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RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution



I don’t know how these works in the rest of the world, but I’m one of the
firsts Ambassadors in Brazil. We are 44 Ambassadors here, and we know who is
working and who isn’t.

To be more focused in our country, we created a local mail list, and are
working to provide local actions. In this mean time, 5 long years, we talked
with Fedora Board to remove inactive Ambassadors, but how we set who is
working and who isn’t? We don’t, we just try to contact every Ambassador,
from time to time,  to get an report of their actions. I can tell you that
10% or 20% doesn't even respond our e-mails. We know that more 10% or 20%
isn't working with Fedora, assign Ambassador Group to have their name in our
staff. In this situation I believe necessary a kick off, only in this
situation.

Cheers,

Rodrigo Menezes



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[mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces redhat com] Em nome de Adli Azaddin
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:56
Para: fedora-ambassadors-list redhat com
Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution

i agree with Rodrigo Menezes

cheers again :D
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Rodrigo Menezes
<rodrigomenezes12 yahoo com br> wrote:
María,

How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project?

Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a upstream
Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil),
I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you
define if I'm working or not?

How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time to
distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot.

Cheers,

Rodrigo Menezes



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[mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces redhat com] Em nome de María Leandro
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26
Para: fedora-ambassadors-list redhat com
Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution

We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any
project. What do we do with them?

I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate
them to the team
2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel <angel linux org bd>
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack <mspevack redhat com> wrote:
The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once
and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors.

GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS:

(1) Housekeeping.  All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned
from time to time.  In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because
non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't
receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them.  Other
sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is
packaging.  If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need
to be given to a new owner.

Pages that need to a "refresh" policy:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that
CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called
Directory.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need
this page?  Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose?

How often are these pages currently updated?  Is the process manual or
automated, or a mixture of both?


(2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per country".
 That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors.
 People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and
Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be
visiting it.

We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you interested
in Fedora?  Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information"
and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near
you.


(3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the
people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the
Ambassadors part of Fedora.  If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they
are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with
organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project.

I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure
group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*.  It
doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means
that I don't participate in that part of Fedora.


HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS?

We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair.

An active ambassador is someone who:

1) Has joined the group in FAS.
2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list.
3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki.

And does one or more of:

* Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle.
* Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month.
* Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/
questions.
* Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new
users.

+1
 
WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS?

If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group
in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list.

But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by
country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so
that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing
things.

When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back
on the directory.

==================

Flame me.

--Max

But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long
time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!!


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