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udev problems and starting KDE



Hello,

Upgraded rawhide from a couple of weeksa go to rawhide of yesterday.
When booting I get a load of udev messages:

    Starting udev: udevd-event[592]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/tty/ttyS0/bus' failed
    udevd-event[595]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/tty/ttyS3/bus' failed
    udevd-event[596]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/block/hda/bus' failed
    udevd-event[593]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/tty/ttyS1/bus' failed
    udevd-event[594]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/tty/ttyS2/bus' failed
    udevd-event[617]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/block/hdb/bus' failed
    udevd-event[691]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/graphics/fb0/bus' failed
    udevd-event[692]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/input/input0/event0/bus' failed
    udevd-event[694]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/input/input1/event1/bus' failed
    udevd-event[696]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/input/input1/mouse0/bus' failed
    udevd-event[736]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/pcmcia_socket/pcmcia_socket1/bus' failed
    udevd-event[748]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/input/input2/bus' failed
    udevd-event[810]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/net/eth0/bus' failed
    udevd-event[823]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/pcmcia_socket/pcmcia_socket0/bus' failed
    udevd-event[844]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/sound/pcmC0D0c/bus' failed
    udevd-event[843]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/sound/pcmC0D0p/bus' failed
    udevd-event[845]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/sound/dsp/bus' failed
    udevd-event[846]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/sound/audio/bus' failed
    udevd-event[855]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/ieee1394_host/fw-host0/bus' failed
    udevd-event[853]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/block/hde/bus' failed
    udevd-event[856]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/sound/controlC0/bus' failed
    udevd-event[857]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/sound/mixer/bus' failed
    udevd-event[881]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/block/hda/hda1/bus' failed
    udevd-event[882]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/block/hda/hda2/bus' failed
    udevd-event[883]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/block/hda/hda3/bus' failed
    udevd-event[885]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/block/hda/hda5/bus' failed
    udevd-event[886]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/block/hda/hda6/bus' failed
    udevd-event[887]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/block/hda/hda7/bus' failed
    udevd-event[888]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/block/hda/hda8/bus' failed
    udevd-event[884]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/block/hda/hda4/bus' failed
    udevd-event[895]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/ieee1394_node/364fc00015881410/bus' failed
    udevd-event[899]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/ieee1394/364fc00015881410-0/bus' failed
    udevd-event[936]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/input/input0/bus' failed
    udevd-event[931]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/input/input1/bus' failed
    udevd-event[947]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/input/input2/mouse1/bus' failed
    udevd-event[948]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/class/input/input2/event2/bus' failed
    udevd-event[995]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/block/hde/hde1/bus' failed
    udevd-event[1084]: wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/block/fd0/bus' failed


When I kill udevd and run /sbin/start_udev again the messages are gone...

I don't know if it is related but since the upgrade I cannot start kde or gnome
anymore as a normal user. For kde I get:

    startkde: Starting up...
    DCOP aborting call from 'anonymous-776' to 'kded'
    startkde: Shutting down...
    klauncher: Exiting on signal 1
    startkde: Running shutdown scripts...
    startkde: Done.

Starting X and KDE as root works fine though!

I reinstalled the whole kde set, and een went back to kde of FC5test3 
(as suggested by older post having similar problems), but that does not
help. Also removing the .kde tree does not help.
It probably is some sort of permission problem but I don't have a clue
where to look....

Any suggestions?

Thanks

-Marcel
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