you are ready, just let me know
(09:45:52 PM) ke4qqq: and that also means you need to know what the
OLPC sig is looking for
(09:46:06 PM) ke4qqq: so read the minutes, send email to the list, etc.
(09:46:10 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: go negative
(09:46:52 PM) herlo: I'm all for making the OLPC successful, but I'm
certain that while we can get some devs and even do some follow up,
I'd like to know what we're going to do to make sure we cover our
bases and track these things.
(09:46:52 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: will do
(09:47:35 PM) herlo: handing them out left and right only guarantees
that we're giving them away.  I'm happy to take a few myself (send
them to lcafiero), but I find myself torn because tracking progress
and providing results are very intertwined
(09:47:56 PM) herlo: so my negative comment is, who's going to track
all these laptops and the devs we give them to?  And how?
(09:48:00 PM) ke4qqq: wiki page should work I think, that also gives
us a basis to follow up
(09:48:13 PM) ke4qqq: the people who hand them out should do the follow up
(09:48:18 PM) herlo: it seems like a big job to do for each of us who
is already busy with a bunch of other things and lives to boot
(09:48:34 PM) herlo: I'm just trying to put a bit of reality in here...
(09:48:51 PM) the_real_lcafier: herlo is right, but I'm willing to add
that to the list of things I have to do in my somewhat mundane life
(09:48:54 PM) ke4qqq: one of the problems that olpc had a problem with
is handling this program....I mean we asked for 4, and it took us
months - and that's with two Fedora people on the inside lobbying for
it, to get them.
(09:49:27 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: but you said you got a ton coming quickly
this last time right?
(09:49:31 PM) ke4qqq: nothing says you have to, but i don't think it's
more onerous than doing followup with people from shows that we do
already
(09:49:50 PM) herlo: we're supposed to follow up with people from shows ?? :-P
(09:49:53 PM) ke4qqq: 100 are enroute, and i'm storing them unless
someone else wants them
(09:50:24 PM) the_real_lcafier: lol @ herlo
(09:50:25 PM) jsmidt_: I can try to find a developer
(09:50:33 PM) ke4qqq: right, the problem olpc had was they'd get
someone interested, they'd start doing work ask for an XO and it'd
never show up
(09:50:41 PM) ke4qqq: or it'd show up after they gave up.
(09:50:45 PM) the_real_lcafier: If you want to send me some for SCaLE,
as herlo suggests, you can send some to me ke4qqq
(09:50:56 PM) herlo: jsmidt_: that's kind of where I am, I don't know
too many developers...
(09:51:02 PM) ke4qqq: the_real_lcafier: I plan on it.
(09:51:11 PM) the_real_lcafier: and I can find people to work on them.
(09:51:28 PM) ke4qqq: it's python for crying out loud, not assembly
(09:51:32 PM) the_real_lcafier: The Felton LUG doesn't realize what a
great project they're about to embark on, bwahahahaha!
(09:51:37 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(09:51:39 PM) herlo: lol
(09:51:40 PM) jsmidt_: I'm sure I can find someone.  If you give one
to give to the_real_lcafier he can get it to me
(09:51:44 PM) jsmidt_: If before Scale
(09:51:47 PM) herlo: I guess I could offer them to the LUGs around here...
(09:51:50 PM) ke4qqq: k
(09:51:58 PM) herlo: might get a few bites..
(09:52:10 PM) ke4qqq: be an interesting project for a lug - a lot of
simple activities are in the request queue right now
(09:52:11 PM) ***herlo is less negative now, but wants a better process
(09:52:14 PM) ke4qqq: like simple addition
(09:52:18 PM) the_real_lcafier: I will also talk to sameer verma at sf
state to see if we can draft some folks from up there.
(09:52:22 PM) ke4qqq: yes, I have to codify the process
(09:52:30 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh so that's an interesting thing
(09:52:35 PM) djf_jeff: ke4qqq: I could use one, being a bugzilla guy
always trying to fix some bug. But for the moment, it will really be
to show off to some government and more useful, to some university and
lug in my region that can help us if the get in the project
(09:52:36 PM) jsmidt_: There has to be developers in the LA area
(09:52:37 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: one app I'd like to see is a real chat
app, one that uses xmpp or something
(09:52:49 PM) jsmidt_: That are interested
(09:52:51 PM) pcalarco: OLPC Summer of Code!
(09:52:54 PM) herlo: ya!
(09:52:59 PM) ke4qqq: I had a college here ready to pay undergrads to
work on OLPC
(09:53:00 PM) ***herlo slaps his horse
(09:53:02 PM) ke4qqq: but
(09:53:14 PM) ke4qqq: OLPC didn't get them a machine fast enough so
they lost funding for it
(09:53:19 PM) ke4qqq: that's the kind of thing we want to avoid
(09:53:22 PM) the_real_lcafier: Clemson?
(09:53:28 PM) ke4qqq: College of Charletson
(09:53:47 PM) ke4qqq: that's the kind of thing that's ideal
(09:54:05 PM) ke4qqq: sooooo all of you people wanting these - fill
out a famna request :0
(09:54:08 PM) the_real_lcafier: I'll also talk to faculty at Oregon
State to see if there's an interest up there.
(09:54:24 PM) the_real_lcafier: +1 ke4qqq
(09:54:44 PM) jsmidt_: ke4qqq, where are famna requests?
(09:54:49 PM) ke4qqq: I told Ed Mcnierney that if he gave us the tools
to do the job that we'd do a better job in 6 motnhs than they have in
2 years.
(09:55:02 PM) ke4qqq: fedorahosted.org/famna-requests
(09:55:06 PM) ke4qqq: right/
(09:55:08 PM) ke4qqq: ?
(09:55:08 PM) pcalarco: I can talk to the folks in CompSci here as
well; there is also interest in using XOs in a University project in
Nigeria that ND has going
(09:55:10 PM) djf_jeff: ke4qqq: but, does it count if it's just one
unit to show off to potential dev, because I don't know 10 devs right
now
(09:55:25 PM) djf_jeff: and I don't want to get 10 olpc just for fun
(09:55:29 PM) ke4qqq: djf_jeff: yes, you'll get oen
(09:55:41 PM) ke4qqq: you have to show them off to get people interested
(09:55:47 PM) ke4qqq: and it's a great geek magnet
(09:55:48 PM) inode0: but we will have to track you djf_jeff :)
(09:55:51 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(09:56:10 PM) ke4qqq: yeah, I do expect some reports about how you are
showing these off - even if just blog posts....
(09:56:13 PM) the_real_lcafier: heh
(09:56:15 PM) ke4qqq: olpc is reading them
(09:56:48 PM) ke4qqq: the reason they agreed aside from greg telling
them to send them to me, was they saw that I pushed OLPC and mentioned
it in my blog at every speaking opportunity
(09:56:50 PM) djf_jeff: np with that, there is a lug meeting each
month with ~15-25 peoples, surely one or two will be interested
(09:56:58 PM) ke4qqq: right
(09:58:01 PM) ke4qqq: and we completely run this - no one is telling
us how, so if you have a good idea for how to increase people working
on Fedora/olpc and it involves an XO, get it done
(09:58:10 PM) ke4qqq: we have the equipment coming
(09:58:19 PM) ke4qqq: it should be here next week
(09:58:33 PM) ke4qqq: and btw
(09:58:45 PM) ke4qqq: the most awesome demonstration i've seen with an XO yet
(09:59:00 PM) ke4qqq: is to watch gdk kick an XO across the room - so
don't be afraid to do that
(09:59:09 PM) the_real_lcafier: cool
(09:59:10 PM) ke4qqq: they really will take it with no problems
(09:59:27 PM) the_real_lcafier: I'd even stand with my arms up as a goalpost
(09:59:32 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(09:59:37 PM) ke4qqq: any questions
(09:59:38 PM) ke4qqq: ?
(09:59:41 PM) djf_jeff: kick like in really big kick?
(09:59:52 PM) djf_jeff: chuck norris style? ;)
(10:00:00 PM) the_real_lcafier: Yeah, they were dropping them a couple
of years ago on purpose at LinuxWorld.
(10:00:04 PM) ke4qqq: like in enough to send a 3-4 lb laptop across a
15 foot room.
(10:00:47 PM) djf_jeff: wow, didn't know it was built so hard
(10:01:14 PM) the_real_lcafier: so we go to
fedorahosted.org/famna-requests, ke4qqq
(10:01:14 PM) ke4qqq: ok - then since no questions - i am done
(10:01:18 PM) inode0: everyone can take a bit of time to think about
this maybe ... sort of sudden news to absorb in 15 minutes
(10:01:19 PM) ke4qqq: yep
(10:01:26 PM) ke4qqq: yeah it is
(10:01:31 PM) the_real_lcafier: Well, it's pretty interesting, yeah.
(10:01:35 PM) ke4qqq: I honestly had doubts about whether they were
going to let us
(10:01:46 PM) ke4qqq: but they left chitown today
(10:01:47 PM) the_real_lcafier: But at least I have several developers
who I know might want to take a stab at it
(10:01:53 PM) inode0: with some thought this group can come up with ideas
(10:01:54 PM) the_real_lcafier: off the top of my head.
(10:02:19 PM) ***the_real_lcafier is being called to dinner
(10:02:26 PM) ke4qqq: and btw, promotion in my opinion is on the same
level as developing if you are working to get contributors (even if
they do nothing but qa work0
(10:02:32 PM) inode0: end of a 2 hour long meeting at the end of a 24
hour long day isn't conducive to clear thinking :)
(10:03:12 PM) ke4qqq: you'll see more about this on the list in a day
or so and a page on the wiki as well
(10:03:28 PM) inode0: ok, before we wrap let me remind everyone next
meeting is in 2 weeks on the 17th
(10:03:35 PM) ***herlo wonders if bi-monthly meetings are the best idea :)
(10:03:47 PM) inode0: try it for one month maybe :)
(10:03:56 PM) inode0: or we'll never know
(10:04:31 PM) herlo: hehe, it's fine with me, gives me more time to
get things ready
(10:04:36 PM) ke4qqq: indeed
(10:04:45 PM) djf_jeff: ke4qqq: what is the status of the olpc
translation just to know?
(10:04:53 PM) inode0: if we need to go into emergency session next
week we can if someone sends the secret signal
(10:05:16 PM) ke4qqq: djf_jeff: it will be the same as Fedora's
translation for this coming release
(10:05:19 PM) ke4qqq: for past i don't know
(10:05:41 PM) djf_jeff: ok, thank you
(10:05:43 PM) ke4qqq: they are going stock F11 for their next release
(10:06:00 PM) djf_jeff: stock F11 with sugar interface?
(10:06:13 PM) ke4qqq: yes
(10:06:18 PM) inode0: perhaps a gregdek visit sometime in our future
would be good?
(10:06:24 PM) ke4qqq: perhaps so
(10:06:33 PM) djf_jeff: wow, really a good point for Fedora
(10:06:34 PM) ke4qqq: next meeting?
(10:06:51 PM) ke4qqq: it's always been Fedora (since f7) but they
added their own stuff to it
(10:06:56 PM) ke4qqq: now it's stock
(10:07:04 PM) ***DemonJester notes I need to make time to attend the
olpc meetings again
(10:07:27 PM) inode0: will there be a lot of SCaLE/FAD stuff next meeting?
(10:07:54 PM) inode0: we also need to set the post February meeting
schedule before it is post February
(10:08:17 PM) inode0: as I requested proposed times so far there have been none
(10:08:45 PM) ke4qqq: that sounds like we stay the same
(10:08:54 PM) ***DemonJester agrees
(10:09:27 PM) inode0: by same you mean 1st/3rd Tuesday? or weekly on Tuesday?
(10:09:48 PM) inode0: or just Tuesday same time whenever we decide?
(10:10:05 PM) ke4qqq: time wise
(10:10:09 PM) ke4qqq: 9pm eastern
(10:10:26 PM) ke4qqq: we are still evaluating the twice monthly meeting
(10:10:45 PM) inode0: I'm going to post one last time and announce the
decision will be made next meeting ... so if there are no specific
times proposed for the change it will stay the same.
(10:11:17 PM) inode0: if there are we'll take it up in 2 weeks?
(10:11:33 PM) ***DemonJester heads out
(10:11:41 PM) inode0: we need to rap this up now
(10:11:44 PM) ke4qqq: +1
(10:11:51 PM) inode0: thanks everyone for the long night
(10:11:52 PM) inode0: 5
(10:11:54 PM) inode0: 4
(10:11:57 PM) inode0: 3
(10:11:58 PM) inode0: 2
(10:11:59 PM) inode0: 1
(10:12:01 PM) inode0: EOF


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