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Fedora Weekly News 185
- From: Pascal Calarco <pcalarco nd edu>
- To: fedora-news-list <fedora-news-list redhat com>, fedora-announce-list redhat com
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- Subject: Fedora Weekly News 185
- Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:05:55 -0400
* 1 Fedora Weekly News Issue 185
o 1.1 Announcements
+ 1.1.1 Fedora 12 (Constantine)
+ 1.1.2 Upcoming Events
o 1.2 Planet Fedora
+ 1.2.1 General
o 1.3 Ambassadors
+ 1.3.1 Event in Tripura, India
+ 1.3.2 Get on the map
+ 1.3.3 Get the word out about your F11 event
o 1.4 QualityAssurance
+ 1.4.1 Test Days
+ 1.4.2 Weekly meetings
+ 1.4.3 F12 Alpha blocker bug review meeting
+ 1.4.4 Updated list of components for priority triage
+ 1.4.5 Xfce spin testing
+ 1.4.6 What to do with Fedora 11 target bugs
+ 1.4.7 QA meeting time/date adjustment
+ 1.4.8 Anaconda triage project progress
+ 1.4.9 Bugzilla semantics debate
o 1.5 Artwork
+ 1.5.1 Schedule for Fedora 12
+ 1.5.2 Wallpapers
o 1.6 Virtualization
+ 1.6.1 Enterprise Management Tools List
# 188.8.131.52 Good Bye to ET-Mgmt-Tools List
+ 1.6.2 Fedora Virtualization List
# 184.108.40.206 Virtual Machine Disk Setup Tips
+ 1.6.3 Libguestfs List
# 220.127.116.11 New Release libguestfs 1.0.59
# 18.104.22.168 New Hypervisor Migration Tool virt-v2v
+ 1.6.4 Libvirt List
# 22.214.171.124 Split RPC Dispatching from Remote API
# 126.96.36.199 Allow QEMU VMs to be Run Unprivileged
# 188.8.131.52 cgroups Support in QEMU Driver
# 184.108.40.206 Experimental Tunnelled Migration
- Fedora Weekly News Issue 185 -
Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 185 for the week ending July 19,
Highlights from this week's issue include an overview of feature details
for Fedora 12 (Constantine) in our Announcements beat, followed by news
from all over the Fedora Planet, including instructions on how to
install Chromium (the open source version of Google's Chrome browser) on
Fedora, thoughts on the Association for Competitive Technology's recent
accusations against the European Commission "of having a bias in favor
of open source", and a review of Hannah Montana Linux, along with much
more. This week's Ambassadors beat features an event report from
Tripura, India and highlights the worldwide Fedora Ambassador map --
find your closest Ambassadors! The Quality Assurance beat features
details on the second upcoming Fit and Finish Test Day, to focus on
power management and suspend/resume in Fedora with opportunities to
participate in the testing. Also a review of this past week's meetings,
Fedora 12 bug blocker review and Fedora 11 bug triage. The Art beat this
week features details on the Fedora 12 design schedule and also more
detail on wallpaper development that FWN has reported on in recent
weeks. This week's issue rounds out with much Fedora virtualization news
goodness, including details on transition from the Enterprise Management
Tools lists, some very helpful Fedora virtual machine disk setup tips,
and details of new versions of libguestfs and virt-v2v. This is but a
sampling of this week's content and we hope you enjoy this week's issue!
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FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Adam Williamson
-- Announcements --
In this section, we cover announcements from the Fedora Project  .
Contributing Writer: Max Spevack
--- Fedora 12 (Constantine) ---
The main topic on the announcement lists this past week was Fedora 12's
feature process. John Poelstra sent out several emails about features.
An initial note was sent on July 14th listing feature pages that were
in need of an update, and that list included 15 features.
On July 16th, a second email was sent, requesting that the Fedora
Engineering Steering Committee drop the features that had not been
updated. The list of 15 had by this point been narrowed down to only 5,
meaning that 2/3 of the features were updated as requested. By July
17th, all but 3 of the 15 features had been updated.
As FWN goes to press, the feature freeze is scheduled for July 28th.
Please make sure that your Fedora 12 features are in the proper
status and ready for FESCo.
--- Upcoming Events ---
Consider attending or volunteering at an event near you!
* North America (NA)
* Central & South America (LATAM)
* Europe, Middle East, and Africa (EMEA)
* India, Asia, Australia (India/APJ)
-- Planet Fedora --
In this section, we cover the highlights of Planet Fedora - an
aggregation of blogs from Fedora contributors worldwide.
Contributing Writer: Adam Batkin
--- General ---
James Morris mentioned how Red Hat has handled a recent 2.6.30 kernel
null pointer vulnerability, and who it affects (probably no RHEL customers).
Luca Foppiano described how to configure Twinkle, the QT VoIP client,
to work with Fedora Talk.
Peter Hutterer continued the XI2 Recipes series with "the common
input events and the data they include". Peter also explained some
additional details about new XLib APIs to handle cookies and associated
Paul W. Frields wrote about configuring and optimizing postfix for
Kevin Higgins posted photos from the Vancouver Fedora 11 Release Party.
Michael Tiemann questioned the Association for Competitive
Technology's recent accusations against the European Commission "of
having a bias in favor of open source."
Greg DeKoenigsberg suggested that "creating a strong 'patch culture'"
for Spacewalk (and by extension, open source projects in general) can be
accomplished by setting a strong example. "People behave as they see
Luke Macken posted some pretty pictures of Fedora 9 package update
Seth Vidal came up with a list of "critical path" packages "that
require special care when updating in rawhide and releases". For more
information, see the Critical Path Packages Proposal.
Daniel Walsh added another SELinux how-to, to the ongoing series,
this time fixing a "denial message about vpnc_t trying to read a file
Matthew Garrett chimed in about RMS' recent comments regarding the
"cult of the virgin of emacs".
Máirín Duffy displayed mockups of a net system-config-selinux dialog
Marc Ferguson instructed how to install Chromium (the Open Source
project version of Google's Chrome web browser) on Fedora 11.
James Laska called out for anyone interested in joining the Fedora
QA efforts, and pointed out some exemplary guides on the Fedora Wiki to
assist in debugging particular projects.
Karsten Wade explained some background around the Fedora
Infrastructure team's implementation of Zikula, a new content management
system that will be used for various Fedora teams.
Andrew Vermilya Jamison reviewed KDE4 on Fedora, from the
perspective of a Gnome user.
Julian Aloofi reviewed Hannah Montana Linux. Scary.
-- Ambassadors --
In this section, we cover Fedora Ambassadors Project.
Contributing Writer: Larry Cafiero
--- Event in Tripura, India ---
Shakthi Kannan conducted a Fedora workshop ("GNUtsav") at National
Institute of Technology (NIT), Agartala, Tripura, India on July 18-19, 2009.
Shakthi says, "I would like to thank the Fedora project for sponsoring
the event. Special thanks to the student volunteers who worked hard in
organizing the event. Mention must be made for the support of the
faculty, Prof. Swapan Debbarma, Prof. Anupam Jamatia ("ajnr" on
freenode), and Prof. Dwijen Rudrapal."
Shakthi's presentation sessions included:
* i-want-2-do-project. tell-me-wat-2-do-fedora.
* Badam Halwa of Embedded Systems
* di-git-ally managing love letters
* Fedora Electronic Lab (demo)
* Packaging RPM -- Red hot, Paneer (butter) Masala
The presentations are available from:
As customary, here are few photos that Shakthi took during the trip:
--- Get on the map ---
Want to find the nearest ambassador? How about one in Romania? Now you can.
Susmit Shannigrahi reports that finding out the nearest ambassadors,
which was once a tedious task, is now as simple as viewing a map. The
map is at https://fedoraproject.org/membership-map and instructions on
how to place yourself on the map can be found at
--- Get the word out about your F11 event ---
Fedora 11 was released on Tuesday, June 9, and with it a variety of
activities around the release will be forthcoming. As such, with the
recent release of Fedora 11, this is a reminder that posting your event
on Fedora Weekly News can help get the word out. Contact FWN Ambassador
correspondent Larry Cafiero at lcafiero-AT-fedoraproject-DOT-org with
announcements of upcoming events -- and don't forget to e-mail reports
after the events as well.
-- QualityAssurance --
In this section, we cover the activities of the QA team.
Contributing Writer: Adam Williamson
--- Test Days ---
There was no Test Day last week.
No Test Day is scheduled on the main track next week. However, the new
Fit and Finish Test Day track will be holding its second event, on
power management and suspend/resume. The Test Day page already includes
several test scenarios, and a live CD for testing will soon be
available. The Fit and Finish project is a great effort to improve the
details of the Fedora project, so please show up to support this event!
The Test Day will be held on 2009-07-21 (Tuesday) in IRC
#fedora-fit-and-finish (note this is not the same channel where main
track Test Days take place).
If you would like to propose a main track Test Day for the Fedora 12
cycle, please contact the QA team via email or IRC, or file a ticket in
--- Weekly meetings ---
The QA group weekly meeting was held on 2009-07-15. The full log is
available. James Laska reported that he had filed tickets to track
the creation of the three Debugging pages identified as desirable by
Christopher Beland, and would mail the list to try and attract
volunteers to work on the pages.
James also noted he is still working on the Goals page, using a
personal space draft, but was not yet ready to go into production
James and Jesse Keating reported on the revisions to the Fedora 12
schedule in terms of QA and release engineering. The latest revised
schedules are available: QA and release engineering.
James reminded the group about the then-forthcoming Alpha Blocker Bug
Day, which would be held on 2009-07-17. Adam Williamson suggested
reviewing F12Blocker bugs (which block only the final release) to see if
they should be promoted to blocking the Alpha release also. James
brought up the question of the criteria for Alpha blocker bugs. After
some discussion, there was general agreement to work on the basis of
considering only high-severity bugs in critical path components (as
defined by the Critical Path Packages Proposal) as Alpha blockers.
James mentioned that the Fedora 12 Test Day schedule is still currently
lightly populated, but he and Adam have several events planned which
have not yet been set down to specific dates.
Will Woods reported on the progress of the AutoQA project. He has now
completed writing the test cases for the Rawhide Acceptance Test
Plan. He is now starting to work on writing automated tests for these
cases, using autotest. He pointed out that progress information can also
be found in AutoQA trac.
Finally, the group discussed changing the meeting day and/or time. Adam
suggested creating a matrix of possible times and having each interested
member fill out the times at which they are available, as has been done
by other groups in the past. James offered to create the matrix and
notify the mailing list so that people could fill it in once it was ready.
Jóhann Guðmundsson pointed out that the QA group could potentially be
affected by the ongoing question about the use of Fedora trademarks in
non-official spins, as it frequently generates non-official spins for
use in Test Days. The group agreed to monitor this on an ongoing basis.
The Bugzappers group weekly meeting was held on 2009-07-14. The full
log is available. Richard June apologized for not having asked
Brennan Ashton for an update on the triage metrics project.
The group reviewed Niels Haase's proposed expanded list of priority
triage components. Edward Kirk thought that some of the components
were not truly critical. The list was tabled for review when Niels could
be present at a meeting.
The group discussed the latest version of Matej Cepl's greasemonkey
script. It seems to have been deployed by several triagers with no
problems so far.
Other topics were tabled due to the absence of several group members for
The next QA weekly meeting will be held on 2009-07-22 at 1600 UTC in
#fedora-meeting, and the next Bugzappers weekly meeting on 2009-07-21 at
1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting.
--- F12 Alpha blocker bug review meeting ---
John Poelstra announced the first blocker bug review meeting for
Fedora 12, to be held on 2009-07-17, mainly to review blocker bug status
for the upcoming Alpha release. Later, Adam Williamson posted a recap of
the meeting, recording that it had been well attended and had been
able to review the whole F12 Alpha and main blocker lists, remove some
from the lists, promote some to block the Alpha release, and check on
the development status of several bugs.
--- Updated list of components for priority triage ---
Niels Haase announced that he had updated his proposed expansion of
the list of priority components for the Bugzappers group to focus on
triaging, based on the Critical Path Packages Proposal, as previously
approved at Bugzappers meetings.
--- Xfce spin testing ---
Adam Miller announced that, he would be building a test live image
with the Xfce desktop roughly each week, and would appreciate testing
and reporting of problems. He also included a link to the first build.
--- What to do with Fedora 11 target bugs ---
John Poelstra pointed out that the F11Target bug was still open
(and depending on 321 bugs), and asked what people thought should be
done about it. Niels Haase suggested moving all that had been triaged
to F12Target. Mark McLoughlin suggested having F11Target block
F12Target, effectively moving the bugs to F12Target wholesale. Matthias
Clasen opined that "I don't think it makes sense to accumulate hundreds
of bugs on the target tracker, if they only end up getting pushed from
release to release". Adam Williamson agreed, and suggested just
closing the tracker bug, as had been done for Fedora 9 and Fedora 10. No
final decision was yet reached.
--- QA meeting time/date adjustment ---
As discussed at the weekly meeting, James Laska announced that he had
created a matrix to track possible new times and days for the QA group
weekly meeting, and asked everyone interested in attending the meetings
to fill out the matrix with the days and times when they are available.
--- Anaconda triage project progress ---
Adam Williamson reported on the progress of the ongoing project to
integrate anaconda triage into the Bugzappers group and workflow. He
thanked Andy Lindeberg for her efforts in joining the mailing list,
weekly meetings and IRC channel, and in working to codify the current
workflow used to triage anaconda bugs. He recorded that meeting and
email discussions had revealed little in the way of fundamental
conflicts between the official Bugzappers workflow and the Anaconda
workflow. He had therefore modified the components and triagers
page to list the Anaconda workflow page as the special instructions
for triaging anaconda, and note that additional triagers are now welcome
for anaconda if someone has a burning desire to work on it, although
Andy is currently covering the area very effectively.
--- Bugzilla semantics debate ---
Adam Williamson asked the list about a question he had been
discussing with Andy Lindeberg, regarding the semantics of the NEW and
ASSIGNED states in Bugzilla. He proposed the use of a keyword (instead
of the ASSIGNED state) to indicate a bug has been triaged, and either
removing the ASSIGNED state entirely, or noting in the workflow page
that it has no real function and is effectively equivalent to NEW. This
led to an enthusiastic debate, with many other proposals made, although
all seemed to agree that the current state of ASSIGNED meaning that a
bug has been triaged is not optimal. No final consensus was yet reached
on what changes, if any, to propose to the configuration of Bugzilla
and/or the official workflow.
-- Artwork --
In this section, we cover the Fedora Design Team.
Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei
--- Schedule for Fedora 12 ---
After an IRC conference with the Design Team leader Máirín Duffy and
Paul Frields, John Poelstra posted on the mailing list a schedule
for Fedora 12 "Some of the key ideas for the planning and schedule for
this release are to focus on the importance of the wallpaper and
iteratively improve it.... making sure it is in the alpha and then
releasing updated packaged versions in rawhide each week."
The debate heated a bit when William Jon McCann arrogantly repeated
for a number of items "Not relevant to the desktop spin", prompting a
reply from Máirín "This schedule is for the design team, not for the
desktop spin. The KDE spin does need this splash, so we help produce it
for them. We work on designs for all of Fedora, all spins including KDE
and Electronics Lab and EDU, as well as the main website and various web
--- Wallpapers ---
Following an IRC session with Máirín Duffy and Nicu Buculei, María
Leandro posted a set of *very cute* design proposals for the
Education/Kids wallpaper. She also blogged about the designs.
María also advanced a photo-manipulation concept based on the
'Constantine' theme. After a round of inquiries she cleared the
license of the source photos. However, as Máirín Duffy observed, a
photomanipulation is not preferred as default "We would much prefer a
vector-based graphic as the default wallpaper. As María said, her XCF
was 69 MB. This would make it very difficult for others to work on the
-- Virtualization --
In this section, we cover discussion of Fedora virtualization
technologies on the @et-mgmnt-tools-list, @fedora-virt,
@fedora-xen-list, @libguestfs, @libvirt-list, @virt-tools-list, and
Contributing Writer: Dale Bewley
--- Enterprise Management Tools List ---
This section contains the discussion happening on the et-mgmt-tools list
---- Good Bye to ET-Mgmt-Tools List ----
Daniel Berrange announced the end of life for the et-mgmt-tools list
and the birth of the @virt-tools-list. "In retrospect this was a really
bad choice of names for a mailing list and causes endless confusion for
people wrt what to discuss where. Most of the emerging technology
projects have lists of their own
image:Echo-package-16px.pnglibvirt) and it is about time that
image:Echo-package-16px.pngvirt-manager and friends joined them."
"To that end we have created a new mailing list 'virt-tools-list'.
This will be the new home for all developer & user discussions relating
to the following applications:"
--- Fedora Virtualization List ---
This section contains the discussion happening on the fedora-virt list.
---- Virtual Machine Disk Setup Tips ----
Rich Mahn recognized "that the best performance for virtual disks is
with the backing storage on the host being a parititon or LV. Since I
want some flexibility I will use LVs, with virtio disks on most of the
VMs." But Rich had several questions (paraphrased below) about how best
to configure the backing stores for virtual machines and the disks
within them. Daniel Berrange provided some answers (also paraphrased below).
* Q: If each VM needs three file systems: /boot, root, and swap.
"Is it better to create three LVs (each) on the hosts, and treat it as
three separate disks on the VMs?"
A: "There's no point separating /boot & root onto separate virtual
disks." "The only separation I'd do is for the OS system disks, vs
application data disks..." This makes it easier to provision a new VM
with the latest disto and reassign the data disk to the new guest.
* Q: "Do I get better performance/stability by NOT using lvm on the
A: "LVM makes is easier to resize guest FS. eg add a second disk to
the guest, format it as a LVM PV and add it to your VG. That's pretty
much only wayto add more capacity on a running guest."
* Q: "Do I get the best performance/stability by creating an LV for
each disk I need, and then NOT partitioning it on the VM, but using the
whole disk for a file system?"
A: "Anaconda will refuse to install onto a raw disk, it mandates
partitioning. Second point is that not using a partition table can cause
* Q: "Are these issues too miniscule in their effects that I
probably shouldn't even be worrying about" trying to avoid using
partitions and LVM?
A: "That's certainly my opinion. Sure you get some performance but
you loose the great administrative flexibility of LVM."
--- Libguestfs List ---
This section contains the discussion happening on the libguestfs list.
---- New Release libguestfs 1.0.59 ----
Richard Jones announced the release of
* Support for Linux extended attributes.
* Allow guestfish to be controlled remotely, so you can use one
guestfish instance in a long-running shell script.
* Support for reiserfs.
* New function 'guestfs_zfile' -- 'file' inside compressed files.
* New guestfish command 'reopen' -- reopen guestfish connection.
* guestfish -x option (echo commands).
* New function 'guestfs_version' to get the library version.
See previous release announcement for 1.0.57 in FWN#184 and be sure
to see the project homepage for extensive usage examples.
---- New Hypervisor Migration Tool virt-v2v ----
Matthew Booth posted his "initial thoughts on the design for the v2v
tool". This tool will be used to implement the planned Fedora 12 feature
"Xen to KVM Migration".
--- Libvirt List ---
This section contains the discussion happening on the libvir-list.
---- Split RPC Dispatching from Remote API Handlers ----
Daniel Berrange posted a set of 9 patches. "The current libvirtd
remote protocol dispatch code is written in such a way that assumes the
only incoming messages from clients are method calls. This makes it very
hard to support data streams. This patch series does an incrmental
refactoring of alot of code to allow data streams to be easily wired in."
---- Allow QEMU VMs to be Run Unprivileged ----
Daniel Berrange submitted a patch which "makes it such that the"
privileged "libvirtd daemon can run unprivileged QEMU guests. The
default remains unchanged with QEMU running as root:root, but the
package maintainer can request an alternative default user at build
time, and the sysadmin can also override this at install time with
This patch is in support of the planned Fedora 12 feature
---- cgroups Support in QEMU Driver ----
Daniel Berrange added "cgroups support to the QEMU driver."
---- Experimental Tunnelled Migration ----
Chris Lalancette posted "the current version of the tunnelled
migration patch, based upon Daniel Berrange's generic datastream work.
In order to use this work, you must first grab danpb's data-streams git
branch". Chris's work on secure guest migration was covered in FWN
--- end FWN #185 ---
Pascal Calarco, Fedora Ambassador, Indiana, USA
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