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Re: [Echo] New mail-* icons (total of eleven icons)

Nicu Buculei wrote:
Martin Sourada wrote:
On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 11:35 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
You have two icons, one pointing left (reply) and another pointing right (forward). Not sure the likeness to the forward operation is wise. Here is how this icon looks in the default Thunderbird theme: the same back arrow as for "reply" but *two* envelopes (you reply by using more than one mail) - but this may not work at 16x16, here you do not display the envelope.

I use Evolution so I am quite used to the current Echo icons which use
(the 24x24 variants are displayed there) the same metaphor I used here.
It's the same with Gnome icon theme, though they do not use straight
arrows. It's further distinguished by colour (same colours like in gnome
to keep consistent with them). Also the mail-forward bears now some
likeness to forward, which is IMHO good. I also checked oxygen icons and
they also use same metaphot.

I personally would think a little bit at loss at the meaning of the
Thunderbird icon, as you describe it. Basically when you forward a mail

Screenshot attached.

the point is that you take the original mail and send it over to someone
else, i.e. forward it, you need not to add another explanatory mail to
that - thus the combination of forward arrow and one mail envelope.

I have to disagree. "Reply all" will send the reply to all people listed in TO: or CC: (is kind of a primitive mailing list substitute), all the people receiving your reply already have the original email. You don't send the message to any new address (thus it does not involve anything like forward).

These days, the most common usage for "reply all" is when a mailing list does not se the Reply-to header and when using a plain "reply" button your message is sent only to the original sender, not also to the list. So you have to use "Reply all" to send it both to the original sender and to the list.

However having two envelopes and one "reply" arrow seem to me more like
replying to more than one e-mail at once (sometimes might be an useful
feature :-D)... But come to think of it, it might be useful to have both
ltr and rtl variants (sadly enough nothing supports it for these icons)
since the directions of arrows have opposite symbolic meaning in rtl...

But thanks for the suggestion :)

Note: I think it is a mistake that the 16x16 icon has both of the arrows pointing left (back), unlike the other sizes. The set should be consistent internally.

I just followed the example set by gnome icon theme - they use arrows
pointing in both directions in bigger sizes and arrows pointing only
left in 16x16. Oxygen uses doubled arrow pointing left in all sizes. Do
you think I should try to rework the bigger sizes, the 16x16 or leave it
as is now?

I think now is a bug (and also a bug in the gnome icon theme), so the arrows in all the variant of the icon should point the same directions. I leave up to decide if the direction is only left or both left and right based or may take above of "reply all" not being related to "forward".
Totally agree that this is inconsistent and bad. I like your ideas a lot better.
Did you file a bug against gnome-icon-theme already, or should I do that?

I'm also going to see if it's possible to get rid of some of the envelope noise in the evolution message list, right now it uses a icon for every single state, and all of them are envelopes. Just makes things look cluttered.
- Andreas

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