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Re: Package requests wishlist - pine



On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:37:01 -0500 (CDT), Rex Dieter
<rdieter math unl edu> wrote:
> I disagree.  I would argue that having to wait for upstream fixes
> certainly does *not* imply a package in unmaintainable.

It depends on the situation that needs fixing.  We could wax eloquent
about the hypothetical situations beyond what peter has already
mentioned for a long while.  For some packages there can be fedora
specific integration issues that upstream doesn't want to "fix". Peter
already touch on one such potential situation regarding mbox
corruption.  And as a policy, letting in packages with licenses that
prevent patching at the packaging level is overly restrictive burdon
on the Fedora community who might need to make distribution
integration changes to upstream programs. I think you have a different
definition of maintenance, that I have. Mine includes making an effort
to make sure the the project integrates smoothly with Fedora
specifically. Pine's license doesn't allow for any level of
integration tweaking and thats a real problem.

> You just wait for upstream fixes.  Maybe, oh maybe, you (or I as packager)
> could even join pine's mailing lists, and be able to know the development
> progress of bugs/fixes.  I'd bet you can't tell me there currently exists
> no packages in Fedora Core/Extras that doesn't have to wait to upstream
> fixes.

The burden is on you... find a package in Core/Extras with a license
that dis-allows modified binary redistribution.  Its one thing for
people in the community to choose to wait for upstream to patch, its
quite another to be told via license restriction that the community
does not have a choice. I bet there are lots of examples of packages
in Core/Extras where patches to upstream have been directly applied
instead of being waited for. As a matter of policy its vital to make
sure the option to patch at the packaging level is there.

-jef



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