Double dare ya, Fedora! And your art sucks!

Fri Mar 31 17:58:48 UTC 2006

Excuses for all..

    Yeah... there are concrete problems with the lack of the java plug
    in. But besides that I had problems with some applications (class
    this and class that not found... and lots of other errors and
    messages, but I'm not St. Claire - Santa Clara - to give light to
    blind people, nor I'm under contract to point out again and again
    where inconsistencies appear). BTW, try to run Gentleware SW
    Poseidon for UML without Sun Java... Try to develop sw for portables
    using Waba/Super-Waba or the likes without Sun Java... anyways, I
    think that at the moment the discussion turned quite "religious" and
    around "dogma" so I'll pretend everything is ok and stop posting,
    pretending that if nobody complains, then there are no problems at all.

    I wrote consistently in past around problems with SATA RAID (RAID1)
    and computer locking without leaving a single trace message for you
    to work with and try to discover what happened. Last week another
    guy started the same "via crucis"... Perhaps next week someone else
    will engage the line and post the same question... My advice to the
    poor boys... convince your boss to purchase external SCSI raid. But
    before, see if it is compatible... avoid the risk of get it even not
    recognized by Operating System.

    I warned about USB system not recognizing OV-511 devices. Well it is
    not true: if you turn your computer off and them turn it on... it
    recognizes it... but don't unplug from main power lines... just turn
    off and on...

    The current kernel (2.8.16-1.2083_FC6) issues a message that the
    processor of my box is overheating, so speed is going down... That's
    not true and I sent an e-mail... The answer was: not enough data,
    but that was all the data recorded... BTW, I'm not working in a
    morgue, but temperatures are around 20C... Solution? Easy: download
    kernel source (not available by default), fix it, recompile it...
    re-install it. And now I work without the annoyance of "clock speed
    throttling down and" until the computer gets stuck... BTW, if
    someone cares, heat sensors get crazy whenever FPU is required like
    with setiathome (BOINC). Processor: Pentium 4 @ 2.8GHz (not that
    Ferrari). All coolers and fans working properly...

    NVIDIA is a "recurrent" issue... and official position is that
    people don't need NVIDA official drivers... because if you want to
    play a game you will use a M$ box or a PS2 box... They forgot people
    who, by any chance, may be interested in using CAD software that
    creates 3D real time animations (no problem... you save your
    animation and see it later like a mpeg4 movie... eeepss... like avi
    movie... eeepsss... like theora movie). Or you download everything
    you need (step by step) from livna, DAG or other places... And so on
    and so forth... (even if you're not systems manager, even if you
    have a schedule to deliver the work ...). But perhaps I should
    became an evangelist and start going to the CAD and Game and
    Sound/Music/Video companies convincing them that ogg/theora is the
    holly word. Until it is not.

    Hey, I'm in the "business" from early 80's... remember: OSI network
    with it's 7 layer architecture would be the future of networking...
    the heated discussion about field-bus and other architectures... and
    why ethernet would never be used inside a factory or production
    platform... The needs for the complicated OSI management (nowadays
    everybody uses SNMP) and why ASN-2 would be the word in terms of
    data description (nowadays everybody uses XML).

    I watched heated discussions around Lotos/Estelle and other "formal
    protocol description languages"... None became standard or evolved
    to important commercial product. You know some? Please, name it to me...

    The "big promise for the 90's", the Ethernet-V6 is still a promise
    in the 2000's... address and QoS issues are being asserted in
    Ethernet-V4...

    Then came ISDN for "fast SOHO and home use"... ISDN (64kbps) became
    Fast ISDN (128kbps) and now both are deeeeaaaad. Now we talk about
    2mbps ADSL/Cable connections... And, naturally, 2Mbps wireless...

    I was just present when heated discussions about the advantages of
    ATM and why "megabit ethernet" would never launch. Saw every type of
    simulations... Now we are discussing Gigabit Ethernet and I have
    seem very few people working around ATM.

    In short: dogma sucks...

    Now I don't use NVIDIA anymore (thanks to Fedora) and use SiS...

    Then, at some point someone inside said that the responsibility of
    "Fedora People" is with "RedHat share holders". Then it (the
    discussion) got really crazy: not to "cause trouble" to the company,
    lets make it less functional and competitive... Then, when I say
    what happens in the biggest market of LA (not Mexico), they "kindly
    remove the top of the message"... But if the responsibility is with
    the share holders, them they must know why sales are bleak... Not
    that I really care about that... I am not a RedHat share holder...

    I just happened to see the movie "Supersize-me" from mr. Spurlock in
    the HBO2 channel. McDonalds behavior just make me think about the
    meaning of this conversation. With the complication that at no point
    mr. Spurlock was called by any official from McDonalds of being
    "stupid". Neither he had to hear "if you're not satisfied with
    McDonalds, why don't you eat at Burger King, just next block"...

Bye and Godspeed

Pedro Fernandes Macedo escreveu:
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:15:02 -0500, Andrew Overholt <overholt at redhat.com> escreveu:
>   
>> * Casimiro de Almeida Barreto <casimiro.barreto at gmail.com> [2006-03-28 07:59]:
>>     
>>> The java that comes along with GCC runs only about 10-20% of Java Applications
>>> in market. Want examples: try to access any Brazilian bank using "Fedora
>>> standard Java".
>>>       
>> Can you give concrete examples?  Preferably as bugs?
>>     
>
> The banks that he mentions require a java plugin, so he will have to wait for the work on the plugin.
> As for the applications, I dont have any examples of well known applications, except the bug report I just filled (bug 187513), about a JFileChooser that shows no files in the directory and throws an exception if you click on area where the files should be. 
>
> --
> Pedro Macedo
>
>   

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/attachments/20060331/046105b7/attachment.htm>