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Re: Why Elektra is the wrong approach (Was Re: The Strengths and Weakness of Fedora/RHEL OS management)

Bill Rugolsky Jr. wrote:

By two networking configuration stacks you mean the traditional method
and the NetworkManager way?  Wouldn't it have been better to have
an actual design ... rather than thinking up a GUI interface to some
use case, then starting coding?

Pete's condescension is right on target: core Linux components are
being replaced by people who, by their own admission, "hate Unix."

Well, the former goes hand in hand with the latter, apparently. There
is a saying: "Those that don't understand Unix are comdemned to
reimplement it ... poorly".

It seems that an "unusual requirement" is one that is difficult and
inconvenient for that other operating system, i.e., a requirement
that foregoes the monkey pressing buttons in front of a
bitmapped display.

The irony is that legacy operating systems are moving in the opposite
direction, introducing text, tools and domain-specific little languages.

Unix/Linux carries years of baggage, mis-designed features, and half-baked
implementations.  But today's GNOME hackers seem to have completely
missed the value of (1) text, (2) tools, and (3) domain-specific little
languages and protocols.  One area where Unix went somewhat astray is
that script and config syntax differences created unnecessary impedance [the
original point of this thread] -- the Lisp machine folks had that much
right.  Two decades later, it's easy to see that domain-specific languages
are best built without inventing lots of arcane syntax; these days S-exprs
have been replaced by XML, XSLT (*vomit*), and worse.

In my experience, XML does not really work for domain specific languages
because it is too heavy on syntax baggage for humans - it is best
thought of as textual XDR: good for program-to-program data interchange.
I believe your reaction to XSLT confirms this.

simply stuffing name/value config pairs in a file is not the same as
domain-specific design.

I'm not holding my breath waiting for support for 20-year-old
"unusual requirements" to be bolted on later.

Davide Bolcioni
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