[rawhide social experiments] kernel-source(code) package removed once again ... (was: How to build kernel-sourcecode-2.6.8-1.525)

[Axel Thimm]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 03:31:56PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> >  While the framework was never perfect, at least
> > there was one and the last 8 weeks have seen 3 (!!!) major
> > modifications to make it worse to unusable. Not counting 4kstacks
> > option or sys_* interface removal ...
> 
> ehhhh dude. 4kstacks is a major desktop latency gain. As well as a
> server gain.

Thanks for clarifying this, I thought 4KSTACKS was for making it
impossible to run XFS filesystems w/o risiking corruption. Oh, yes, I
forget XFS/reiserfs is not supported.

> If you see that as a my imaginary vendetta against external modules
> you should go see a doctor. really. Same for removing deprecated,
> nearly impossible to use correctly and security prone interfaces. I
> don't know what other ghosts you see in your tea leaves but I
> suspect you're just imagining things.

Hm, choosing to use CONFIG_4KSTACKS is a wise thing (in fedora
scope). Enforcing your policy by removing _the option_ to go back is
bad politics, especially when at the same time lkml discussed whether
CONFIG_4KSTACKS should depend on CONFIG_BROKEN. What is there to gain
by removing the option? Very wrong educational skills IMHO.

> > If fedora.us accepts the fact that multiple-repos (co)exist, and would
> > be willing to work on interoperability/compatibility I would very much
> > welcome a new kernel module framework outside of Arjan's reach ;)
> 
> You know, YOU and 2 or 3 other people are the reason I entirely
> stopped caring about this. No matter what I do you or those others
> will just flame me and personally attack me. So I rather do just
> nothing and ignore the entire thing.

If you were only to ignore and leave things as are all would be
well. It is your "improvements" we are all so afraid of ...

Speaking of personal attacks, please stop being paranoic, and accept
critisim as a grown up (I was the first and only to thank you for
putting back kernel-sourcecode in the first round of social
experiments). There is no Anti-Arjan conspiracy, people are just
pissed off by the way you introduce breakage.

The critisim in the 8-weeks old debate had been constructive, but you
did not care about the feedback. I recommend reviewing this:

http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-June/msg01050.html

-- 
Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net
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