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Re: Thoughts on recent threads



Hi John,

John Baer wrote:
Therefore, as a submitter of artwork to the Fedora art team I request the following.

1) Publish a development schedule to the wiki. Detail as much as possible exactly "what" is to be complete (visual examples are good) and the outcome of the deadline. This could also become a dashboard if one were to assign a status (ie. Green/Yellow/Red or AheadOfSchedule/OnSchedule/Late).

John, we've had this available here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes

Bill Nottingham *just* sent out the FC7 schedule this week and I didn't have a chance to update it as others decided to override our existing schedule. When I created the schedule on the FC7Themes page, I was guesstimating good deadlines for each round and we discussed the deadline for round 2 openly on this list to account for the holidays [1]. I didn't have a final date for round 3, because I did not know the deadline for FC7 test 2 or test 3 yet. I would be perfectly happy to update that page with Bill's recently-published schedule in mind, however, with a due date for round 3.

I'm not sure how with the information I had on hand at the time, however, that the schedule there could have been any more clear. As well as publishing this schedule on the wiki, I also sent it to this list [2], It's in a story I submitted to Fedora News [3], and I also posted the link in my blog which is syndicated on Fedora Planet [4].

All of the items to be created have been available on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview for a very long time (before Diana's recent modifications) and have been linked to on the Artwork/FC7Themes page. I really don't want to talk about that particular topic any more, though, I don't think it's good for my blood pressure.

2) Fedora needs to communicate it's vision clearly to the group. This vision should also reside on the wiki. For example, if Fedora desires not to theme the splash screen of Open Office make the declaration, if Fedora doesn't care make the declaration. If Fedora desires to use the color blue in new theme development make the declaration.

We brought up the question of OOo splash screens and discussed it openly. Would you prefer someone make declarations rather than discussing issues like this out in the open?

The point of round 2 in the theme process is to play around with different ways of rendering the ideas we came up in round one. See the first paragraph under "Participate in FC7 Theme Development" at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes. I don't think anyone really cares what the color is to make that declaration - really if you feel strongly about using some non-blue color, well... go for it! And show us what you come up with, and we'll discuss it.

3) The team needs an ambassador to Fedora. The perfect example is my question on changing the RHGB program. I would add this person should not be an active submitter of artwork and can change from time to time.

The reason is in addition to ambassador this person should be a coach to team submitters. As this person will more than likely be from Fedora, Fedora should decide who is best qualified to fill the role.

Your question about RHGB was discussed openly on this list. I actually discussed whether or not RHGB could do what you wanted to do with it with Ray Strode, who is the currently the Fedora package maintainer of RHGB, and I got back to you. Was there something wrong with how that went down?

4) I would ask the team to communicate visually. Have an idea or see an improvement for a submission? Mock it up, a picture is truly worth a 1000 words. We agreed to only use open source products for development (mainly gimp & inkscape) so passing files should not be an issue.

+1 ! Make sure you always upload your SVG and/or XCF sourcefiles when submitting!

5) I would ask team members to post their intentions to the list server. I had no idea a forum post was made and an artwork theme poll was underway. A wonderful idea but I would have liked the opportunity to comment and participate in the forum thread. (If that was done and I missed it, great.)

I didn't know about the Fedora Forum post about the FC7 themes until one of the Fedora Forums community members emailed me about it a couple of weeks ago. I thought I had included it in my community feedback post [5], but looking back it looks like I didn't - I might have found out about it after that post. I am planning on writing up another set of community feedback as I continue to get lots and lots of feedback on my blog post as well as in Fedora Forums.

So where are we now?

In my mind the development of the "Flying High Theme" needed to evolved to the point Fedora could give the thumbs up or down. I believe I have accomplished that goal and the result of the effort is posted to the "preview" wiki.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPreview

I know if I were entrusted in making the decision on which theme to use I would want to see as much as possible. If I were purchasing an auto I want to see more than the bumper. To do less places the project at risk of getting something less than desired. Once the decision on the theme is made, the effort becomes refinement and polish.

The original date we had for that decision was February 12th. We may need to set that a couple of weeks back, though, considering Bill's schedule for FC7.

In conclusion what I see before us now is an opportunity for improvement. Let's agree Fedora 7 can be as good as we want it to be.

+1

~m

[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-December/msg00027.html

[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-December/msg00034.html

[3] http://fedoranews.org/cms/node/2192

[4] http://mihmo.livejournal.com/35195.html

[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-December/msg00117.html


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