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Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)



On 1/1/08, Máirín Duffy <duffy redhat com> wrote:
> Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is
> > provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best
> > listen to it if you can.
>
> Sorry, I didn't, I don't have much time these days. A summary of actual
> issues brought up would be helpful.
>
> >> The wallpaper could have been more exciting, yes. The rest of the
> >> artwork I think is better with a more simple design, though, without too
> >> much in-your-face branding. We don't want the distro to be akin to an
> >> overly gaudy person wearing way too much makeup, you know?
> >
> > I see your point of view and I understand it. I must tell you that I
> > don't have anything againgst Fedora design but I honestly don't see
> > any big difference between Fedora 6 (which I run at work) and Fedora 8
> > which I run at home.
>
> You don't see a difference between the artwork in Fedora 6 and Fedora 8?
> You must be in the far minority. Fedora 6 had much darker colored
> artwork than Fedora 8, and it was much more heavily branded.


http://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL
http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBL

Look at these two screenshots, can you guess which is FC6 and which is
F8? You probably can... but I would bet lot's of people wouldn't. One
is my work FC6 desktop and other is my home Fedora 8.


> > If I took screenshots and compared them I would
> > probably see differences but to an ordinary user and not art team who
> > works on those changes they are so subtle that we don't see them. Only
> > real difference we users actually see is the wallpaper.
>
> I think maybe you're talking more about GTK+ and metacity themes, while
> in our discussion about the Fedora 9 artwork we are talking about the
> artwork - the wallpaper, splash screens, etc. The former hasn't changed
> very much no, the latter has changed dramatically and I am not sure how
> you could actually argue that any differently.

Yes :) Sorry for the confusion, but I was talking generally about
complete Fedora look and artwork, I'm not too much familiar with the
terms you probably use every day, so sorry for the confusion.

The grub graphical menu, splash screens and wallpape are different but
complete look of Fedora hasn't changed that much - here I think about
GTK+ and metacity themes and icons.

> > I use fedora desktop around 10h per day but I look at firefox, gaim
> > and openoffice and not widgets. The parts of the Gnome I look the most
> > are top and bottom panels and of course wallpaper...
>
> Okay, that is different than the artwork we are discussing for sure. If
> you have a GTK+ and metacity theme you would like to propose for
> consideration in F9 that would be great. Artwork though is a very

I can ask the author of the theme I posted you the screenshot because
I'm not the author, but please first tell me what you think of it?

> different process. I am not sure though how you would confuse Martin's
> sketches of water waves with designs for GTK+ and metacity themes, that
> seems a bit of a leap.
>
> > Could I trouble you for an oppinion?
> > Did you have an opportunity to run LinuxMint? If not please look at
> > this screenshot:
> > http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintmenu.png
> >
> > What do you think about the theme on Gnome panels. I believe that
> > fedora hasn't changer it's... maybe ever, no? What is your opinion on
> > that? I must admit that the LinuxMint design team really surprised
> > me... they had some "experiments" with the look of their distro that
> > didn't came out well in some previous version, but I must admit that I
> > really love the panels - it is subtle but still looks very nice.
>
> That looks like it's the applications menu from SuSE. I don't really
> like it from a usability POV - it appears to overwhelm the user with
> choices. It also looks a bit too much like Windows I think. I think the
> menu we have in Fedora is much easier and less overwhelming to use but I
> guess I would have to see or run some comparative usability studies to
> know if the SuSE-style menu has a negative impact on usability. (I am
> guessing so from a comparison of the number items presented. Less items
> tend to be easier to work with.)
>
> ~m

I was asking you to look at the artwork, to be more precise to look at
the gnome panels GTK+ theme - not the Gnome slab application menu.


That isn't subtle, that is a major difference compared to default
gnome applications menu. I like it how MintLinux has implemented it
but I hate, hate, hate how OpenSuse has implemented it, but that is
offtopic.

Valent.


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