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Re: Defining the target audience (Was Re: low-hanging fruit)

On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 11:56 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote:

> The real point I was tried to make was about the target audience: if we
> want to make a difference with this new derived distribution we need to
> have a target audience and optimize the experience for this audience
> instead of the rather direction-less "catch-all-audiences" thing we've
> been doing with Fedora so far. 

Sorry, but so far I haven't seen how dropping LVM would optimize the
experience for this audience, and using your kernel compiling
requirements as an argument in favour of non-technical users muddied the
waters a bit. You know, it was the "no lvm/raid in livecd installer"
thing in Matthias' original posting that set me off in the beginning.
Granted, he might have meant "no techno-babble when doing the disk
layout" instead of "always install directly into partitions" ;-).

I'm fine with having a simplified method for these people to get an
installation from the live media. But I don't see how not having LVM
under the hood helps them. After all, at one day their disks will be
full. Then they'll want to add another disk (or let it be added by
someone who doesn't risk life and limb when using a screwdriver) and use
that space. With LVM we can just provide the tools where they just have
to say "use (this amount from) that disk for Fedora", the tools do the
pvcreate, vgextend, lvextend, resize*fs dance under the hood and presto,
the user is happy.

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