From david at wwns.com Wed Dec 1 01:06:28 2004 From: david at wwns.com (David R. Wilson) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:06:28 -0600 Subject: Suggestions? FC3 on x86_a64 Message-ID: <1101863188.3401.38.camel@www1.wwns.com> Hello fellows, If there is a better list for this subject, please let me know. I have a system (good paperweight so far) with an Asrock K8 Combo Z motherboard (Athlon 64 based) and I have not been able to get networking up on the box. From doing some surfing I found it looks like it should work with the SIS900 routines, however I have not had any luck at getting things working. I have also tried a Linksys DFE-530TX+ card with the 8139too drivers with the same problems. lspci and /proc/interrupts attached. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Dave -------------- next part -------------- 00:00.0 Host bridge: ALi Corporation: Unknown device 1689 Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- 00:01.0 PCI bridge: ALi Corporation: Unknown device 5246 (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66Mhz+ UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- Reset- FastB2B- 00:02.0 PCI bridge: ALi Corporation M5249 HTT to PCI Bridge (prog-if 01 [Subtractive decode]) Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- Reset- FastB2B- 00:03.0 ISA bridge: ALi Corporation M1563 HyperTransport South Bridge (rev 70) Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation: Unknown device 1563 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle+ MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- Region 1: I/O ports at Region 2: I/O ports at Region 3: I/O ports at Region 4: I/O ports at ff00 [size=16] 00:0e.1 Unknown mass storage controller: ALi Corporation: Unknown device 5289 (rev 10) (prog-if 8f) Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation: Unknown device 5289 Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66Mhz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-) Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5940 (rev 01) Subsystem: PC Partner Limited: Unknown device 7c27 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66Mhz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- I noticed a number of updates were available for FC3 for several days and were not propagated to the mirrors. Also I saw several error messages from a number of updates, one of them: /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:httpd_squirrelmail_t on line number 603 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:httpd_helper_exec_t on line number 604 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:ldconfig_exec_t on line number 651 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:sendmail_exec_t on line number 685 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:sendmail_exec_t on line number 686 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:mysqld_exec_t on line number 692 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:mysqld_exec_t on line number 693 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:mysqld_var_run_t on line number 694 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:mysqld_log_t on line number 695 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:mysqld_db_t on line number 696 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:mysqld_var_run_t on line number 697 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:mysqld_etc_t on line number 698 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:mysqld_etc_t on line number 699 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:ntpdate_exec_t on line number 741 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:postgresql_exec_t on line number 752 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:postgresql_exec_t on line number 753 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:postgresql_exec_t on line number 754 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:postgresql_exec_t on line number 755 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:postgresql_exec_t on line number 756 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:postgresql_exec_t on line number 759 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:postgresql_exec_t on line number 760 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:postgresql_exec_t on line number 761 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:postgresql_exec_t on line number 762 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:postgresql_exec_t on line number 763 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:postgresql_db_t on line number 765 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:postgresql_db_t on line number 766 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:postgresql_var_run_t on line number 767 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:postgresql_etc_t on line number 768 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:postgresql_log_t on line number 769 /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context system_u:object_r:postgresql_log_t on line number 770 warning: system-config-date-1.7.13-0.fc3.1.noarch.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2 Since the gui update routines might not display this, I figured someone might like to know. This was also one of the updates that the mirrors.kernel.org has not seen yet (at least not that I could find). I am assuming the error messages were for routines that were not installed on this system in the first place. Anyone have a clue bat? From tony at tgds.net Wed Dec 1 07:44:01 2004 From: tony at tgds.net (tony) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 08:44:01 +0100 Subject: desktop printing Message-ID: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> In FC1 I had a printer Icon in the panel. I dragged a document to it and it printed. Where is that now? TIA Tony Grant From wtogami at redhat.com Wed Dec 1 08:28:11 2004 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:28:11 -1000 Subject: GTK clipboard problems Message-ID: <41AD809B.3050508@redhat.com> Since around RH7.3, I remember gtk2 applications would sometimes be unable to copy & paste between each other after long runtimes within a GNOME session. Sometimes it would take a week of using GNOME without relogging for this problem to manifest. Copying from GTK2 to kedit and back to GTK2 would work, but not GTK2 to GTK2. Select and middle-click would also fail. Then *something* else I do on the desktop makes the behavior go away, and clipboard begins working properly again. Today using FC3, I this problem still exists today. Do other people experience this problem? Is anyone aware of an upstream bug tracking this issue that has more substance than my useless description above? Thanks, Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From warren at togami.com Wed Dec 1 08:30:38 2004 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:30:38 -1000 Subject: Thunderbird 0.9 RPM In-Reply-To: <32783.62.251.0.62.1101719489.squirrel@62.251.0.62> References: <32783.62.251.0.62.1101719489.squirrel@62.251.0.62> Message-ID: <41AD812E.1070208@togami.com> Andre Meyer wrote: > Hi all > > Finally, we have Thunderbird as (default) email client in FC3. But it > is version 0.8, while 0.9 has been available for a while. Where can > the RPM for version 0.9 be downloaded. None of the familiar places > has it. Why is this so? Maybe the solution is just too simple for me > to see ;-) > > thanks and kind regards Andre > > My personal experience using the 0.9 RPM has been that it is less stable than the 0.8 that shipped with FC3 with my massive and numerous IMAP boxes. I continue to use it, and wait to see if the 1.0 release is any better. Supposedly 1.0 is coming soon... Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From behdad at cs.toronto.edu Wed Dec 1 09:03:04 2004 From: behdad at cs.toronto.edu (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 04:03:04 -0500 Subject: GTK clipboard problems In-Reply-To: <41AD809B.3050508@redhat.com> References: <41AD809B.3050508@redhat.com> Message-ID: Yes, I can confirm this old very annoying bug. I mainly use gnome-terminal and epiphany, and I'm sure I have seen it in the past month again. On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Warren Togami wrote: > Since around RH7.3, I remember gtk2 applications would sometimes be > unable to copy & paste between each other after long runtimes within a > GNOME session. Sometimes it would take a week of using GNOME without > relogging for this problem to manifest. Copying from GTK2 to kedit and > back to GTK2 would work, but not GTK2 to GTK2. Select and middle-click > would also fail. Then *something* else I do on the desktop makes the > behavior go away, and clipboard begins working properly again. > > Today using FC3, I this problem still exists today. > > Do other people experience this problem? > > Is anyone aware of an upstream bug tracking this issue that has more > substance than my useless description above? > > Thanks, > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com > > --behdad behdad.org From fedora-lists at dark-hill.co.uk Wed Dec 1 14:11:46 2004 From: fedora-lists at dark-hill.co.uk (Douglas Furlong) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:11:46 +0000 Subject: Suggestions? FC3 on x86_a64 In-Reply-To: <1101863188.3401.38.camel@www1.wwns.com> References: <1101863188.3401.38.camel@www1.wwns.com> Message-ID: <20041201141146.jzz4h3yuldtwgs0g@corrig.dark-hill.co.uk> ----- Message from david at wwns.com --------- Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:06:28 -0600 From: "David R. Wilson" Reply-To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop Subject: Suggestions? FC3 on x86_a64 To: fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > Hello fellows, > > If there is a better list for this subject, please let me know. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Dave > > ----- End message from david at wwns.com ----- You may want to have a look at this list. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/amd64-list It is specificly for the amd64 stuff, I don't beleive it is fedora specific though. -- Douglas Furlong ICQ: 7574077 "There are 10 kinds of people, those that understand binary, and those that do not" From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Dec 1 16:25:08 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:25:08 +0100 Subject: GTK clipboard problems In-Reply-To: <41AD809B.3050508@redhat.com> References: <41AD809B.3050508@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1101918307.2675.3.camel@kyrre> ons, 01.12.2004 kl. 09.28 skrev Warren Togami: > Since around RH7.3, I remember gtk2 applications would sometimes be > unable to copy & paste between each other after long runtimes within a > GNOME session. Sometimes it would take a week of using GNOME without > relogging for this problem to manifest. Copying from GTK2 to kedit and > back to GTK2 would work, but not GTK2 to GTK2. Select and middle-click > would also fail. Then *something* else I do on the desktop makes the > behavior go away, and clipboard begins working properly again. > > Today using FC3, I this problem still exists today. > > Do other people experience this problem? > > Is anyone aware of an upstream bug tracking this issue that has more > substance than my useless description above? I heard a friend mention something like this as well - and he also dug out some information that the X clipboard isn't really copy-paste - its select-paste. He discovered it after selecting a bunch of text, hitting control+c, closing the program, and hitting control+v. Turns out, closing the program wasn't such a good idea. From otaylor at redhat.com Wed Dec 1 16:52:02 2004 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:52:02 -0500 Subject: GTK clipboard problems In-Reply-To: <41AD809B.3050508@redhat.com> References: <41AD809B.3050508@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1101919922.5157.85.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 22:28 -1000, Warren Togami wrote: > Since around RH7.3, I remember gtk2 applications would sometimes be > unable to copy & paste between each other after long runtimes within a > GNOME session. Sometimes it would take a week of using GNOME without > relogging for this problem to manifest. Copying from GTK2 to kedit and > back to GTK2 would work, but not GTK2 to GTK2. Select and middle-click > would also fail. Then *something* else I do on the desktop makes the > behavior go away, and clipboard begins working properly again. > > Today using FC3, I this problem still exists today. > > Do other people experience this problem? > > Is anyone aware of an upstream bug tracking this issue that has more > substance than my useless description above? No, there is no upstream bug for this. (And I've never seen it (*)) If you track it down to something we'd have a prayer of debugging (:-) please make sure to clearly distinguish - The clipboard - Middle button paste (primary selection) http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fclipboards_2dspec May be useful. Regards, Owen (*) I have a vague memory of years ago seeing middle button paste stop working for some reason and having to track that down (it wasn't a GTK+ bug). But no hope of remembering what it was at this point. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From walters at redhat.com Wed Dec 1 17:24:16 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:24:16 -0500 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> Message-ID: <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 08:44 +0100, tony wrote: > In FC1 I had a printer Icon in the panel. I dragged a document to it and > it printed. > > Where is that now? It was discussed with the interaction design team here and not considered to be very valuable. The implementation was really ugly too. You should be able to print from the application launched by double- clicking on a file. From tony at tgds.net Wed Dec 1 19:31:17 2004 From: tony at tgds.net (tony) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:31:17 +0100 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> Le mercredi 01 d?cembre 2004 ? 12:24 -0500, Colin Walters a ?crit : > > In FC1 I had a printer Icon in the panel. I dragged a document to it and > > it printed. > It was discussed with the interaction design team here and not > considered to be very valuable. The implementation was really ugly too. > You should be able to print from the application launched by double- > clicking on a file. When I get a file from a client or I need a hardcopy of a PDF file I am very sorry it is very convenient to say to the application (which opens any way) "please print this file". The application opens the file, sends it to the printer then quits. Mac OS X does this. That other OS does it. It is a convenience issue. Convenience has value for me. Seeing how FC3 treats DVB and lirc as well as desktop printing it looks like I'll be doing an upgrade to FC1 with a hand rolled kernel and xorg built from source. Cheers Tony Grant From walters at redhat.com Wed Dec 1 19:42:17 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:42:17 -0500 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> Message-ID: <1101930137.19971.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 20:31 +0100, tony wrote: > When I get a file from a client or I need a hardcopy of a PDF file I am > very sorry it is very convenient to say to the application (which opens > any way) "please print this file". The application opens the file, sends > it to the printer then quits. > > Mac OS X does this. That other OS does it. Can you be more precise? What do you mean "say to the application"? Right-click on the file? Drag and drop the panel? Double-click and open the application for it? Something else? > Seeing how FC3 treats DVB and lirc as well as desktop printing it looks > like I'll be doing an upgrade to FC1 with a hand rolled kernel and xorg > built from source. Um, that seems like a bit of an overreaction. From david at wwns.com Wed Dec 1 20:51:19 2004 From: david at wwns.com (David R. Wilson) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:51:19 -0600 Subject: RPM update error messages and mirrors In-Reply-To: <1101921318.18413.4.camel@nexus.verbum.private> References: <1101883315.3401.72.camel@www1.wwns.com> <1101921318.18413.4.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1101934279.23771.53.camel@theo.wwns.com> No, I did the updates by hand at the command prompt. I was looking at the mirrors for the updates, and they didn't show up on mirrors.kernel.org. Dave On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 11:15, Colin Walters wrote: > On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 00:41 -0600, David R. Wilson wrote: > > I noticed a number of updates were available for FC3 for several days > > and were not propagated to the mirrors. Also I saw several error > > messages from a number of updates, one of them: > > > > /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: invalid context > > system_u:object_r:httpd_squirrelmail_t on line number 603 > > Do you have selinux-policy-targeted-sources installed? > From tony at tgds.net Wed Dec 1 21:23:32 2004 From: tony at tgds.net (tony) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 22:23:32 +0100 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <1101930137.19971.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> <1101930137.19971.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1101936213.14276.51.camel@hush> Le mercredi 01 d?cembre 2004 ? 14:42 -0500, Colin Walters a ?crit : > > When I get a file from a client or I need a hardcopy of a PDF file I am > > very sorry it is very convenient to say to the application (which opens > > any way) "please print this file". The application opens the file, sends > > it to the printer then quits. > > > > Mac OS X does this. That other OS does it. > > Can you be more precise? What do you mean "say to the application"? By dragging the file to the desktop printer icon the application associated with the file type knows I want to print it. Your way is open application with double click on file, open print option in menu... I used Mac OS for many years, drag and drop desktop printing was considered progress when we got it. It is. I confirm. > Right-click on the file? Right click was my first guess but no, no print option in Gnome. > Drag and drop the panel? In FC1 there was a printer icon in the panel. Choose PDF file, drag to Icon and it printed. Not in FC3... > Double-click and > open the application for it? Sucks. > Something else? Right click in Evolution would be really nice. But that is not FC3. > > Seeing how FC3 treats DVB and lirc as well as desktop printing it looks > > like I'll be doing an upgrade to FC1 with a hand rolled kernel and xorg > > built from source. > > Um, that seems like a bit of an overreaction. No, I watch satellite TV (the BBC) using VDR and the VDR-xine plugin. FC1 = no problems. Install VDR, get xine source and patch with VDR-xine, make xine, make vdr. Install lirc, configure remote. Start VDR and xine, teach xine remote commands, watch TV. From day one after buying the DVB- S card to first evening of TV = 1 week. FC3, third week? forgotten... No remote yet. No udev script found so far works with DVB. I have to manually create devices. It took me one week to be able to watch TV again. lirc is not working. At all. A PVR without remote is about as good as a... (almost got carried away...). I can't record shows to disk. Dear Colin, tell me more about progress! We are all working together towards a better desktop OS n'est pas? By going back to FC1 with a better X server and hardware support that works I can get on with what is most important: my life. Shame, because what actually does still work in FC3 is faster, smoother, better looking. Cheers Tony Grant From angrykeyboarder at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 21:26:10 2004 From: angrykeyboarder at gmail.com (Scott) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:26:10 -0700 Subject: Thunderbird 0.9 RPM In-Reply-To: <41ABD679.9000504@iinet.net.au> References: <32783.62.251.0.62.1101719489.squirrel@62.251.0.62> <20041129151253.GD8992@jadzia.bu.edu> <41AB3F44.4000703@virgilio.it> <41ABC987.4090607@gmail.com> <41ABD679.9000504@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <41AE36F2.4040901@gmail.com> djh wrote: > Scott wrote: > >> RHN as in "up2date"? >> >> If so that's intresting, because if that werre true, I'd be able to >> find a link to it here... >> >> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/i386/ >> >> or here... >> >> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/3/i386/ >> > > > You can get it from rawhide. > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/i386/Fedora/RPMS/ > > > David. > Humm. Why would it not be in updates? Scott From edilista at fes.br Wed Dec 1 21:54:26 2004 From: edilista at fes.br (Edilmar Alves - Lista) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:54:26 -0300 Subject: Is it possible to start only one app in GUI GNOME or KDE or other? Message-ID: <41AE3D92.9000605@fes.br> Hi, I have a Fedora Core 2 Linux + VNC Server (running into xinetd). Then, the users may connect remotely to this server and run an app that I put into desktop (shortcut). But the users have access to other apps like OpenOffice and Mozilla, and I want: 1) the user may logon and the app starts automatically. Where do I do this? 2) none taskbar, console, etc, the app must start using full-screen, with no way to change to other apps like Alt+Tab shortcut. Is it possible? 3) the GUI must be light, I'd like to use some GUI with lower resources than GNOME and KDE. What's the better for this case? 4) the users may be in slow links, I think to use in the future softwares like FreeNX, and the GUI must be really with low graphical complexities... Thanks for any suggestions... From wtriest at chemistry.ohio-state.edu Wed Dec 1 22:07:04 2004 From: wtriest at chemistry.ohio-state.edu (Bill (William) Triest) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:07:04 -0500 Subject: Is it possible to start only one app in GUI GNOME or KDE or other? In-Reply-To: <41AE3D92.9000605@fes.br> References: <41AE3D92.9000605@fes.br> Message-ID: <1101938824.12116.29.camel@hassium.chemistry.ohio-state.edu> On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 16:54, Edilmar Alves - Lista wrote: > I have a Fedora Core 2 Linux + VNC Server (running into xinetd). > Then, the users may connect remotely to this server and run an app > that I put into desktop (shortcut). But the users have access to other > apps like OpenOffice and Mozilla, and I want: > > 1) the user may logon and the app starts automatically. Where do I do this? > 2) none taskbar, console, etc, the app must start using full-screen, > with no way to change to other apps like Alt+Tab shortcut. Is it possible? > 3) the GUI must be light, I'd like to use some GUI with lower resources > than GNOME and KDE. What's the better for this case? > 4) the users may be in slow links, I think to use in the future > softwares like FreeNX, and the GUI must be really with low graphical > complexities... > > Thanks for any suggestions... Have you looked into running just the app, with no Desktop Environment. (To test locally, try editing ~.xinitrc and then commenting out what's there and just putting something like emacs). They could still start other application from a command line and have them display, but it would make it more difficult and non-obvious. If this is what you want I can help you figure out how to do this for vnc (I've done something simular, but I would have to play to get everything correct in my message). Thanks, Bill From edilista at fes.br Wed Dec 1 23:36:22 2004 From: edilista at fes.br (Edilmar Alves - Lista) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:36:22 -0300 Subject: Is it possible to start only one app in GUI GNOME or KDE or other? In-Reply-To: <1101938824.12116.29.camel@hassium.chemistry.ohio-state.edu> References: <41AE3D92.9000605@fes.br> <1101938824.12116.29.camel@hassium.chemistry.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <41AE5576.1000008@fes.br> Bill (William) Triest escreveu: > On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 16:54, Edilmar Alves - Lista wrote: > >>I have a Fedora Core 2 Linux + VNC Server (running into xinetd). >>Then, the users may connect remotely to this server and run an app >>that I put into desktop (shortcut). But the users have access to other >>apps like OpenOffice and Mozilla, and I want: >> >>1) the user may logon and the app starts automatically. Where do I do this? >>2) none taskbar, console, etc, the app must start using full-screen, >>with no way to change to other apps like Alt+Tab shortcut. Is it possible? >>3) the GUI must be light, I'd like to use some GUI with lower resources >>than GNOME and KDE. What's the better for this case? >>4) the users may be in slow links, I think to use in the future >>softwares like FreeNX, and the GUI must be really with low graphical >>complexities... >> >>Thanks for any suggestions... > > > Have you looked into running just the app, with no Desktop Environment. > (To test locally, try editing ~.xinitrc and then commenting out what's > there and just putting something like emacs). They could still start > other application from a command line and have them display, but it > would make it more difficult and non-obvious. > > If this is what you want I can help you figure out how to do this for > vnc (I've done something simular, but I would have to play to get > everything correct in my message). > > Thanks, > Bill > Hi Bill, If possible, I'd like to start only one app full-screen, and no way for the user to start others. Thing some kind of application like "bank terminals", where the user has no chance to do something different from access the bank application... From suthron at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 2 09:54:16 2004 From: suthron at ntlworld.com (suthron) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:54:16 -0000 Subject: Fw: Info on Fedora 3 Message-ID: <002601c4d854$e43de2d0$49f50852@80g> ----- Original Message ----- From: suthron To: fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 4:58 PM Subject: Info on Fedora 3 I dont know if this is the right place to be to answer my problem Basicly I am looking for some info on Fedora 3s capability with adsl via a Thomson Speedtouch 330 USB modem. First some background, I was sick to death of Microsoft continually telling me there was a problem and had to shut down my internet connection, I made some tentative enquiries about Linux and eventually purchaced SUSE 9.1. This worked well on my dial up access and after a three month "Try Before Commiting" period, I took the big jump and transfered my working files to Linux (THANK GOD I KEPT COPPIES AND BACKUPS FOR WINDOWS), the next part is not the fault of SUSE, my major customer (I am self employed, working from home), gave me an ultimatum, GET BROADBAND or A NEW JOB, I got broadband. Suse refuses to work with my modem. Been all over the web and SUSE help places, big joke. "One SUSE expert" told me that Yast Online Update would solve my problem !? another pointed me to the Novel "Pay a lot of money for help web site. It cost me around ?600 and a lot of time to have my files reinstated to Windows and since the XP SP2 has arrived I have had very few problems. I still hate Bill Gates and his money grabbing cronies but is there any point in continuing with Linux. Please dont use the easy answer of "Get another modem" as that simply defeats the purpose of using an alternative operating system. Living in hope but not expectation John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Dec 2 13:23:47 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:23:47 +0100 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <1101936213.14276.51.camel@hush> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> <1101930137.19971.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101936213.14276.51.camel@hush> Message-ID: <1101993828.21680.14.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 22:23 +0100, tony wrote: > Le mercredi 01 d?cembre 2004 ? 14:42 -0500, Colin Walters a ?crit : > > > > When I get a file from a client or I need a hardcopy of a PDF file I am > > > very sorry it is very convenient to say to the application (which opens > > > any way) "please print this file". The application opens the file, sends > > > it to the printer then quits. > > > > > > Mac OS X does this. That other OS does it. > > > > Can you be more precise? What do you mean "say to the application"? > > By dragging the file to the desktop printer icon the application > associated with the file type knows I want to print it. Your way is open > application with double click on file, open print option in menu... I > used Mac OS for many years, drag and drop desktop printing was > considered progress when we got it. It is. I confirm. > > > Right-click on the file? > > Right click was my first guess but no, no print option in Gnome. > > > Drag and drop the panel? > > In FC1 there was a printer icon in the panel. Choose PDF file, drag to > Icon and it printed. Not in FC3... > > > Double-click and > > open the application for it? > > Sucks. > > > Something else? > > Right click in Evolution would be really nice. But that is not FC3. > > > > Seeing how FC3 treats DVB and lirc as well as desktop printing it looks > > > like I'll be doing an upgrade to FC1 with a hand rolled kernel and xorg > > > built from source. > > > > Um, that seems like a bit of an overreaction. > > No, I watch satellite TV (the BBC) using VDR and the VDR-xine plugin. It's a bit inconvenient that VDR stuff isn't quite on the agenda of Fedora Core... This means it worked better on FC1 probably because the 2.4 kernel wasn't as new as 2.6 is now. Quite a number of drivers still have to be ported over to 2.6 and I think this may be the case with you. > FC1 = no problems. Install VDR, get xine source and patch with VDR-xine, > make xine, make vdr. Install lirc, configure remote. Start VDR and xine, > teach xine remote commands, watch TV. From day one after buying the DVB- > S card to first evening of TV = 1 week. > > FC3, third week? forgotten... No remote yet. Hmm, I haven't tried my self-made serial LIRC receiver yet on FC3, but I'll give it a try. > No udev script found so far works with DVB. I have to manually create > devices. It took me one week to be able to watch TV again. That's what I meant with "have to be ported over to 2.6" -- these drivers at least need to implement sysfs support in order to be conforming to "how things are done on 2.6". When they announce their properties through /sys it should be half the rent needed for proper integration with hal and udev. David, Harald, smack me if I talk rubbish here ;-). > lirc is not working. At all. A PVR without remote is about as good as > a... (almost got carried away...). I can't record shows to disk. What LIRC device do you have? I think it should be possible to use the programs without a remote control, with keyboard and/or mouse, otherwise it's a bug in the respective application IMO ;-). I couldn't test DVB yet (no digital LNC until after we have moved), but this will affect me in the future so I'm interested in the whole topic. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From tony at tgds.net Thu Dec 2 13:42:10 2004 From: tony at tgds.net (tony) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:42:10 +0100 Subject: DVB [was: desktop printing] In-Reply-To: <1101993828.21680.14.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> <1101930137.19971.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101936213.14276.51.camel@hush> <1101993828.21680.14.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <1101994930.14276.123.camel@hush> Le jeudi 02 d?cembre 2004 ? 14:23 +0100, Nils Philippsen a ?crit : > It's a bit inconvenient that VDR stuff isn't quite on the agenda of > Fedora Core... This means it worked better on FC1 probably because the > 2.4 kernel wasn't as new as 2.6 is now. Quite a number of drivers still > have to be ported over to 2.6 and I think this may be the case with you. I ran a hand rolled 2.6 kernel on FC1. I used the DVB drivers in the kernel.org kernel. My card is supported (skystar2) > Hmm, I haven't tried my self-made serial LIRC receiver yet on FC3, but > I'll give it a try. We probably have the same. Built from howto on lirc site. > > No udev script found so far works with DVB. I have to manually create > > devices. It took me one week to be able to watch TV again. > > That's what I meant with "have to be ported over to 2.6" -- these > drivers at least need to implement sysfs support in order to be > conforming to "how things are done on 2.6". When they announce > their properties through /sys it should be half the rent needed for > proper integration with hal and udev. David, Harald, smack me if I talk > rubbish here ;-). The 2.6 kernel DCB drivers gave me entire satisfaction. From memory I was running a hand rolled 2.6.9. No problems. > > lirc is not working. At all. A PVR without remote is about as good as > > a... (almost got carried away...). I can't record shows to disk. > > What LIRC device do you have? I think it should be possible to use the > programs without a remote control, with keyboard and/or mouse, otherwise > it's a bug in the respective application IMO ;-). I couldn't test DVB > yet (no digital LNC until after we have moved), but this will affect me > in the future so I'm interested in the whole topic. lirc_serial kernel is patched with 0.7.0 lirc source/ I have /dev/lirc0 and run lircd with the -d option. I am using the keyboard to watch TV. This sure stops me from zapping between channels from the living room couch... Someone spoke of /etc/lirc/hardware.conf. I googled around and it seems to be a debian thing. In any case there is no mention in the lirc docs I have read. As with the other problems I have with udev have been permission things. I am scratching through the tree checking and checking... Thanks for your encouragement Tony Grant From kyrre at solution-forge.net Thu Dec 2 14:13:58 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:13:58 +0100 Subject: DVB [was: desktop printing] In-Reply-To: <1101994930.14276.123.camel@hush> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> <1101930137.19971.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101936213.14276.51.camel@hush> <1101993828.21680.14.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1101994930.14276.123.camel@hush> Message-ID: <1101996838.2686.3.camel@kyrre> > > > lirc is not working. At all. A PVR without remote is about as good as > > > a... (almost got carried away...). I can't record shows to disk. > > > > What LIRC device do you have? I think it should be possible to use the > > programs without a remote control, with keyboard and/or mouse, otherwise > > it's a bug in the respective application IMO ;-). I couldn't test DVB > > yet (no digital LNC until after we have moved), but this will affect me > > in the future so I'm interested in the whole topic. > > lirc_serial > > kernel is patched with 0.7.0 lirc source/ I have /dev/lirc0 and run > lircd with the -d option. > > I am using the keyboard to watch TV. This sure stops me from zapping > between channels from the living room couch... > > Someone spoke of /etc/lirc/hardware.conf. I googled around and it seems > to be a debian thing. In any case there is no mention in the lirc docs I > have read. > > As with the other problems I have with udev have been permission things. > I am scratching through the tree checking and checking... > > Thanks for your encouragement > Hmm... a wireless keyboard should be able to fix that :) BTW. is it possible to "turn off" udev? 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URL: From steve at rueb.com Thu Dec 2 15:30:37 2004 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 09:30:37 -0600 Subject: vsftpd In-Reply-To: <004601c4d881$86f0df10$060e4154@admin> References: <004601c4d881$86f0df10$060e4154@admin> Message-ID: <1102001438.22867.2.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 15:13 +0000, Ahmed wrote: > Hi Listers! > > Has anyone installed VSFTPD on fedora or Redhat 9! If yes how can I > create a user with their password. Remember I need the instruction > from the comman line not from the graphical user interface! > Thanks in advance as always! # adduser "username" # passwd "username" -Steve Bergman From walters at redhat.com Thu Dec 2 17:21:10 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:21:10 -0500 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <1101936213.14276.51.camel@hush> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> <1101930137.19971.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101936213.14276.51.camel@hush> Message-ID: <1102008071.4024.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 22:23 +0100, tony wrote: > By dragging the file to the desktop printer icon the application > associated with the file type knows I want to print it. Your way is open > application with double click on file, open print option in menu... I > used Mac OS for many years, drag and drop desktop printing was > considered progress when we got it. It is. I confirm. Ok, can you file a bug against desktop-printing? I'll investigate this for FC4. I think though what we want is to move this to upstream GNOME if it's a desirable feature and have it be part of the default panel. From tony at tgds.net Thu Dec 2 17:32:10 2004 From: tony at tgds.net (tony) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:32:10 +0100 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <1102008071.4024.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> <1101930137.19971.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101936213.14276.51.camel@hush> <1102008071.4024.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1102008730.14276.160.camel@hush> Le jeudi 02 d?cembre 2004 ? 12:21 -0500, Colin Walters a ?crit : > Ok, can you file a bug against desktop-printing? I'll investigate this > for FC4. I think though what we want is to move this to upstream GNOME > if it's a desirable feature and have it be part of the default panel. If it is a Gnome thing fine! I'll go bug the Gnome folk. Your call. There seemed to be a bit of KDE in the old version from FC1 if my eyes didn't deceive me? Tony From aalas at btopenworld.com Thu Dec 2 17:33:49 2004 From: aalas at btopenworld.com (Ahmed) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:33:49 -0000 Subject: vsftpd References: <004601c4d881$86f0df10$060e4154@admin> <1102001438.22867.2.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <002501c4d895$15c5ae60$060e4154@admin> Hi Steve Thanks for the reply! Do I have to be running vsftpd to add a user or create it? or in the normal terminal that I have to type adduser and passwd? Thanks----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Bergman" To: "Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop" Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: Re: vsftpd > On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 15:13 +0000, Ahmed wrote: > > Hi Listers! > > > > Has anyone installed VSFTPD on fedora or Redhat 9! If yes how can I > > create a user with their password. Remember I need the instruction > > from the comman line not from the graphical user interface! > > Thanks in advance as always! > > # adduser "username" > # passwd "username" > > -Steve Bergman > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > From dalive at flashmail.com Thu Dec 2 13:55:01 2004 From: dalive at flashmail.com (Arturo) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:55:01 +0000 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <1102008730.14276.160.camel@hush> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> <1101930137.19971.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101936213.14276.51.camel@hush> <1102008071.4024.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1102008730.14276.160.camel@hush> Message-ID: <41AF1EB5.6060500@flashmail.com> tony wrote: >Le jeudi 02 d?cembre 2004 ? 12:21 -0500, Colin Walters a ?crit : > > > >>Ok, can you file a bug against desktop-printing? I'll investigate this >>for FC4. I think though what we want is to move this to upstream GNOME >>if it's a desirable feature and have it be part of the default panel. >> >> > >If it is a Gnome thing fine! I'll go bug the Gnome folk. Your call. >There seemed to be a bit of KDE in the old version from FC1 if my eyes >didn't deceive me? > > Sorry for the offtopic question. I like Fedora, and I plan to stick to it, but why does it so often feel that the Fedora devs just simply forget KDE? I too miss the easy printing functionality allowed in Windows, but I'm a KDE person...would there be any of such a printing addtion to KDE on Fedora? Or is this whole issue a desktop manager issue and not a distro issue. And just incase you were wondering about my KDE / Fedora comment, I'd like to point attention to another such example: switching from GDM to KDM, I basically had to hack (using the term loosely) /etc/X11/prefdm script to get it to work. Peace >Tony > > > From rdieter at math.unl.edu Thu Dec 2 18:04:48 2004 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:04:48 -0600 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <41AF1EB5.6060500@flashmail.com> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> <1101930137.19971.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101936213.14276.51.camel@hush> <1102008071.4024.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1102008730.14276.160.camel@hush> <41AF1EB5.6060500@flashmail.com> Message-ID: <41AF5940.5000007@math.unl.edu> Arturo wrote: > switching from GDM to > KDM, I basically had to hack (using the term loosely) /etc/X11/prefdm > script to get it to work. adding DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" to /etc/sysconfig/desktop is a little easier. -- Rex From sjansen at gurulabs.com Thu Dec 2 18:26:09 2004 From: sjansen at gurulabs.com (Stuart Jansen) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:26:09 -0700 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <41AF1EB5.6060500@flashmail.com> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> <1101930137.19971.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101936213.14276.51.camel@hush> <1102008071.4024.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1102008730.14276.160.camel@hush> <41AF1EB5.6060500@flashmail.com> Message-ID: <1102011969.4023.52.camel@vision> On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 13:55 +0000, Arturo wrote: > Sorry for the offtopic question. I like Fedora, and I plan to stick to > it, but why does it so often feel that the Fedora devs just simply > forget KDE? What follows is purely opinion formed while observing the development of Linux for many years. It does not necessarily represent the opinion of my employer, RH, SUSE, Linus Torvalds, Lee Iacocca, Vladmir Putin, or any other person, organization, or entity, living, non-living, or yet-to-live, besides myself. My guess would be that it's one part strategic, one part historical. First, the history: RH has generally striven to ship only unencumbered software. When it ships anything else, it's usually because an alternative doesn't exist. If you go back many years, Qt used to be partially encumbered, thereby making KDE less than Free (per. FSF definition). The issue was resolved, but not before Gnome had gained momentum. Now we get to the strategic part. It takes time and money to maintain a polished desktop. RH has invested more into Gnome. SUSE has invested more in KDE. RH has taken alot of abuse over KDE, but in my opinion SUSE has historically done even worse with Gnome. (Hopefully this will change as Novell continues to integrate Novell, Ximian, and SUSE to form a single company.) Both RH and SUSE are commercial entities, they have to prioritise and allocate resources. Gentoo and Debian, both of which are mostly volunteer based, have done a decent job of packaging both desktops, only occasionally demonstrating a partial preference for one or the other. And that's the root of the problem. Companies are best off picking one general direction and sticking to it, volunteers can afford to explore the whole map. Now we come to where you fit in. Because RH is welcoming volunteer support in the development of Fedora, you can help improve the quality of KDE support in Fedora. The more you do by testing, reporting bugs, and submitting patches, the more momentum KDE will have within the Fedora project. Until then, don't be surprised if Gnome enjoys a favored status simply because more people developing and testing Fedora are using it. Some people get upset or make accusations, but resist the temptation. Just keep providing gentle reminders like you did in your message. -- Stuart Jansen Guru Labs, L.C. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From steve at rueb.com Thu Dec 2 19:28:31 2004 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:28:31 -0600 Subject: vsftpd In-Reply-To: <002501c4d895$15c5ae60$060e4154@admin> References: <004601c4d881$86f0df10$060e4154@admin> <1102001438.22867.2.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <002501c4d895$15c5ae60$060e4154@admin> Message-ID: <1102015711.22867.8.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 17:33 +0000, Ahmed wrote: > Hi Steve > Thanks for the reply! > Do I have to be running vsftpd to add a user or create it? No. vsftp uses the native OS usernames and passwords. You do need to be root. If you have a choice, you might be better off using openssh's built in "sftp" for better security on the wire. Unfortunately, most windows boxes don't have an sftp client installed. BTW, this probably is not the best list for this discussion. You might get better responses to this kind of question on the fedora-list. -Steve From dalive at flashmail.com Thu Dec 2 16:07:42 2004 From: dalive at flashmail.com (Arturo) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:07:42 +0000 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <1102011969.4023.52.camel@vision> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> <1101930137.19971.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101936213.14276.51.camel@hush> <1102008071.4024.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1102008730.14276.160.camel@hush> <41AF1EB5.6060500@flashmail.com> <1102011969.4023.52.camel@vision> Message-ID: <41AF3DCE.2060501@flashmail.com> Stuart Jansen wrote: >On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 13:55 +0000, Arturo wrote: > > >>Sorry for the offtopic question. I like Fedora, and I plan to stick to >>it, but why does it so often feel that the Fedora devs just simply >>forget KDE? >> >> > >What follows is purely opinion formed while observing the development of >Linux for many years. It does not necessarily represent the opinion of >my employer, RH, SUSE, Linus Torvalds, Lee Iacocca, Vladmir Putin, or >any other person, organization, or entity, living, non-living, or >yet-to-live, besides myself. > >My guess would be that it's one part strategic, one part historical. >First, the history: RH has generally striven to ship only unencumbered >software. When it ships anything else, it's usually because an >alternative doesn't exist. If you go back many years, Qt used to be >partially encumbered, thereby making KDE less than Free (per. FSF >definition). The issue was resolved, but not before Gnome had gained >momentum. Now we get to the strategic part. It takes time and money to >maintain a polished desktop. RH has invested more into Gnome. SUSE has >invested more in KDE. RH has taken alot of abuse over KDE, but in my >opinion SUSE has historically done even worse with Gnome. (Hopefully >this will change as Novell continues to integrate Novell, Ximian, and >SUSE to form a single company.) Both RH and SUSE are commercial >entities, they have to prioritise and allocate resources. Gentoo and >Debian, both of which are mostly volunteer based, have done a decent job >of packaging both desktops, only occasionally demonstrating a partial >preference for one or the other. And that's the root of the problem. >Companies are best off picking one general direction and sticking to it, >volunteers can afford to explore the whole map. > >Now we come to where you fit in. Because RH is welcoming volunteer >support in the development of Fedora, you can help improve the quality >of KDE support in Fedora. The more you do by testing, reporting bugs, >and submitting patches, the more momentum KDE will have within the >Fedora project. > >Until then, don't be surprised if Gnome enjoys a favored status simply >because more people developing and testing Fedora are using it. Some >people get upset or make accusations, but resist the temptation. Just >keep providing gentle reminders like you did in your message. > > > Well thanks for that. Honestly, I just wanted to know. This is not going to make me change to SUSE ( :) not yet at least ) or anything. If some information like this was posted on the http://fedora.redhat.com website that would make things alot clearer. Thank you. Peace From dalive at flashmail.com Thu Dec 2 16:13:08 2004 From: dalive at flashmail.com (Arturo) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:13:08 +0000 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <41AF5940.5000007@math.unl.edu> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> <1101930137.19971.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101936213.14276.51.camel@hush> <1102008071.4024.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1102008730.14276.160.camel@hush> <41AF1EB5.6060500@flashmail.com> <41AF5940.5000007@math.unl.edu> Message-ID: <41AF3F14.80709@flashmail.com> Rex Dieter wrote: > Arturo wrote: > >> switching from GDM to KDM, I basically had to hack (using the term >> loosely) /etc/X11/prefdm script to get it to work. > > > adding > DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" > to > /etc/sysconfig/desktop > is a little easier. > > -- Rex > I'm not sure if you've actually tried this, but it doesn't work. And reviewing the prefdm , I can't seehow it's suppose to work at all. And I'm not the only who this did not work for. Obviously I may easily be an isolated information. Here's a link to a thread I had started on the issue: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=201201&highlight=prefdm Peace From rdieter at math.unl.edu Thu Dec 2 20:30:32 2004 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:30:32 -0600 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <41AF3F14.80709@flashmail.com> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> <1101930137.19971.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101936213.14276.51.camel@hush> <1102008071.4024.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1102008730.14276.160.camel@hush> <41AF1EB5.6060500@flashmail.com> <41AF5940.5000007@math.unl.edu> <41AF3F14.80709@flashmail.com> Message-ID: <41AF7B68.10208@math.unl.edu> Arturo wrote: > Rex Dieter wrote: >> Arturo wrote: >>> switching from GDM to KDM, I basically had to hack (using the term >>> loosely) /etc/X11/prefdm script to get it to work. >> adding >> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" >> to >> /etc/sysconfig/desktop >> is a little easier. > I'm not sure if you've actually tried this, but it doesn't work. Yes, it WORKSFORME. > And reviewing the prefdm , I can't seehow it's suppose to work at all. My take on /usr/X11/prefdm is that it's pretty straightforward: ... # Run preferred X display manager preferred= if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then . /etc/sysconfig/desktop if [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = GNOME ]; then preferred=gdm elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = KDE ]; then preferred=kdm elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = XDM ]; then preferred=xdm fi fi ... [ -n "$preferred" ] && exec $preferred $* >/dev/null 2>&1 > Obviously I may easily be an > isolated information. Here's a link to a thread I had started on the > issue: > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=201201&highlight=prefdm Post #7 had what you probably missed: ---------------- I've found that after changing /etc/sysconfig/desktop, if I do a [ctrl-alt-bksp] it won't change, but if I change the runlevel to 3 and then bacck to 5 (as in "init 3;init 5") it works perfectly. ------------------- Though, I'd recommend: /sbin/telinit 3; /sbin/telinit 5 instead. Of course, rebooting works too. -- Rex From rdieter at math.unl.edu Thu Dec 2 20:34:48 2004 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:34:48 -0600 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <41AF7B68.10208@math.unl.edu> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> <1101930137.19971.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101936213.14276.51.camel@hush> <1102008071.4024.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1102008730.14276.160.camel@hush> <41AF1EB5.6060500@flashmail.com> <41AF5940.5000007@math.unl.edu> <41AF3F14.80709@flashmail.com> <41AF7B68.10208@math.unl.edu> Message-ID: <41AF7C68.6020700@math.unl.edu> Arturo wrote: > switching from GDM to KDM, I basically had to hack (using the term > loosely) /etc/X11/prefdm script to get it to work. Or my personal favorite: rpm -e gdm -- Rex From snickell at redhat.com Thu Dec 2 20:54:17 2004 From: snickell at redhat.com (Seth Nickell) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:54:17 -0500 Subject: Fw: Info on Fedora 3 In-Reply-To: <002601c4d854$e43de2d0$49f50852@80g> References: <002601c4d854$e43de2d0$49f50852@80g> Message-ID: <1102020857.8241.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi John, You might take a look at: http://speedtouchconf.sourceforge.net/ It looks like they have an automated script that's reported to make the speedtouch work on a number of different distributions (including Fedora). -Seth On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 09:54 +0000, suthron wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: suthron > To: fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 4:58 PM > Subject: Info on Fedora 3 > > > I dont know if this is the right place to be to answer my problem > Basicly I am looking for some info on Fedora 3s capability with adsl > via a Thomson Speedtouch 330 USB modem. > First some background, I was sick to death of Microsoft continually > telling me there was a problem and had to shut down my internet > connection, I made some tentative enquiries about Linux and eventually > purchaced SUSE 9.1. This worked well on my dial up access and after a > three month "Try Before Commiting" period, I took the big jump and > transfered my working files to Linux (THANK GOD I KEPT COPPIES AND > BACKUPS FOR WINDOWS), the next part is not the fault of SUSE, my major > customer (I am self employed, working from home), gave me an > ultimatum, GET BROADBAND or A NEW JOB, I got broadband. Suse refuses > to work with my modem. Been all over the web and SUSE help places, big > joke. "One SUSE expert" told me that Yast Online Update would solve my > problem !? another pointed me to the Novel "Pay a lot of money for > help web site. It cost me around ?600 and a lot of time to have my > files reinstated to Windows and since the XP SP2 has arrived I have > had very few problems. I still hate Bill Gates and his money grabbing > cronies but is there any point in continuing with Linux. Please dont > use the easy answer of "Get another modem" as that simply defeats the > purpose of using an alternative operating system. > > Living in hope but not expectation > > John > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list From pijucliu at hawaiilinux.us Thu Dec 2 21:06:50 2004 From: pijucliu at hawaiilinux.us (Jamie Larsen) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:06:50 -1000 Subject: FC3 with Generic 2.6.9 Kernel (Win4Lin Question) Message-ID: <41AF83EA.8010008@hawaiilinux.us> Has anyone had any experience with the generic 2.6.9 kernel? Netraverse no longer provides pre-compiled kernel after FC2. The only way to run Win4Lin is to get a generic kernel, then apply Netraverse patch. From jeffy5 at optonline.net Thu Dec 2 22:43:56 2004 From: jeffy5 at optonline.net (Jeffrey D. Yuille) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:43:56 -0500 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <41AF3F14.80709@flashmail.com> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <41AF5940.5000007@math.unl.edu> <41AF3F14.80709@flashmail.com> Message-ID: <200412021743.56694.jeffy5@optonline.net> On Thursday 02 December 2004 11:13 am, Arturo wrote: > Rex Dieter wrote: > > Arturo wrote: > >> switching from GDM to KDM, I basically had to hack (using the term > >> loosely) /etc/X11/prefdm script to get it to work. > > > > adding > > DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" > > to > > /etc/sysconfig/desktop > > is a little easier. > > > > -- Rex > > I'm not sure if you've actually tried this, but it doesn't work. And > reviewing the prefdm , I can't seehow it's suppose to work at all. And > I'm not the only who this did not work for. Obviously I may easily be an > isolated information. Here's a link to a thread I had started on the > issue: > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=201201&h >ighlight=prefdm > highlight=prefdm> > > Peace Hello, In fact, if you are trying to obtain the KDE desktop upon bootup instead of getting the Bluecurve desktop by default, all you need to do is go to /etc/sysconfig/desktop and where it says "Gnome" , change it to "KDE". You need root priviledges, though. Jeff From dalive at flashmail.com Thu Dec 2 19:34:51 2004 From: dalive at flashmail.com (Arturo) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 19:34:51 +0000 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <200412021743.56694.jeffy5@optonline.net> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <41AF5940.5000007@math.unl.edu> <41AF3F14.80709@flashmail.com> <200412021743.56694.jeffy5@optonline.net> Message-ID: <41AF6E5B.2@flashmail.com> Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote: >On Thursday 02 December 2004 11:13 am, Arturo wrote: > > >>Rex Dieter wrote: >> >> >>>Arturo wrote: >>> >>> >>>> switching from GDM to KDM, I basically had to hack (using the term >>>>loosely) /etc/X11/prefdm script to get it to work. >>>> >>>> >>>adding >>>DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" >>>to >>>/etc/sysconfig/desktop >>>is a little easier. >>> >>>-- Rex >>> >>> >>I'm not sure if you've actually tried this, but it doesn't work. And >>reviewing the prefdm , I can't seehow it's suppose to work at all. And >>I'm not the only who this did not work for. Obviously I may easily be an >>isolated information. Here's a link to a thread I had started on the >>issue: >>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=201201&h >>ighlight=prefdm >>>highlight=prefdm> >> >>Peace >> >> >Hello, > > In fact, if you are trying to obtain the KDE desktop upon bootup instead >of getting the Bluecurve desktop by default, all you need to do is go >to /etc/sysconfig/desktop and where it says "Gnome" , change it to "KDE". >You need root priviledges, though. > >Jeff > > > Honestly I wasn't tring to make this into an issue, cause I got it to work with a little help from LQ.org.....but Ithe point I was tring to brign forward is, maybe Fedora could pay a little more attention to KDE users. I could be wrong here becuase this happened since the beginning of FC2, but I did everything the tutorial I was flowing stated, to no avail. A little radiobutton in Anaconda to select primary desktop would be much apperiated. Peace From edilista at fes.br Fri Dec 3 00:04:18 2004 From: edilista at fes.br (Edilmar Alves - Lista) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 21:04:18 -0300 Subject: Start automatic app after login Message-ID: <41AFAD82.7030304@fes.br> Hi, I have Fedora Core 2 with GDM default login. I didn't find what file I need to create/alter/configure to start a application after login. I know apps like Nautillus or Terminal that I don't close when logging out are automatically open after login. But, if I have other executable program or a script that I have to start, I don't know how to configure. Thanks, From bclark at redhat.com Fri Dec 3 00:10:09 2004 From: bclark at redhat.com (Bryan Clark) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 19:10:09 -0500 Subject: Start automatic app after login In-Reply-To: <41AFAD82.7030304@fes.br> References: <41AFAD82.7030304@fes.br> Message-ID: <1102032609.3250.43.camel@rhbw.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 21:04 -0300, Edilmar Alves - Lista wrote: > I have Fedora Core 2 with GDM default login. > I didn't find what file I need to create/alter/configure to start a > application after login. I know apps like Nautillus or Terminal that I > don't close when logging out are automatically open after login. But, if > I have other executable program or a script that I have to start, I > don't know how to configure. Open 'Applications -> Preferences -> More Preferences' or gnome- session-properties from the command line and use the 'Startup Programs' tab. Cheers, ~ Bryan From jeffy5 at optonline.net Fri Dec 3 03:55:38 2004 From: jeffy5 at optonline.net (Jeffrey D. Yuille) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 22:55:38 -0500 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <41AF6E5B.2@flashmail.com> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <200412021743.56694.jeffy5@optonline.net> <41AF6E5B.2@flashmail.com> Message-ID: <200412022255.38777.jeffy5@optonline.net> On Thursday 02 December 2004 02:34 pm, Arturo wrote: > Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote: > >On Thursday 02 December 2004 11:13 am, Arturo wrote: > >>Rex Dieter wrote: > >>>Arturo wrote: > >>>> switching from GDM to KDM, I basically had to hack (using the term > >>>>loosely) /etc/X11/prefdm script to get it to work. > >>> > >>>adding > >>>DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" > >>>to > >>>/etc/sysconfig/desktop > >>>is a little easier. > >>> > >>>-- Rex > >> > >>I'm not sure if you've actually tried this, but it doesn't work. And > >>reviewing the prefdm , I can't seehow it's suppose to work at all. And > >>I'm not the only who this did not work for. Obviously I may easily be an > >>isolated information. Here's a link to a thread I had started on the > >>issue: > >>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=201201 > >>&h ighlight=prefdm > >> >>1& highlight=prefdm> > >> > >>Peace > > > >Hello, > > > > In fact, if you are trying to obtain the KDE desktop upon bootup > > instead of getting the Bluecurve desktop by default, all you need to do > > is go to /etc/sysconfig/desktop and where it says "Gnome" , change it to > > "KDE". You need root priviledges, though. > > > >Jeff > > Honestly I wasn't tring to make this into an issue, cause I got it to > work with a little help from LQ.org.....but Ithe point I was tring to > brign forward is, maybe Fedora could pay a little more attention to KDE > users. I could be wrong here becuase this happened since the beginning > of FC2, but I did everything the tutorial I was flowing stated, to no > avail. A little radiobutton in Anaconda to select primary desktop would > be much apperiated. > > Peace Hello Arturo, I certainly agree with you. It would be nice if the developers at Fedora Core could pay more attention to KDE within the distribution, especially at startup. I have used KDE since I started using Linux and wouldn't use anything else. Jeff From abo at kth.se Fri Dec 3 08:57:32 2004 From: abo at kth.se (Alexander =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bostr=F6m?=) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:57:32 +0100 Subject: Is it possible to start only one app in GUI GNOME or KDE or other? In-Reply-To: <41AE5576.1000008@fes.br> References: <41AE3D92.9000605@fes.br> <1101938824.12116.29.camel@hassium.chemistry.ohio-state.edu> <41AE5576.1000008@fes.br> Message-ID: <1102064252.9594.1.camel@tudor.e.kth.se> ons 2004-12-01 klockan 20:36 -0300 skrev Edilmar Alves - Lista: > If possible, I'd like to start only one app full-screen, and no way for > the user to start others. Thing some kind of application like "bank > terminals", where the user has no chance to do something different from > access the bank application... echo 'xterm' >~/.xinitrc chmod +x ~/.xinitrc /abo From breun at xs4all.nl Fri Dec 3 14:06:57 2004 From: breun at xs4all.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:06:57 +0100 (CET) Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <41AF6E5B.2@flashmail.com> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <41AF5940.5000007@math.unl.edu> <41AF3F14.80709@flashmail.com> <200412021743.56694.jeffy5@optonline.net> <41AF6E5B.2@flashmail.com> Message-ID: <20480.131.211.84.104.1102082817.squirrel@131.211.84.104> Arturo wrote: >> In fact, if you are trying to obtain the KDE desktop upon bootup >> instead of getting the Bluecurve desktop by default, all you need to >> do is go to /etc/sysconfig/desktop and where it says "Gnome", change >> it to "KDE". You need root priviledges, though. >> >> Jeff > > Honestly I wasn't tring to make this into an issue, cause I got it to > work with a little help from LQ.org.....but Ithe point I was tring to > brign forward is, maybe Fedora could pay a little more attention to KDE > users. I could be wrong here becuase this happened since the beginning > of FC2, but I did everything the tutorial I was flowing stated, to no > avail. A little radiobutton in Anaconda to select primary desktop would > be much apperiated. > > Peace Also, you might want to check out the 'switchdesk' command. http://www.linuxforum.com/man/switchdesk.1.php Nils. -- "I got a funny feeling they got plastic in the afterlife" - Beck From dalive at flashmail.com Fri Dec 3 13:02:02 2004 From: dalive at flashmail.com (Arturo) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:02:02 +0000 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <20480.131.211.84.104.1102082817.squirrel@131.211.84.104> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <41AF5940.5000007@math.unl.edu> <41AF3F14.80709@flashmail.com> <200412021743.56694.jeffy5@optonline.net> <41AF6E5B.2@flashmail.com> <20480.131.211.84.104.1102082817.squirrel@131.211.84.104> Message-ID: <41B063CA.3040404@flashmail.com> Nils Breunese wrote: >Arturo wrote: > > > >>> In fact, if you are trying to obtain the KDE desktop upon bootup >>>instead of getting the Bluecurve desktop by default, all you need to >>>do is go to /etc/sysconfig/desktop and where it says "Gnome", change >>>it to "KDE". You need root priviledges, though. >>> >>>Jeff >>> >>> >>Honestly I wasn't tring to make this into an issue, cause I got it to >>work with a little help from LQ.org.....but Ithe point I was tring to >>brign forward is, maybe Fedora could pay a little more attention to KDE >>users. I could be wrong here becuase this happened since the beginning >>of FC2, but I did everything the tutorial I was flowing stated, to no >>avail. A little radiobutton in Anaconda to select primary desktop would >>be much apperiated. >> >>Peace >> >> > >Also, you might want to check out the 'switchdesk' command. > >http://www.linuxforum.com/man/switchdesk.1.php > >Nils. > > Thanks for that tidbit, I learn something today. One thing though, I didn't manually install it or purposely choose it, but the gui package for it was not installed. Peace From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Dec 4 12:10:04 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:10:04 +0100 Subject: vsftpd In-Reply-To: <1102015711.22867.8.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> References: <004601c4d881$86f0df10$060e4154@admin> <1102001438.22867.2.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <002501c4d895$15c5ae60$060e4154@admin> <1102015711.22867.8.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <1102162204.2686.0.camel@kyrre> tor, 02.12.2004 kl. 20.28 skrev Steve Bergman: > On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 17:33 +0000, Ahmed wrote: > > Hi Steve > > Thanks for the reply! > > Do I have to be running vsftpd to add a user or create it? > > No. vsftp uses the native OS usernames and passwords. You do need to > be root. > I think it may use an external password file as well... Behaviour can be configured via vsftpd.conf. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Dec 4 12:14:38 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:14:38 +0100 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <41AF6E5B.2@flashmail.com> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <41AF5940.5000007@math.unl.edu> <41AF3F14.80709@flashmail.com> <200412021743.56694.jeffy5@optonline.net> <41AF6E5B.2@flashmail.com> Message-ID: <1102162477.2686.3.camel@kyrre> tor, 02.12.2004 kl. 20.34 skrev Arturo: > Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote: > > >On Thursday 02 December 2004 11:13 am, Arturo wrote: > > > > > >>Rex Dieter wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Arturo wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> switching from GDM to KDM, I basically had to hack (using the term > >>>>loosely) /etc/X11/prefdm script to get it to work. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>adding > >>>DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" > >>>to > >>>/etc/sysconfig/desktop > >>>is a little easier. > >>> > >>>-- Rex > >>> > >>> > >>I'm not sure if you've actually tried this, but it doesn't work. And > >>reviewing the prefdm , I can't seehow it's suppose to work at all. And > >>I'm not the only who this did not work for. Obviously I may easily be an > >>isolated information. Here's a link to a thread I had started on the > >>issue: > >>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=201201&h > >>ighlight=prefdm > >> >>highlight=prefdm> > >> > >>Peace > >> > >> > >Hello, > > > > In fact, if you are trying to obtain the KDE desktop upon bootup instead > >of getting the Bluecurve desktop by default, all you need to do is go > >to /etc/sysconfig/desktop and where it says "Gnome" , change it to "KDE". > >You need root priviledges, though. > > > >Jeff > > > > > > > Honestly I wasn't tring to make this into an issue, cause I got it to > work with a little help from LQ.org.....but Ithe point I was tring to > brign forward is, maybe Fedora could pay a little more attention to KDE > users. I could be wrong here becuase this happened since the beginning > of FC2, but I did everything the tutorial I was flowing stated, to no > avail. A little radiobutton in Anaconda to select primary desktop would > be much apperiated. > or get that switchdesk-gui thingy back... It is a *bit* crytic that you have to use the terminal in order to switch which *graphical* desktop should be default... From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Dec 4 14:03:33 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 15:03:33 +0100 Subject: desktop printing In-Reply-To: <1102008071.4024.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> References: <1101887041.14276.1.camel@hush> <1101921856.18413.7.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101929477.14276.28.camel@hush> <1101930137.19971.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1101936213.14276.51.camel@hush> <1102008071.4024.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1102169012.2686.5.camel@kyrre> tor, 02.12.2004 kl. 18.21 skrev Colin Walters: > On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 22:23 +0100, tony wrote: > > > By dragging the file to the desktop printer icon the application > > associated with the file type knows I want to print it. Your way is open > > application with double click on file, open print option in menu... I > > used Mac OS for many years, drag and drop desktop printing was > > considered progress when we got it. It is. I confirm. > > Ok, can you file a bug against desktop-printing? I'll investigate this > for FC4. I think though what we want is to move this to upstream GNOME > if it's a desirable feature and have it be part of the default panel. I think it is on XFCE From danieyek at alumni.washington.edu Sun Dec 5 00:23:10 2004 From: danieyek at alumni.washington.edu (Daniel Yek) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 16:23:10 -0800 Subject: GTK clipboard problems In-Reply-To: <1101919922.5157.85.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41AD809B.3050508@redhat.com> <1101919922.5157.85.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1102206190.5942.651.camel@haiou.olywa.net> Hi, On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 08:52, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 22:28 -1000, Warren Togami wrote: > > Since around RH7.3, I remember gtk2 applications would sometimes be > > unable to copy & paste between each other after long runtimes within a > > GNOME session. > (:-) please make sure to clearly distinguish > > - The clipboard > - Middle button paste (primary selection) > > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fclipboards_2dspec I'm wondering if there is a mechanism to disable the Middle-click Pasting (the X Window System Primary Selection mechanism). It is a good feature to be able to do that at a "global" desktop level (as opposed to application level) because the concept of two pasting mechanisms isn't very easy to grasp, especially for people who haven't read the protocol specification at freedesktop.org or X Window System programming documentation regarding atom Primary, Secondary, and Clipboard. (Those were the documents in which I first encountered the Primary Selection and Clipboard concept - not in a user manual or Tips of the Day.) The Middle-click Pasting mechanism is easily discovered by novice users, but at that point, there is no guide/documentation readily available for users to be able to explore the use of it. Instead, users would stumble through many unexpected behavior before concluding that cut-and-paste is broken on this system (because there surely isn't any help available to give them the correct concept that there are two mechanisms where Middle-click pastes from Primary Selection - the high-light - and the Clipboard mechanism requires explicit cutting/copying, not just high-lighting.) What can be done so that a global setting to enable/disable Middle-click Pasting is available? Is these protocols implemented by individual applications or is it implemented by the GTK toolkit? If it is the later, a GConf setting for the entire desktop can be provided, right? Is there such a thing already? If so, is a global setting already available? And if so, should Middle-click Pasting default to disabled at Fedora Core installation time? -- Daniel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Another thing is that the pci.h within /usr/include/linux does not contain anything that is required for building PCI drivers for desktops. why has everything been moved from this file to /usr/include/pci/pci.h. If the intended move is correct why do KDevelop and gcc do not lookup the correct path? 4. printk does not support KERN_ALERT. It is simply not defined? Thanks in advance for any help! Regards Moreshwar Salpekar From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Sun Dec 5 19:08:22 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:08:22 -0800 Subject: CUPS weirdness Message-ID: <1102273702.4253.9.camel@oscar.metro1.com> I am having some printing issues with FC3 that I have not seen before. I have a CUPS server with 6 printers. When I initially built my machine I used printer "A." Recently I attempted to set printer "B" to my default. Some applications(namely firefox and xpdf) simply do not recognize the change even though the printer config util shows that printer "B" is my default. The applications continue to print to "A" Anyone seen this? Sean From otaylor at redhat.com Mon Dec 6 00:34:17 2004 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 19:34:17 -0500 Subject: GTK clipboard problems In-Reply-To: <1102206190.5942.651.camel@haiou.olywa.net> References: <41AD809B.3050508@redhat.com> <1101919922.5157.85.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1102206190.5942.651.camel@haiou.olywa.net> Message-ID: <1102293257.4352.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-12-04 at 16:23 -0800, Daniel Yek wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 08:52, Owen Taylor wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 22:28 -1000, Warren Togami wrote: > > > Since around RH7.3, I remember gtk2 applications would sometimes be > > > unable to copy & paste between each other after long runtimes within a > > > GNOME session. > > > (:-) please make sure to clearly distinguish > > > > - The clipboard > > - Middle button paste (primary selection) > > > > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fclipboards_2dspec > > I'm wondering if there is a mechanism to disable the Middle-click > Pasting (the X Window System Primary Selection mechanism). It is a > good feature to be able to do that at a "global" desktop level (as > opposed to application level) because the concept of two pasting > mechanisms isn't very easy to grasp, especially for people who haven't > read the protocol specification at freedesktop.org or X Window System > programming documentation regarding atom Primary, Secondary, and > Clipboard. (Those were the documents in which I first encountered the > Primary Selection and Clipboard concept - not in a user manual or Tips > of the Day.) The Middle-click Pasting mechanism is easily discovered > by novice users, but at that point, there is no guide/documentation > readily available for users to be able to explore the use of it. > Instead, users would stumble through many unexpected behavior before > concluding that cut-and! -paste is broken on this system (because > there surely isn't any help available to give them the correct concept > that there are two mechanisms where Middle-click pastes from Primary > Selection - the high-light - and the Clipboard mechanism requires > explicit cutting/copying, not just high-lighting.) My guess is that discovering middle button paste isn't something that people do accidentally; rather it's something they are told about by someone else. I'm not sure allowing a sysadmin to turn it off on one set of machines is going to improve the user experience. Regards, Owen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From walters at redhat.com Mon Dec 6 18:14:16 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:14:16 -0500 Subject: CUPS weirdness In-Reply-To: <1102273702.4253.9.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1102273702.4253.9.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1102356856.12147.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 11:08 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > I am having some printing issues with FC3 that I have not seen before. > > I have a CUPS server with 6 printers. When I initially built my machine > I used printer "A." Recently I attempted to set printer "B" to my > default. Some applications(namely firefox and xpdf) simply do not > recognize the change even though the printer config util shows that > printer "B" is my default. Which printer config util? Do you have a ~/.lpoptions file? If so, does its contents correspond to the desired default printer? From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Mon Dec 6 21:49:56 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:49:56 -0800 Subject: CUPS weirdness In-Reply-To: <1102356856.12147.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> References: <1102273702.4253.9.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1102356856.12147.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1102369796.4253.52.camel@oscar.metro1.com> > Which printer config util? Do you have a ~/.lpoptions file? If so, > does its contents correspond to the desired default printer? Contents of ~/.lpoptions: sean at oscar ~ (2) >> less .lpoptions Default L4v However, my default printer from the printconfui is set to "adams" It seems like something is getting confused, should I delete the .lpoptions file? Sean From walters at redhat.com Mon Dec 6 21:52:30 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:52:30 -0500 Subject: CUPS weirdness In-Reply-To: <1102369796.4253.52.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1102273702.4253.9.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1102356856.12147.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1102369796.4253.52.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1102369950.30655.2.camel@nexus.verbum.private> On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 13:49 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > > Which printer config util? Do you have a ~/.lpoptions file? If so, > > does its contents correspond to the desired default printer? > > Contents of ~/.lpoptions: > > sean at oscar ~ (2) >> less .lpoptions > Default L4v > > However, my default printer from the printconfui is set to "adams" printconf-gui changes the system default, which is overridden by the per-user default in ~/.lpoptions. > It seems like something is getting confused, should I delete > the .lpoptions file? To change a user's default printer, use Preferences->More Preferences->Default Printer; this ends up writing out your ~/.lpoptions. From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Tue Dec 7 21:04:08 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:04:08 -0800 Subject: CUPS weirdness In-Reply-To: <1102369950.30655.2.camel@nexus.verbum.private> References: <1102273702.4253.9.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1102356856.12147.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1102369796.4253.52.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1102369950.30655.2.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1102453448.4116.2.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Ty for the assist. I changed the default and all is well. Sean On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 16:52 -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 13:49 -0800, Sean Bruno wrote: > > > Which printer config util? Do you have a ~/.lpoptions file? If so, > > > does its contents correspond to the desired default printer? > > > > Contents of ~/.lpoptions: > > > > sean at oscar ~ (2) >> less .lpoptions > > Default L4v > > > > However, my default printer from the printconfui is set to "adams" > > printconf-gui changes the system default, which is overridden by the > per-user default in ~/.lpoptions. > > > It seems like something is getting confused, should I delete > > the .lpoptions file? > > To change a user's default printer, use > Preferences->More Preferences->Default Printer; this ends up writing out > your ~/.lpoptions. > > From kmaraas at broadpark.no Wed Dec 8 09:55:25 2004 From: kmaraas at broadpark.no (Kjartan Maraas) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 10:55:25 +0100 Subject: Some analysis of starting a Gnome session under valgrind In-Reply-To: <1095799660.2950.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20040921180508.GS18866@redhat.com> <1095798362.3978.17.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1095799660.2950.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1102499725.3050.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> tir, 21,.09.2004 kl. 16.47 -0400, skrev Owen Taylor: > On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 16:26 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > > It's my understanding that ORBit often allocates large buffers and > > writes the whole thing even after only using a small portion, this works > > in the CORBA protocol. You can compile ORBit with some special > > configure option to make it initialize the buffers. > > > > > - pango read_line raises a strange pthread mutex error: > > > pthread_mutex_lock/trylock: mutex has invalid owner > > > in pthread_mutex_lock called by pango_read_line from pango_find_map > > > > This one is odd, maybe Owen has an idea. > > Presumably it's the flockfile() funlockfile() calls in that function. > I can't see anything in this that looks wrong, so it's probably > a bad valgrind/libc interaction. > I've been looking at this a bit more and it seems that pango should be ok. valgrind seems to be mapping flockfile/funlockfile to pthread_mutex_lock/unlock directly, is this the right thing to do? pango_read_line() uses flockfile/funlockfile on the stream passed in but still valgrind complains that a locked mutex is being free'd by way of fclose() in read_modules() in modules.c:501. Does this suggest a race between two threads calling these functions maybe? Cheers Kjartan From limesh at enjayworld.com Thu Dec 9 12:51:01 2004 From: limesh at enjayworld.com (limesh) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:21:01 +0530 Subject: Installing packages using konqueror in FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041130170013.2603D73B4B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200412100242.iBA2gn5v021928@mx1.redhat.com> When I used redhat 8.0 I used to double click a .rpm (while in konqueror) file and it used to get installed thru gui, But in FC3, I am not able to do the same, Can anybody help, Thanks & Regards, Limesh Parekh From cpunerd4 at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 17:03:04 2004 From: cpunerd4 at gmail.com (Jacob Henke) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:03:04 -0800 Subject: help me Message-ID: <4e96a8b404121009032b65333d@mail.gmail.com> I have an old computer that wont boot off of the cd rom. It will boot off of the floppy drive and the hard drive. I want to install fedora 3 but it doesn't have a boot diskette. am I right? what can I do? -- www.cpunerd4.net From byte at aeon.com.my Sat Dec 11 03:06:36 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:06:36 +0800 Subject: FC3 with Generic 2.6.9 Kernel (Win4Lin Question) In-Reply-To: <41AF83EA.8010008@hawaiilinux.us> References: <41AF83EA.8010008@hawaiilinux.us> Message-ID: <1102734396.3741.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 11:06 -1000, Jamie Larsen wrote: > Has anyone had any experience with the generic 2.6.9 kernel? fedora-list at redhat.com might be more appropriate for this > Netraverse no longer provides pre-compiled kernel after FC2. The only > way to run Win4Lin is to get a generic kernel, then apply Netraverse patch. Does their patch not apply cleanly to the FC3 kernel? -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From byte at aeon.com.my Sat Dec 11 03:08:17 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:08:17 +0800 Subject: Help Required In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1102734497.3741.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 22:30 +0530, Moreshwar Salpekar wrote: > Thanks a lot to all of you who helped me to get FC 2 on my PC. Now my PC is > working fine except with two problems which I mention below: fedora-list at redhat.com for all these questions, thanks > 1. How to get my motherboard drivers installed on to my PC? You don't need them > 2. I have a PCI modem on my PC. I could not get a driver on web for it (SM56 > from Motorola). I wanted to write my own driver for it but problem is that Writing drivers is out of the scope of the desktop-list. LKML and kernelnewbies.org might help -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From pijucliu at hawaiilinux.us Sat Dec 11 11:22:54 2004 From: pijucliu at hawaiilinux.us (Jamie Larsen) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 01:22:54 -1000 Subject: FC3 with Generic 2.6.9 Kernel (Win4Lin Question) In-Reply-To: <1102734396.3741.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41AF83EA.8010008@hawaiilinux.us> <1102734396.3741.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41BAD88E.5090107@hawaiilinux.us> Colin Charles wrote: >Does their patch not apply cleanly to the FC3 kernel? > > Sorry, no luck. From Sigmascape1 at cs.com Sat Dec 11 18:38:44 2004 From: Sigmascape1 at cs.com (Sigmascape1 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:38:44 -0500 Subject: New Blog dealing with Free Software and Content Message-ID: <245D66C0.0CDCA9AA.3F8EDD3A@cs.com> Hi, I wanted to let you guys know that I have started a new blog that deals with open source software and content with flexible (cc) licenses. http://featherston.blogspot.com Thanks! Mitch From tony at tgds.net Mon Dec 13 08:32:53 2004 From: tony at tgds.net (tony) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:32:53 +0100 Subject: DVB and udev Message-ID: <1102926773.3743.11.camel@hush> Hello, After two weeks I have solved my problem with udev and DVB. I feel that the following information should be on the release notes page for FC3: To use DVB with Fedora Core 3 and udev you _MUST_ use the modules in http://linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/dvb-kernel/!!! The DVB modules supplied with stock FC3 kernels do not work with udev. The DVB people were not having my problem because they were using hand rolled kernels and latest modules from CVS. The end user of a FC3 desktop machine may have a DVB card but this does not mean that she is familiar with checking modules out of CVS to make it work... Now if anybody has lirc working I am all ears =:-D Cheers Tony Grant From byte at aeon.com.my Mon Dec 13 19:17:49 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:17:49 +0800 Subject: help me In-Reply-To: <4e96a8b404121009032b65333d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4e96a8b404121009032b65333d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1102965469.16684.133.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 09:03 -0800, Jacob Henke wrote: > I have an old computer that wont boot off of the cd rom. It will boot > off of the floppy drive and the hard drive. I want to install fedora 3 > but it doesn't have a boot diskette. am I right? what can I do? fedora-list at redhat.com is the right place for this sort of question Now a quick answer: Use Smart Boot Manager - http://btmgr.sf.net/ -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From kirk at kirkmcpike.com Thu Dec 16 16:59:39 2004 From: kirk at kirkmcpike.com (R. Kirk McPike) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:59:39 -0600 Subject: Fedora 3 on HP Pavillion zt3000? Message-ID: How compatible is Fedora Core 3 with this model? It's a Pentium M system with the 802.11b Intel wireless card (full Centrino system) and a 15.2" widescreen display and CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive. I'd like to try FC3, as I'm very impressed with everything I've read about it, but I'm fairly inexperienced with Linux (installed it a few times, played with it every now and then but never used it as a primary operating system), and I don't think I'd be able to get it up and running if a lot of low level work is involved... Thanks for any advice you all can provide. Kirk From kyrre at solution-forge.net Thu Dec 16 20:52:46 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:52:46 +0100 Subject: Choice of default fonts in webrowsers Message-ID: <1103230340.4702.5.camel@kyrre> Hello After reading to much forums, i can se "everyone" is complaing about "the default font in (put your favorite web browser here) is so ugly, it is hardly readable!" Then the reply is "use Bitstream vera (sans) instead" and then "oh! that was better! it was really readable! nice!" Why is it so? Why is those fonts, which it seem like "everyone" thinks are really ugly are used, when better fonts are shipped? I would guess there are more people than me who has opinions on this. Disclaimer: i am forwarding a "general feeling" from parts of the comunity, as not everyone are on this list. But after changing my default fonts in firefox, i must say i agree. This was *much* better! Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k From christopher.blizzard at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 20:12:51 2004 From: christopher.blizzard at gmail.com (Chris Blizzard) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:12:51 -0500 Subject: Choice of default fonts in webrowsers In-Reply-To: <1103230340.4702.5.camel@kyrre> References: <1103230340.4702.5.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: The fonts are driven by fontconfig. So it's up to the system config to do the mapping. --Chris On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:52:46 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Hello > > After reading to much forums, i can se "everyone" is complaing about > "the default font in (put your favorite web browser here) is so ugly, it > is hardly readable!" > > Then the reply is "use Bitstream vera (sans) instead" and then "oh! that > was better! it was really readable! nice!" > > Why is it so? Why is those fonts, which it seem like "everyone" thinks > are really ugly are used, when better fonts are shipped? > > I would guess there are more people than me who has opinions on this. > > Disclaimer: i am forwarding a "general feeling" from parts of the > comunity, as not everyone are on this list. But after changing my > default fonts in firefox, i must say i agree. This was *much* better! > > Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > From vampire_janus at yahoo.com Sun Dec 19 09:32:38 2004 From: vampire_janus at yahoo.com (vampire janus) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 01:32:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: log out menu Message-ID: <20041219093238.5663.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> In kde of FC2 (as well as Red Hat 7.1) when you click the logout menu in the kmenu it will lead to two options- logout and cancel. I wish instead that you have the options- restart, logout and shut down just like what you see in gnome. does fc3 have this in its kde? in other kde-centric distribution this has been the case for a lot that I have seen- Mandrake and Bayanihan Linux for instance. Without this, the way to restart or shutdown your computer is by typing in the command line which is a little burdensome for a desktop. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com From rdieter at math.unl.edu Sun Dec 19 10:03:18 2004 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 04:03:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: kde log out menu In-Reply-To: <20041219093238.5663.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041219093238.5663.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, vampire janus wrote: > In kde of FC2 (as well as Red Hat 7.1) when you click > the logout menu in the kmenu it will lead to two > options- logout and cancel. I wish instead that you > have the options- restart, logout and shut down just > like what you see in gnome. That works if (and only if, AFAIK), you're using the kdm login manager (instead of gdm). To do that, put into /etc/sysconfig desktop: DISPLAYMANAGER=KDE and then either reboot, or drop to runlevel 3 and then back to 5 (simply restarting X is not sufficient) -- Rex From stevelist at silverorange.com Sun Dec 19 21:23:06 2004 From: stevelist at silverorange.com (Steven Garrity) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:23:06 -0400 Subject: Default Panel Menu Setup Message-ID: <41C5F13A.7000709@silverorange.com> Has any consideration been given to the menu configuration used by Ubuntu? Here's a screenshot (http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=152&slide=50), but basically what I'm wondering about is the two primary menus being "Applications" and "Computer" with the "Computer" menu including links to key locations (Home, Desktop, Disks, Network, Recent Documents) and other system activities (Prefs, config, screenshot, lock, log-out). Having seen Fedora, Novell Linux Desktop, and Ubuntu, I'm not even sure what the default Gnome menu configuration is anymore. I'm quite skeptical that the relatively minor variations between the major distros on these menu layout issues leave any one distribution with a better solution (especially now that Fedora is closer to the upstream Gnome setup). I understand that there is room for customization within distributions, but I'd love to see the best solution pushed upstream and adopted across the major distros. While I'm a Fedora Core 3 user myself, I think the default menu breakdown (shown/described above) is the best I've seen. Thanks, Steven Garrity From vampire_janus at yahoo.com Mon Dec 20 00:32:27 2004 From: vampire_janus at yahoo.com (vampire janus) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:32:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: kde log out menu In-Reply-To: <20041219170004.5D8A673AD5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041220003227.16821.qmail@web51401.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Rex =) I will try it as soon as I get hold of FC3 (which is really soon since someone from my office already have it). For the others, sorry that this is becoming a tips section. Maybe too newbie? But if it is possible to hack out kde to have this kind of logout menu eventhough the distro uses gdm I think that would be a great help to all others who are using kde in Fedora. Thanks and regards to you all =) > Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 04:03:18 -0600 (CST) > From: Rex Dieter > Subject: Re: kde log out menu > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora > desktop > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; > format=flowed > > On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, vampire janus wrote: > > > In kde of FC2 (as well as Red Hat 7.1) when you > click > > the logout menu in the kmenu it will lead to two > > options- logout and cancel. I wish instead that > you > > have the options- restart, logout and shut down > just > > like what you see in gnome. > > That works if (and only if, AFAIK), you're using the > kdm login manager > (instead of gdm). To do that, put into > /etc/sysconfig desktop: > DISPLAYMANAGER=KDE > and then either reboot, or drop to runlevel 3 and > then back to 5 (simply > restarting X is not sufficient) > > -- Rex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nandox7 at myrealbox.com Mon Dec 20 01:06:54 2004 From: nandox7 at myrealbox.com (Nando) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:06:54 +0000 Subject: Default Panel Menu Setup In-Reply-To: <41C5F13A.7000709@silverorange.com> References: <41C5F13A.7000709@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <41C625AE.4080704@myrealbox.com> Steven Garrity wrote: > Has any consideration been given to the menu configuration used by > Ubuntu? > > Here's a screenshot > (http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=152&slide=50), > but basically what I'm wondering about is the two primary menus being > "Applications" and "Computer" with the "Computer" menu including links > to key locations (Home, Desktop, Disks, Network, Recent Documents) and > other system activities (Prefs, config, screenshot, lock, log-out). > > Having seen Fedora, Novell Linux Desktop, and Ubuntu, I'm not even > sure what the default Gnome menu configuration is anymore. > > I'm quite skeptical that the relatively minor variations between the > major distros on these menu layout issues leave any one distribution > with a better solution (especially now that Fedora is closer to the > upstream Gnome setup). > > I understand that there is room for customization within > distributions, but I'd love to see the best solution pushed upstream > and adopted across the major distros. > > While I'm a Fedora Core 3 user myself, I think the default menu > breakdown (shown/described above) is the best I've seen. > > Thanks, > Steven Garrity > True. Currently fedora distribute some tools that belongs to the same type. Having configuration tools, scattered across several menus. Would be nice to have one off these two features, 1 - A reorganization of the menus; 2 - Menu editing. I'd prefered both, but one off them would be nice. Nando From markmc at redhat.com Mon Dec 20 09:41:15 2004 From: markmc at redhat.com (Mark McLoughlin) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:41:15 +0000 Subject: Default Panel Menu Setup In-Reply-To: <41C5F13A.7000709@silverorange.com> References: <41C5F13A.7000709@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <1103535675.3989.14.camel@blaa> On Sun, 2004-12-19 at 17:23 -0400, Steven Garrity wrote: > Has any consideration been given to the menu configuration used by Ubuntu? Vincent is working on it upstream: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161613 Cheers, Mark. From byte at aeon.com.my Mon Dec 20 14:14:34 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:14:34 +0800 Subject: Fedora 3 on HP Pavillion zt3000? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1103552075.4468.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-12-16 at 10:59 -0600, R. Kirk McPike wrote: > How compatible is Fedora Core 3 with this model? It's a Pentium M > system with the 802.11b Intel wireless card (full Centrino system) and > a 15.2" widescreen display and CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PostIsOffTopic fedora-list at redhat.com is more appropriate for this Now, to answer you: most likely, it'll be compatible. Check the fedora- list archives, give it a whirl yourself, and report back and tell us how it goes. The wireless card might require some binary only drivers, but they're available too -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From surak at tuxedo.darktech.org Tue Dec 21 05:31:56 2004 From: surak at tuxedo.darktech.org (Rob Shinn) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:31:56 -0500 Subject: ESD output is garbled Message-ID: <1103607116.29990.23.camel@tuxedo.darktech.org> I've got Fedora Core 3 using kernel 2.6.9-1.667, the default one that ships with FC3. I have a SiS 735 chipset motherboard with an Athlon 1800+ XP, and 1 GB of DDR. FC3 detected my sound card as using the snd-intel8x0 driver, which is the driver I used on my last distro on the 2.4 kernel . The output for the card detection test was flawless. Output via ALSA and OSS work flawlessly as well. But any sounds output through ESD get garbled and 'staticky' sounding. This didn't happen on my last distro, which was Gentoo running a 2.4.22 kernel. Anyone got a clue? From chamilt at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 06:54:17 2004 From: chamilt at gmail.com (Chamil Thanthrimudalige) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:54:17 +0600 Subject: Problem with NVidia card and dual display in FC 3 In-Reply-To: <1103607116.29990.23.camel@tuxedo.darktech.org> References: <1103607116.29990.23.camel@tuxedo.darktech.org> Message-ID: <500c34b104122122542884d03f@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I installed a fresh copy of FC3 on my machine. The default nv drivers work fine. But I can't get dual head working with nv drivers by editing xorg.conf. "system-config-display" does not do any thing when I select "Use dual head" and click ok. Then I cancel to go out of the screen. So I do a init 3 install the NVidia drivers from the site. Change xorg.conf and then do a init 5 and my dual display works fine. But when I reboot the system it does not work. With out the intial graphical part I can go upto the login screen and then when X starts it says that displays were found but non have a usable configuration. Please note that I can use the below configuration file and work on the system with out rebooting after the instalation of the drivers from the NVidia site. My Card is Asus V9400 Gamer Rdition which used NVidia "MX 4000" GPU. My xorg.conf is pasted below. Best Regards, Chamil Thanthrimudalige. ============================= # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "single head configuration" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "Files" # RgbPath is the location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally # no need to change the default. # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) # By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of # the X server to render fonts. RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "unix/:7100" EndSection Section "Module" Load "dbe" Load "extmod" Load "fbdevhw" Load "glx" Load "record" Load "freetype" Load "type1" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) # Option "Xleds" "1 2 3" # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. # Option "XkbDisable" # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. # keyboard, you will probably want to use: # Option "XkbModel" "pc102" # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: # Option "XkbModel" "microsoft" # # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # or: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" # # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and # control keys, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps" # Or if you just want both to be control, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" # Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "E50c" DisplaySize 280 210 HorizSync 30.0 - 54.0 VertRefresh 50.0 - 120.0 Option "dpms" Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync" "30.0 - 54.0" Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "50.0 - 120.0" Option "SecondMonitorDisplaySize" "280 210" Option "TwinView" "true" Option "MetaModes" "1024x768,1024x768" Option "ConnectedMonitor" "CRT, CRT" Option "TwinViewOrientation" "RightOf" Option "MetaModes" "1024x768,1024x768" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "Videocard vendor" BoardName "NVIDIA GeForce 4 MX (generic)" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 Modes "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection Section "DRI" Group 0 Mode 0666 EndSection ============================================ From kms at passback.co.uk Wed Dec 22 08:35:13 2004 From: kms at passback.co.uk (Keith Sharp) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:35:13 +0000 Subject: Problem with NVidia card and dual display in FC 3 In-Reply-To: <500c34b104122122542884d03f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1103607116.29990.23.camel@tuxedo.darktech.org> <500c34b104122122542884d03f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1103704513.4336.5.camel@animal.passback.co.uk> On Wed, 2004-12-22 at 12:54 +0600, Chamil Thanthrimudalige wrote: > Hi, This type of question is better suited to the general Fedora list: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > I installed a fresh copy of FC3 on my machine. The default nv drivers > work fine. But I can't get dual head working with nv drivers by > editing xorg.conf. "system-config-display" does not do any thing when > I select "Use dual head" and click ok. Then I cancel to go out of the > screen. > > So I do a init 3 install the NVidia drivers from the site. Change > xorg.conf and then do a init 5 and my dual display works fine. But > when I reboot the system it does not work. I had exactly the same problem with an ATI Radeon X300 in dual head mode, normal X.org drivers. System-config-display exhibited the same symptoms - would not allow me to configure dual head. Like you I had to creat a suitable config file by hand. > With out the intial > graphical part I can go upto the login screen and then when X starts > it says that displays were found but non have a usable configuration. I don't see this problem. I had to disable RHGB or my system would just hang during the boot process. I think the hang was as RHGB tried to exit / GDM tried to start. Remote access via SSH still worked. Keith. From kmilhous at yahoo.com Wed Dec 22 14:58:59 2004 From: kmilhous at yahoo.com (Keith Milhouse) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:58:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Problem with NVidia card and dual display in FC 3 In-Reply-To: <1103704513.4336.5.camel@animal.passback.co.uk> Message-ID: <20041222145859.24796.qmail@web20621.mail.yahoo.com> Seems like I saw this problem before with Core-2. Haven't used "system-config-display" since but manually edit the xorg.conf. We also use the 'nvidia' driver working with Core-3 in a 3-headed configuration. After you rebooted and X failed, was the xorg.conf trying to use the 'nvidia' driver and not the 'nv' driver? Was the nvidia driver loaded (lsmod). Keith M --- Keith Sharp wrote: > On Wed, 2004-12-22 at 12:54 +0600, Chamil > Thanthrimudalige wrote: > > Hi, > > This type of question is better suited to the > general Fedora list: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > > I installed a fresh copy of FC3 on my machine. The > default nv drivers > > work fine. But I can't get dual head working with > nv drivers by > > editing xorg.conf. "system-config-display" does > not do any thing when > > I select "Use dual head" and click ok. Then I > cancel to go out of the > > screen. > > > > So I do a init 3 install the NVidia drivers from > the site. Change > > xorg.conf and then do a init 5 and my dual display > works fine. But > > when I reboot the system it does not work. > > I had exactly the same problem with an ATI Radeon > X300 in dual head > mode, normal X.org drivers. System-config-display > exhibited the same > symptoms - would not allow me to configure dual > head. Like you I had to > creat a suitable config file by hand. > > > With out the intial > > graphical part I can go upto the login screen and > then when X starts > > it says that displays were found but non have a > usable configuration. > > I don't see this problem. I had to disable RHGB or > my system would just > hang during the boot process. I think the hang was > as RHGB tried to > exit / GDM tried to start. Remote access via SSH > still worked. > > Keith. > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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If you are interested in helping create releases, this is the list for you. fedora-docs-list - For participants of the docs project fedora-desktop-list - For discussions about desktop issues such as user interfaces, artwork, and usability fedora-config-list - For discussions about the development of configuration tools fedora-tools-list - For discussions about the toolchain (gcc, gdb, etc...) within Fedora fedora-patches-list - For submitting patches to Fedora maintainers, and used in line with BugWeek fedora-legacy-announce - For announcements about the Fedora Legacy Project fedora-legacy-list - For discussions about the Fedora Legacy Project fedora-selinux-list - For discussions about the Fedora SELinux Project fedora-marketing-list - For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base fedora-de-list - For discussions about Fedora in the German language fedora-es-list - For discussions about Fedora in the Spanish language fedora-ja-list - For discussions about Fedora in the Japanese language fedora-i18n-list - For discussions about the internationalization of Fedora Core fedora-trans-list - For discussions about translating the software and documentation associated with the Fedora Project German: fedora-trans-de French: fedora-trans-fr Spanish: fedora-trans-es Italian: fedora-trans-it Brazilian Portuguese: fedora-trans-pt_br Japanese: fedora-trans-ja Korean: fedora-trans-ko Simplified Chinese: fedora-trans-zh_cn Traditional Chinese: fedora-trans-zh_tw From chamilt at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 08:29:35 2004 From: chamilt at gmail.com (Chamil Thanthrimudalige) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:29:35 +0600 Subject: Problem with NVidia card and dual display in FC 3 In-Reply-To: <20041222145859.24796.qmail@web20621.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1103704513.4336.5.camel@animal.passback.co.uk> <20041222145859.24796.qmail@web20621.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <500c34b104122300291d01bc1f@mail.gmail.com> Hi, It was trying to use 'nvidia' driver. It works when I set it to use 'nv'. About whether the module is loaded. I am not quite sure. I do not want to reboot my machine again coz then I will have to do every thing from scrach again. But I can remember that the error log had an error saying that some module did not load. I think it was "glx". Not too sure about this though. I guess I will submit this to the "fedora-list" and see whether they have any thing to say about it. Best Regards, Chamil Thanthrimudalige. On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:58:59 -0800 (PST), Keith Milhouse wrote: > Seems like I saw this problem before with Core-2. > Haven't used "system-config-display" since but > manually edit the xorg.conf. We also use the 'nvidia' > driver working with Core-3 in a 3-headed > configuration. > > After you rebooted and X failed, was the xorg.conf > trying to use the 'nvidia' driver and not the 'nv' > driver? Was the nvidia driver loaded (lsmod). > > Keith M > > > --- Keith Sharp wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-12-22 at 12:54 +0600, Chamil > > Thanthrimudalige wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > This type of question is better suited to the > > general Fedora list: > > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > > > > I installed a fresh copy of FC3 on my machine. The > > default nv drivers > > > work fine. But I can't get dual head working with > > nv drivers by > > > editing xorg.conf. "system-config-display" does > > not do any thing when > > > I select "Use dual head" and click ok. Then I > > cancel to go out of the > > > screen. > > > > > > So I do a init 3 install the NVidia drivers from > > the site. Change > > > xorg.conf and then do a init 5 and my dual display > > works fine. But > > > when I reboot the system it does not work. > > > > I had exactly the same problem with an ATI Radeon > > X300 in dual head > > mode, normal X.org drivers. System-config-display > > exhibited the same > > symptoms - would not allow me to configure dual > > head. Like you I had to > > creat a suitable config file by hand. > > > > > With out the intial > > > graphical part I can go upto the login screen and > > then when X starts > > > it says that displays were found but non have a > > usable configuration. > > > > I don't see this problem. I had to disable RHGB or > > my system would just > > hang during the boot process. I think the hang was > > as RHGB tried to > > exit / GDM tried to start. Remote access via SSH > > still worked. > > > > Keith. > > > > -- > > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > From borg at chello.nl Sat Dec 25 10:02:40 2004 From: borg at chello.nl (M.) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:02:40 +0100 Subject: Kernel issues Message-ID: <000e01c4ea68$deb1d030$0101a8c0@cyborg03> Hello all, I'm very much a newbie to Linux (running Fedora FC3 for 10 days) and there is an issue I have run into. The biggest problem I have is that for some reason my kernel doesn't update properly. My Fedora box is dual PPro running kernel 667smp, but I know kernel 681smp is out there for download and install. I run the GUI version of up2date and I always download and install all patches that are made available. For some reason kernel 681smp didn't install. So fine, I downloaded the rpm-package for kernel 681smp manually with FireFox, choosing the option to run it with the default application, but when FireFox has downloaded the package and starts the installer, the installer says kernel 681smp is already installed. Just to double-check I searched on the Internet and found this command "uname -r", which confirms I am running kernel 667smp. How do I force a reinstall or an update of the kernel to version 681smp? Thanks, Maurice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Sat Dec 25 12:36:59 2004 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 14:36:59 +0200 Subject: Kernel issues In-Reply-To: <000e01c4ea68$deb1d030$0101a8c0@cyborg03> References: <000e01c4ea68$deb1d030$0101a8c0@cyborg03> Message-ID: <41CD5EEB.7000505@nicubunu.ro> M. wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm very much a newbie to Linux (running Fedora FC3 for 10 days) and > there is an issue I have run into. The biggest problem I have is that > for some reason my kernel doesn't update properly. My Fedora box is dual > PPro running kernel 667smp, but I know kernel 681smp is out there for > download and install. I run the GUI version of up2date and I always > download and install all patches that are made available. > > For some reason kernel 681smp didn't install. So fine, I downloaded the > rpm-package for kernel 681smp manually with FireFox, choosing the option > to run it with the default application, but when FireFox has downloaded > the package and starts the installer, the installer says kernel 681smp > is already installed. Just to double-check I searched on the Internet > and found this command "uname -r", which confirms I am running kernel > 667smp. > > How do I force a reinstall or an update of the kernel to version 681smp? to find out what kernel version (or versions) are installed use "rpm -q kernel". "uname -r" will give the version of the kernel which is currently running, you may have more than one installed, the active one is selected in the boot menu or in grub configuration. next time when you upgrade the kernel i recommend to use yum - "yum update kernel". also, for keeping the system up to date with the latest patches, i recommend using yum in crontab (yum as a service) From mattdm at mattdm.org Sat Dec 25 16:14:12 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:14:12 -0500 Subject: Kernel issues In-Reply-To: <000e01c4ea68$deb1d030$0101a8c0@cyborg03> References: <000e01c4ea68$deb1d030$0101a8c0@cyborg03> Message-ID: <20041225161412.GA30252@jadzia.bu.edu> On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 11:02:40AM +0100, M. wrote: > package and starts the installer, the installer says kernel 681smp is > already installed. Just to double-check I searched on the Internet and found > this command "uname -r", which confirms I am running kernel 667smp. > How do I force a reinstall or an update of the kernel to version 681smp? Hopefully this is a silly question, but have you rebooted? -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From w5set at alltel.net Sat Dec 25 16:57:20 2004 From: w5set at alltel.net (Steve Thacker) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:57:20 -0600 Subject: Kernel issues In-Reply-To: <20041225161412.GA30252@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <000e01c4ea68$deb1d030$0101a8c0@cyborg03> <20041225161412.GA30252@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <41CD9BF0.50401@alltel.net> yes--try rebooting and look at the "Kernel choise Sreen"--first one to show on boot--it will give you a choise of which version of kernel to boot to. Some--not all however--grub loaders are setup to use the latest kernel, just make sure you read fast and use the arrow keys to select the latest kernel displayed, then hit the enter key. After booting and loging on--etc--go to (I use KDE gui) System Settings then boot configuration--make sure grub is setup to boot to the "latest" version of kernel (but make sure that this kernel WORKS ok with your particular setup for a day or so). this help??? If you didn't load this particular "tool" when you installed Fedora Core 3--it is still possible to do the same from the grub boot screen---read fast--edit grub boot--etc................steve Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 11:02:40AM +0100, M. wrote: > >>package and starts the installer, the installer says kernel 681smp is >>already installed. Just to double-check I searched on the Internet and found >>this command "uname -r", which confirms I am running kernel 667smp. >>How do I force a reinstall or an update of the kernel to version 681smp? > > > Hopefully this is a silly question, but have you rebooted? > From borg at chello.nl Sun Dec 26 15:56:24 2004 From: borg at chello.nl (M.) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:56:24 +0100 Subject: [mail] Re: Kernel issues In-Reply-To: <41CD9BF0.50401@alltel.net> Message-ID: <000001c4eb63$7471a0f0$0101a8c0@cyborg03> Mathew, Steve, Thanks for your replies. I am not at all offended or anything by asking if I rebooted. You see, I work as IT professional (MS-Windows) and usually that is my first question, too. :-) But to return to the subject, I did reboot and when I press a key during startup I can choose between kernels 667 and 667smp. My system boots using grub and I searched for a grub.conf file or something similar, but that didn't yield any result. Interestingly enough though, I do have a lilo.conf.anaconda file which lists kernel 667 and 667smp. So, I reckoned, what if I just modify this file by copying those lines and pasting them, replacing everything that says 667 by 681? Too bad, the boot list simply shows 667 and 667smp and not the ones I had just added. That is another thing, BTW, I don't quite understand the relationship between lilo.conf.anaconda and grub. Do they have any relationship at all? So, short of recompiling the kernel (which is a hell of a task for someone who has no knowledge of Unix/Linux) or waiting for a next kernel update, is there anything I can do either to force the kernel rpm-file to reinstall or to modify the kernel boot list (which files, please). Thanks again, Maurice. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-desktop-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-desktop-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thacker Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 5:57 PM To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop Subject: [mail] Re: Kernel issues yes--try rebooting and look at the "Kernel choise Sreen"--first one to show on boot--it will give you a choise of which version of kernel to boot to. Some--not all however--grub loaders are setup to use the latest kernel, just make sure you read fast and use the arrow keys to select the latest kernel displayed, then hit the enter key. After booting and loging on--etc--go to (I use KDE gui) System Settings then boot configuration--make sure grub is setup to boot to the "latest" version of kernel (but make sure that this kernel WORKS ok with your particular setup for a day or so). this help??? If you didn't load this particular "tool" when you installed Fedora Core 3--it is still possible to do the same from the grub boot screen---read fast--edit grub boot--etc................steve Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 11:02:40AM +0100, M. wrote: > >>package and starts the installer, the installer says kernel 681smp is >>already installed. Just to double-check I searched on the Internet and >>found this command "uname -r", which confirms I am running kernel >>667smp. How do I force a reinstall or an update of the kernel to >>version 681smp? > > > Hopefully this is a silly question, but have you rebooted? > -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list From fsmith at web-links.net Sun Dec 26 16:28:36 2004 From: fsmith at web-links.net (Frank smith) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:28:36 +0000 Subject: [mail] Re: Kernel issues In-Reply-To: <000001c4eb63$7471a0f0$0101a8c0@cyborg03> References: <000001c4eb63$7471a0f0$0101a8c0@cyborg03> Message-ID: <1104078516.4427.6.camel@bear.rokpa> Hi Just have a look in: /boot/grub/grub.conf and the top kerna showing should boot. You will need to be root to change this. Here is mine: ******************************************************************* boot=/dev/hda default=0 timeout=5 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title Fedora Core (2.6.9-1.681_FC3) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.681_FC3 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.9-1.681_FC3.img title Fedora Core (2.6.9-1.667) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.667 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.9-1.667.img ************************************************************************ I assume you are using grub. cheers Bob On Sun, 2004-12-26 at 16:56 +0100, M. wrote: > Mathew, Steve, > > Thanks for your replies. I am not at all offended or anything by asking if I > rebooted. You see, I work as IT professional (MS-Windows) and usually that > is my first question, too. :-) > > But to return to the subject, I did reboot and when I press a key during > startup I can choose between kernels 667 and 667smp. My system boots using > grub and I searched for a grub.conf file or something similar, but that > didn't yield any result. Interestingly enough though, I do have a > lilo.conf.anaconda file which lists kernel 667 and 667smp. So, I reckoned, > what if I just modify this file by copying those lines and pasting them, > replacing everything that says 667 by 681? Too bad, the boot list simply > shows 667 and 667smp and not the ones I had just added. > > That is another thing, BTW, I don't quite understand the relationship > between lilo.conf.anaconda and grub. Do they have any relationship at all? > > So, short of recompiling the kernel (which is a hell of a task for someone > who has no knowledge of Unix/Linux) or waiting for a next kernel update, is > there anything I can do either to force the kernel rpm-file to reinstall or > to modify the kernel boot list (which files, please). > > > Thanks again, > Maurice. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-desktop-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-desktop-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thacker > Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 5:57 PM > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > Subject: [mail] Re: Kernel issues > > > yes--try rebooting and look at the "Kernel choise Sreen"--first one to > show on boot--it will give you a choise of which version of kernel to > boot to. Some--not all however--grub loaders are setup to use the latest > kernel, just make sure you read fast and use the arrow keys to select > the latest kernel displayed, then hit the enter key. After booting and > loging on--etc--go to (I use KDE gui) System Settings then boot > configuration--make sure grub is setup to boot to the "latest" version > of kernel (but make sure that this kernel WORKS ok with your particular > setup for a day or so). this help??? If you didn't load this > particular "tool" when you installed Fedora Core 3--it is still possible > to do the same from the grub boot screen---read fast--edit grub > boot--etc................steve > > Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 11:02:40AM +0100, M. wrote: > > > >>package and starts the installer, the installer says kernel 681smp is > >>already installed. Just to double-check I searched on the Internet and > >>found this command "uname -r", which confirms I am running kernel > >>667smp. How do I force a reinstall or an update of the kernel to > >>version 681smp? > > > > > > Hopefully this is a silly question, but have you rebooted? > > > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w5set at alltel.net Sun Dec 26 20:15:36 2004 From: w5set at alltel.net (Steve Thacker) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:15:36 -0600 Subject: [mail] Re: Kernel issues In-Reply-To: <000001c4eb63$7471a0f0$0101a8c0@cyborg03> References: <000001c4eb63$7471a0f0$0101a8c0@cyborg03> Message-ID: <41CF1BE8.1010601@alltel.net> Are you using RedHat update? If so, check the "Ignored" section if it shows up. It could be that it is there, if so uncheck the box/move it--etc..... just once I did a Kernel update and it didn't install. Didn't worry about it as in a day there was a different version that was availible and it installed just fine on my webserver. Why, I never figured out..........one of the mysteries of Linux?? hi-hi Every day is a new learning experience for me, I have only been running the newer versions of Linux for about 8 months (trials of mandrake, gentoo, Debian, Fedora Core 2/3, FreeBSD(too full of cracker tools), but my experience with computers/networking goes back into the early 80's, and the original experience of early Linux kind of turned me off of Linux for 10 years. GUI's are nice, easy to play with, and lots easier to setup networking/firewalls/playgrounds in. Linux has finally come of age! Maturing nicely, and is the upcoming OS of choise in a lot of areas. So Fedora Core 3 score-1 Windoze score-0 But this is being written on an XP computer running Thunderbird--so I am NOT completely weaned off of XP yet--old habits die hard! My Linux Webserver is running 2.6.9-1.681 kernel nicely. Yum nightly updates is enabled, and so far the world is all Christmas Cheer, hackers are kept away, and I have settled on using Fedora Core 3. (mostly) .............steve M. wrote: > Mathew, Steve, > > Thanks for your replies. I am not at all offended or anything by asking if I > rebooted. You see, I work as IT professional (MS-Windows) and usually that > is my first question, too. :-) From borg at chello.nl Sun Dec 26 20:41:14 2004 From: borg at chello.nl (M.) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:41:14 +0100 Subject: [mail] Re: Kernel issues In-Reply-To: <1104078516.4427.6.camel@bear.rokpa> Message-ID: <000001c4eb8b$3f1fb2c0$0101a8c0@cyborg03> Oh boy, this is gonna be a tough one. :-) I had a look on my box as the root and in my /boot directory there are no further subdirectories, or any files named grub or grub.conf for that matter. I did install grub to the MBR, that I remember now. I don't know where my grub.conf file has gone; the file finder simply doesn't find it. I did a bit of searching on the web regarding this issue and one site mentioned an "update-grub" command which is to recreate the grub config file. It's a real shame though Fedora doesn't have that particular file. :-) So the bottom line here is, I have a system that boots, it has kernel 681 on it (somewhere!), but I don't have the config file for grub. Perhaps there is a grub command that recreates this the config file? (Do I first need to create a folder called "grub" in "/boot"?). Since I did some reading on grub reconfigs, etc. I would also very much like to create a bootable diskette first -- any help on this would also be greatly appreciated. :-) And, oh BTW, this box is Linux only. Thanks again, Maurice. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-desktop-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-desktop-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Frank smith Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 5:29 PM To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop Subject: RE: [mail] Re: Kernel issues Hi Just have a look in: /boot/grub/grub.conf and the top kerna showing should boot. You will need to be root to change this. Here is mine: ******************************************************************* boot=/dev/hda default=0 timeout=5 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title Fedora Core (2.6.9-1.681_FC3) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.681_FC3 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.9-1.681_FC3.img title Fedora Core (2.6.9-1.667) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.667 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.9-1.667.img ************************************************************************ I assume you are using grub. cheers Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Sun Dec 26 20:48:52 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:48:52 +0100 Subject: [mail] Re: Kernel issues In-Reply-To: <000001c4eb8b$3f1fb2c0$0101a8c0@cyborg03> References: <1104078516.4427.6.camel@bear.rokpa> <000001c4eb8b$3f1fb2c0$0101a8c0@cyborg03> Message-ID: <20041226214852.359399d1.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:41:14 +0100, M. wrote: > Oh boy, this is gonna be a tough one. :-) I had a look on my box as the root > and in my /boot directory there are no further subdirectories, or any files > named grub or grub.conf for that matter. I did install grub to the MBR, that > I remember now. I don't know where my grub.conf file has gone; Without the file, GRUB would refuse to boot. So, search differently. In GRUB menu, enter the GRUB command-line mode and use "find /boot/grub/grub.conf" and "find /grub/grub.conf". What do you get? > the file > finder simply doesn't find it. I did a bit of searching on the web regarding > this issue and one site mentioned an "update-grub" command which is to > recreate the grub config file. It's a real shame though Fedora doesn't have > that particular file. :-) > > So the bottom line here is, I have a system that boots, it has kernel 681 on > it (somewhere!), but I don't have the config file for grub. Perhaps there is > a grub command that recreates this the config file? (Do I first need to > create a folder called "grub" in "/boot"?). Since I did some reading on grub > reconfigs, etc. I would also very much like to create a bootable diskette > first -- any help on this would also be greatly appreciated. :-) > > And, oh BTW, this box is Linux only. After booting, what do you get for "rpm --query grub"? Are you sure you installed GRUB and not LILO? From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Sun Dec 26 20:52:23 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:52:23 +0100 Subject: [mail] Re: Kernel issues In-Reply-To: <20041226214852.359399d1.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <1104078516.4427.6.camel@bear.rokpa> <000001c4eb8b$3f1fb2c0$0101a8c0@cyborg03> <20041226214852.359399d1.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <20041226215223.6b641117.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:48:52 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > -snip- Just noticed, I should not have replied, because this is not a suitable topic for fedora-desktop-list -- this list is about development and not for user support questions. Please take this thread to fedora-list: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list From stephan.matthiesen at gmx.de Sun Dec 26 20:54:38 2004 From: stephan.matthiesen at gmx.de (Stephan Matthiesen) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:54:38 +0000 Subject: [mail] Re: Kernel issues In-Reply-To: <20041226214852.359399d1.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <1104078516.4427.6.camel@bear.rokpa> <000001c4eb8b$3f1fb2c0$0101a8c0@cyborg03> <20041226214852.359399d1.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <200412262054.38085.stephan.matthiesen@gmx.de> Hi, Am Sonntag, 26. Dezember 2004 20:48 schrieb Michael Schwendt: > On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:41:14 +0100, M. wrote: > > Oh boy, this is gonna be a tough one. :-) I had a look on my box as the > > root and in my /boot directory there are no further subdirectories, or > > any files named grub or grub.conf for that matter. I did install grub to > > the MBR, that I remember now. I don't know where my grub.conf file has > > gone; > > Without the file, GRUB would refuse to boot. So, search differently. > In GRUB menu, enter the GRUB command-line mode and use "find > /boot/grub/grub.conf" and "find /grub/grub.conf". What do you get? Shouldn't it be in /etc/grub.conf, not /boot? That's where it is on my machine. Cheers Stephan From w5set at alltel.net Sun Dec 26 20:55:19 2004 From: w5set at alltel.net (Steve Thacker) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:55:19 -0600 Subject: [mail] Re: Kernel issues In-Reply-To: <000001c4eb63$7471a0f0$0101a8c0@cyborg03> References: <000001c4eb63$7471a0f0$0101a8c0@cyborg03> Message-ID: <41CF2537.3090603@alltel.net> then again you could, if I remember rightly that you use a dual processor, just use this link inside a rpm command (terminal, command line stuff) like #rpm -install -v http://mirror.linux.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/i386/kernel-smp-2.6.9-1.681_FC3.i686.rpm if you use the 686 smp kernels (above) if you use the 586 smp kernels use #rpm -install -v http://mirror.linux.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/i386/kernel-smp-2.6.9-1.681_FC3.i586.rpm all above are ONE line commands. or just strip off every thing after the /i386/ and look at the remaining link of http://mirror.linux.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/i386/ before you leap. Also you can do a # man rpm command line to get lots of info on using the "rpm" command. If my memory is like I think it could be, please investigate above links before using them--I just might have gotten your smp kernel needs WRONG. the # thingie is the root "prompt" and doesn't need to be typed in, and of course you need to have root priveleges to do this. enough stating of the probably totally obvious stuff to you, let me know if any of this helps....................(in the world of command line usage, I think it's better to overstate then leave some stuff out that I assume everyone knows --especially for me!!--hi-hi) ..................steve (if you get the "already installed" message try the -update command with rpm---see #man rpm ) From borg at chello.nl Mon Dec 27 21:44:48 2004 From: borg at chello.nl (M.) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:44:48 +0100 Subject: [fedora] Re: [mail] Re: Kernel issues In-Reply-To: <20041226214852.359399d1.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <000801c4ec5d$4b6aa350$0101a8c0@cyborg03> > Without the file, GRUB would refuse to boot. So, search differently. > In GRUB menu, enter the GRUB command-line mode and use "find /boot/grub/grub.conf" > and "find /grub/grub.conf". What do you get? This is interesting. In grub the first command returns, "Error 15: File not found". The second command does return something more useful, "(hd1,0) (hd2,0)". I had one hard disk when I did the original install of Linux and later I placed another disk in my computer -- to date I have not been able to use this second disk for anything (well, that is to say it's generating heat but so is the central heating system in my home :-) ). > After booting, what do you get for "rpm --query grub"? > > Are you sure you installed GRUB and not LILO? The rpm query returns, "grub0-.95-3". And yes, I am 100% certain my box is running grub and not LILO (I verified it during the latest boot). -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list From breun at xs4all.nl Tue Dec 28 14:45:29 2004 From: breun at xs4all.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:45:29 +0100 Subject: Kernel issues In-Reply-To: <200412262054.38085.stephan.matthiesen@gmx.de> References: <1104078516.4427.6.camel@bear.rokpa> <000001c4eb8b$3f1fb2c0$0101a8c0@cyborg03> <20041226214852.359399d1.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <200412262054.38085.stephan.matthiesen@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1104245129.3976.1.camel@breuniac> Stephan Matthiesen wrote: > > Without the file, GRUB would refuse to boot. So, search differently. > > In GRUB menu, enter the GRUB command-line mode and use "find > > /boot/grub/grub.conf" and "find /grub/grub.conf". What do you get? > > Shouldn't it be in /etc/grub.conf, not /boot? That's where it is on my > machine. On my machine /etc/grub.conf is a symlink to /boot/grub/grub.conf, so I guess it doesn't really matter which one you're looking for. What does 'rpm -q kernel' tell you? That should list all installed kernels. Nils. From jyates at netezza.com Mon Dec 27 23:36:33 2004 From: jyates at netezza.com (John S. Yates, Jr.) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:36:33 -0500 Subject: How do I add a new window manager? Message-ID: I would like to play with WMI ( wmi.modprobe.de ). I have gotten it to build on amd64 and can launch it from the failsafe prompt. What do I have to do to make it an available session type? From borg at chello.nl Wed Dec 29 14:46:40 2004 From: borg at chello.nl (M.) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:46:40 +0100 Subject: Kernel issues In-Reply-To: <1104245129.3976.1.camel@breuniac> References: <1104078516.4427.6.camel@bear.rokpa> <000001c4eb8b$3f1fb2c0$0101a8c0@cyborg03> <20041226214852.359399d1.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <200412262054.38085.stephan.matthiesen@gmx.de> <1104245129.3976.1.camel@breuniac> Message-ID: <1104331600.3247.1.camel@192.168.1.6> On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 15:45 +0100, Nils Breunese wrote: > What does 'rpm -q kernel' tell you? That should list all installed > kernels. > > Nils. > The replies are, "kernel-2.6.9-1.667 & kernel-2.6.9-1.681_FC3" (on separate lines). Maurice. From fsmith at web-links.net Wed Dec 29 15:35:14 2004 From: fsmith at web-links.net (Frank smith) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:35:14 +0000 Subject: Kernel issues In-Reply-To: <1104331600.3247.1.camel@192.168.1.6> References: <1104078516.4427.6.camel@bear.rokpa> <000001c4eb8b$3f1fb2c0$0101a8c0@cyborg03> <20041226214852.359399d1.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <200412262054.38085.stephan.matthiesen@gmx.de> <1104245129.3976.1.camel@breuniac> <1104331600.3247.1.camel@192.168.1.6> Message-ID: <1104334514.4870.9.camel@bear.rokpa> Hi *** - kernel-2.6.9-1.681_FC3 -***** I assume this to be at the top and this is what will boot. I had the same if you see the mail I sent you. I'm confuse that you cant find your grub.conf in boot. You may need to open a terminal and type: [bob at bear ~]$ su - (You should then see) Password: (type you admin pw) The type: [root at bear ~]# cat /boot/grub/grub.conf ( you should see in FC3) # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. # root (hd0,0) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 # initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/hda default=0 timeout=5 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title Fedora Core (2.6.9-1.681_FC3) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.681_FC3 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.9-1.681_FC3.img [root at bear ~]# This what boots the kernal, you are using the same kernal as me. 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URL: From esujithk at yahoo.co.in Thu Dec 30 10:54:41 2004 From: esujithk at yahoo.co.in (Sujith kumar) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:54:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: HPLaserjet 1010 In-Reply-To: <1104403329.3096.9.camel@bear.rokpa> Message-ID: <20041230105441.68910.qmail@web8407.mail.in.yahoo.com> Hi Smith, Can u please tell me in a more simplied way. I am a newbie. thank you, sujith Frank smith wrote: HI I have a colour laser jet 5 here and the best I got it work in cups was using the postscript driver, as is, The laser should be able to understand postscript and change from PCL if thats what you have. Give it a try as I found none of the hp drivers worked in cups. Cheers Bob On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 10:20 +0000, Sujith kumar wrote: HP Laserjet 1010 -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From FilipSedivy at mail.boisestate.edu Thu Dec 30 18:01:01 2004 From: FilipSedivy at mail.boisestate.edu (Filip Sedivy) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:01:01 -0700 Subject: Lock screen dialog box Message-ID: <1104429661.683eee9cFilipSedivy@mail.boisestate.edu> Hello. I was just wondering if there is any way hot get rid of the ugly dialog box (xscreensaver) when I loock the screen in default install of FC3. I wish it will look more professional like the blue login dialog. Thanks. From kms at passback.co.uk Thu Dec 30 23:09:48 2004 From: kms at passback.co.uk (Keith Sharp) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:09:48 +0000 Subject: Lock screen dialog box In-Reply-To: <1104429661.683eee9cFilipSedivy@mail.boisestate.edu> References: <1104429661.683eee9cFilipSedivy@mail.boisestate.edu> Message-ID: <1104448188.4364.27.camel@animal.passback.co.uk> On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 11:01 -0700, Filip Sedivy wrote: > Hello. I was just wondering if there is any way hot get rid of the > ugly dialog box (xscreensaver) when I loock the screen in default > install of FC3. I wish it will look more professional like the blue > login dialog. Thanks. There has been much discussion of this on various mailing lists. Some people have even started projects to implement this, try Google for URLs. The definitive word seems to be: http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html Keith.