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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: FC5->FC6T3 (DVD) upgrade dies. Time to consider test4?
     (Was:  Yum upgrade?) (alan)
  2. Re: FC5->FC6T3 (DVD) upgrade dies. Time to consider test4?
     (Was: Yum upgrade?) (Rahul)
  3. Re: FC5->FC6T3 (DVD) upgrade dies. Time to consider test4?
     (Was: Yum upgrade?) (alan)
  4. Re: wake-up from suspend (Kevin Fenzi)
  5. Re: wake-up from suspend (Till Maas)
  6. todays rawhide segfaults ipv6 (Louis Garcia)
  7. Re: wake-up from suspend (Thorsten Leemhuis)
  8. Re: wake-up from suspend (Dan Hor?k)
  9. Re: wake-up from suspend (Richard Hughes)
 10. Re: wake-up from suspend (David Zeuthen)
 11. Re: todays rawhide segfaults ipv6 (Bill Nottingham)
 12. Re: FC5->FC6T3 (DVD) upgrade dies. Time to consider test4?
     (Was: Yum upgrade?) (Ian Burrell)
 13. development-source repository broken (Ian Burrell)
 14. Re: wake-up from suspend (Till Maas)
 15. Re: wake-up from suspend (Richard Hughes)
 16. Re: cups daemon not starting with test3 (Orion Poplawski)
 17. Re: Anyone working on kdelibs4 snapshot packages for
     developers? (Kevin Kofler)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:05:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: alan <alan clueserver org>
Subject: Re: FC5->FC6T3 (DVD) upgrade dies. Time to consider test4?
(Was:  Yum upgrade?)
To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
<fedora-devel-list redhat com>
Message-ID: <Pine LNX 4 64 0609190901210 21327 blackbox fnordora org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:


Le Mar 19 septembre 2006 04:08, Mike Chambers a écrit :
And from
FC5 to rawhide is a supported upgrade and *is suppose* to work

FCn to rawhide is always supposed to work, else there would be no way to
get testers on rawhide in the first place (all the maintainers who let the
devel version of their package bitrot should remember this)

What's allways been officially non-supported is update from rawhide to
anything else (which is a shame)

Last night I tested the upgrade on an i386 based install of FC5 using
FC6t3.

Not good.

It gets to the part where it figures out what to upgrade and bjorks with
an exception on the package "system-config-mouse" claiming that it
contains an unknown header of "basepath".

The system has a bunch of packages from Core, Extras and Freshrpms.net.
It had just been upgraded from FC4 within the last week or so with no
problems.  All the updates were current. I have not tested what happens if
I remove that one package.

--
"Oh, Joel Miller, you've just found the marble in the oatmeal. You're a
lucky, lucky, lucky little boy. 'Cause you know why? You get to drink
from... the FIRE HOOOOOSE!"
        - The Stanley Spudoski guide to mailing list administration

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:38:59 +0530
From: Rahul <sundaram fedoraproject org>
Subject: Re: FC5->FC6T3 (DVD) upgrade dies. Time to consider test4?
(Was: Yum upgrade?)
To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
<fedora-devel-list redhat com>
Message-ID: <4510161B 5020800 fedoraproject org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

alan wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:


Le Mar 19 septembre 2006 04:08, Mike Chambers a écrit :
And from
FC5 to rawhide is a supported upgrade and *is suppose* to work

FCn to rawhide is always supposed to work, else there would be no way to
get testers on rawhide in the first place (all the maintainers who let
the
devel version of their package bitrot should remember this)

What's allways been officially non-supported is update from rawhide to
anything else (which is a shame)

Last night I tested the upgrade on an i386 based install of FC5 using
FC6t3.

Not good.

It gets to the part where it figures out what to upgrade and bjorks with
an exception on the package "system-config-mouse" claiming that it
contains an unknown header of "basepath".

Thats strange because system-config-mouse was dropped before FC5 release.

http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/#id2947593



The system has a bunch of packages from Core, Extras and Freshrpms.net.
It had just been upgraded from FC4 within the last week or so with no
problems.  All the updates were current. I have not tested what happens
if I remove that one package.

Can you check that?

Rahul



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:15:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: alan <alan clueserver org>
Subject: Re: FC5->FC6T3 (DVD) upgrade dies. Time to consider test4?
(Was: Yum upgrade?)
To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
<fedora-devel-list redhat com>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Rahul wrote:

alan wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:


Le Mar 19 septembre 2006 04:08, Mike Chambers a écrit :
And from
FC5 to rawhide is a supported upgrade and *is suppose* to work

FCn to rawhide is always supposed to work, else there would be no way to get testers on rawhide in the first place (all the maintainers who let the
devel version of their package bitrot should remember this)

What's allways been officially non-supported is update from rawhide to
anything else (which is a shame)

Last night I tested the upgrade on an i386 based install of FC5 using
FC6t3.

Not good.

It gets to the part where it figures out what to upgrade and bjorks with an exception on the package "system-config-mouse" claiming that it contains an
unknown header of "basepath".

Thats strange because system-config-mouse was dropped before FC5 release.

http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/#id2947593

Probably left over from the upgrade from FC4 to FC5.

This is going to bite anyone who upgrades FC4->FC5->FC6.

The system has a bunch of packages from Core, Extras and Freshrpms.net. It
had just been upgraded from FC4 within the last week or so with no
problems. All the updates were current. I have not tested what happens if
I remove that one package.

Can you check that?

I will tonight.  (I stopped working on it at 4:30am this morning.  At
least the insomnia was useful for something...)

--
"Oh, Joel Miller, you've just found the marble in the oatmeal. You're a
lucky, lucky, lucky little boy. 'Cause you know why? You get to drink
from... the FIRE HOOOOOSE!"
        - The Stanley Spudoski guide to mailing list administration

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:14:44 -0600 (MDT)
From: Kevin Fenzi <kevin-redhat-devel scrye com>
Subject: Re: wake-up from suspend
To: fedora-devel-list redhat com
Message-ID: <20060919 101444 1039899570 kevin scrye com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

"John" == John DeDourek <dedourek unb ca> writes:

John> Dan Horák wrote:
I am seeing the same behaviour on Quanta ZW9, it has Intel chipset
and Ati graphics.  Dan

John> It would be useful to know which "Ati graphics" chipset you
John> have.  /sbin/lspci will tell you what the OS is seeing as the
John> graphics chip.

John> We have two IBM/Lenova T42 laptops: one has ATI 7500, the other
John> ATI 9600.  The 7500 suspends to RAM and resumes nicely; the 9600
John> suspends, but comes back with a blank screen, for both X and the
John> console windows.  The machines is otherwise "live" as witness
John> that it is possible to do a CTRL-ALT F2 to gain a text console;
John> login as root; and execute "shutdown -h".  All, of course,
John> without seeing what you are typing, so you need to use the
John> keyboard very carefully.

I have a T42p with a 9600 in it.
It works great on suspend/resume, but you must add:

acpi_sleep=s3_bios

to your kernel boot line in grub.conf.
If you don't do that you get a blank screen on resume.
Perhaps you could try that?

John> If anyone has some pointers to useful information gathering
John> techniques for this problem, I would be interested.

Try acpi_sleep=s3_bios.

It's working great here.

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M10 NT [FireGL Mobility T2] (rev 80)

       Manufacturer: IBM
       Product Name: 2378RVU
       Version: ThinkPad T42p

kevin
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:13:55 +0200
From: Till Maas <opensource till name>
Subject: Re: wake-up from suspend
To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
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On Tuesday 19 September 2006 18:14, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

I have a T42p with a 9600 in it.
It works great on suspend/resume, but you must add:

acpi_sleep=s3_bios

Or you can do this:
"echo -n 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/acpi_video_flags"

which has the same effect but you do not need to change your grub.conf or
reboot.
If you want this permanently you can set, which enables this after every
reboot:

"kernel.acpi_video_flags = 1" in /etc/sysctl.conf

Regards,
Till
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:31:20 -0400
From: Louis Garcia <louisg00 bellsouth net>
Subject: todays rawhide segfaults ipv6
To: fedora-devel-list redhat com
Message-ID: <1158690680 2667 2 camel soncomputer>
Content-Type: text/plain

ipv6 segfaults while booting and shutting down. As the kernel has not
been updated this might be a userland problem.





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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:41:09 +0200
From: Thorsten Leemhuis <fedora leemhuis info>
Subject: Re: wake-up from suspend
To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
<fedora-devel-list redhat com>
Message-ID: <451039C5 3010601 leemhuis info>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15



Till Maas schrieb:
On Tuesday 19 September 2006 18:14, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

I have a T42p with a 9600 in it.
It works great on suspend/resume, but you must add:
acpi_sleep=s3_bios
Or you can do this:
"echo -n 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/acpi_video_flags" [...]

Or solve the problem once and for all for all users:

http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram
http://hughsient.livejournal.com/2591.html

CU
thl



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:49:47 +0200
From: Dan Hor?k <dan danny cz>
Subject: Re: wake-up from suspend
To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
<fedora-devel-list redhat com>
Message-ID: <1158691787 3496 16 camel eagle danny cz>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Till Maas píše v Ãst 19. 09. 2006 v 20:13 +0200:
On Tuesday 19 September 2006 18:14, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

> I have a T42p with a 9600 in it.
> It works great on suspend/resume, but you must add:
>
> acpi_sleep=s3_bios

Or you can do this:
"echo -n 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/acpi_video_flags"

which has the same effect but you do not need to change your grub.conf or
reboot.
If you want this permanently you can set, which enables this after every
reboot:

"kernel.acpi_video_flags = 1" in /etc/sysctl.conf

Great, it helps me too.


Dan




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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:48:54 +0100
From: Richard Hughes <hughsient gmail com>
Subject: Re: wake-up from suspend
To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
<fedora-devel-list redhat com>
Cc: David Zeuthen <david fubar dk>
Message-ID: <1158691734 4254 7 camel hughsie-laptop localdomain>
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On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 20:13 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
On Tuesday 19 September 2006 18:14, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

> I have a T42p with a 9600 in it.
> It works great on suspend/resume, but you must add:
>
> acpi_sleep=s3_bios

Or you can do this:
"echo -n 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/acpi_video_flags"

With a new version of pm-utils and my hal patch[1], all this would just
work:

<!-- T42p confirmed by Joe Shaw, T41p by Christoph Thiel (both 2373) -->
<match key="smbios.system.product" contains="2371">
 <match key="smbios.system.version" string="ThinkPad X40">
   <append key="info.capabilities"
type="strlist">video_adapter_pm</append>
   <merge key="video_adapter_pm.s3_bios" type="bool">true</merge>
   <merge key="video_adapter_pm.s3_mode" type="bool">true</merge>
 </match>
</match>

When FC6 is released, I hope we can start working on full pm-utils
integration for suspend and resume.

Richard.

[1] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/hal/2006-September/006094.html



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:05:04 -0400
From: David Zeuthen <david fubar dk>
Subject: Re: wake-up from suspend
To: richard hughsie com
Cc: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
<fedora-devel-list redhat com>
Message-ID: <1158692704 10770 90 camel daxter boston redhat com>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 19:48 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 20:13 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 September 2006 18:14, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
> > I have a T42p with a 9600 in it.
> > It works great on suspend/resume, but you must add:
> >
> > acpi_sleep=s3_bios
>
> Or you can do this:
> "echo -n 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/acpi_video_flags"

With a new version of pm-utils and my hal patch[1], all this would just
work:

<!-- T42p confirmed by Joe Shaw, T41p by Christoph Thiel (both 2373) -->
<match key="smbios.system.product" contains="2371">
  <match key="smbios.system.version" string="ThinkPad X40">
    <append key="info.capabilities"
type="strlist">video_adapter_pm</append>
    <merge key="video_adapter_pm.s3_bios" type="bool">true</merge>
    <merge key="video_adapter_pm.s3_mode" type="bool">true</merge>
  </match>
</match>

When FC6 is released, I hope we can start working on full pm-utils
integration for suspend and resume.

Right. I want this to be in HAL 0.5.9 scheduled for release in December
2006. There's a few things we need to fix (cause this is a bunch of
data), for example the "HAL parses 10 million XML files" issue that
davej so eloquently pointed out in his blog and at OLS :-)

But that's more on topic for the HAL list.

   David





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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:10:36 -0400
From: Bill Nottingham <notting redhat com>
Subject: Re: todays rawhide segfaults ipv6
To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
<fedora-devel-list redhat com>
Message-ID: <20060919191036 GC9215 nostromo devel redhat com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Louis Garcia (louisg00 bellsouth net) said:
ipv6 segfaults while booting and shutting down. As the kernel has not
been updated this might be a userland problem.

It is, will be fixed tomorrow.

Bill



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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:18:59 -0700
From: "Ian Burrell" <ianburrell gmail com>
Subject: Re: FC5->FC6T3 (DVD) upgrade dies. Time to consider test4?
(Was: Yum upgrade?)
To: "Development discussions related to Fedora Core"
<fedora-devel-list redhat com>
Message-ID:
<d91f09cd0609191218y6c982944nb72561d0dbe3bfe6 mail gmail com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

On 9/19/06, alan <alan clueserver org> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Rahul wrote:
>
> Thats strange because system-config-mouse was dropped before FC5 > release.
>
> http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/#id2947593

Probably left over from the upgrade from FC4 to FC5.

This is going to bite anyone who upgrades FC4->FC5->FC6.


Then you need to remove it first.  One downside of the yum upgrade is
that it does not remove obsolete packages.  After I do a yum upgrade,
I always do a "yum list extras" and remove the obsoleted packages.
And it much safer to remove and reinstall packages from third-party
repositories.

- Ian



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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:37:45 -0700
From: "Ian Burrell" <ianburrell gmail com>
Subject: development-source repository broken
To: "Development discussions related to Fedora Core"
<fedora-devel-list redhat com>
Message-ID:
<d91f09cd0609191237m22c22076s7bb7f5578c5785f0 mail gmail com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

The repodata for the development-source repository has gone missing.
Where would I report the bug?

This causes "yumdownload -e development-source --source" to fail.
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/source/
has no repodata directory.

Also, the rawhide fedora-development.repo uses
mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=rawhide-source&arch=$basearch
which responds with: "no repository available for repo rawhide-source".

- Ian



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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:40:03 +0200
From: Till Maas <opensource till name>
Subject: Re: wake-up from suspend
To: richard hughsie com, Development discussions related to Fedora
Core <fedora-devel-list redhat com>
Message-ID: <200609192140 11015 opensource till name>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

On Tuesday 19 September 2006 20:48, Richard Hughes wrote:

<!-- T42p confirmed by Joe Shaw, T41p by Christoph Thiel (both 2373) -->
      ^^^^                                                      ^^^^
<match key="smbios.system.product" contains="2371">
                                              ^^^^
  <match key="smbios.system.version" string="ThinkPad X40">
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is the comment really for the commented data?

When FC6 is released, I hope we can start working on full pm-utils
integration for suspend and resume.

What are the advantages of pm-utils against s2ram, s2disk and s2both? Will
there be support for suspending to cryptsetup-luks encrypted swap? Or is this
something another package must take care of?

Regards,
Till
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:10:41 +0100
From: Richard Hughes <hughsient gmail com>
Subject: Re: wake-up from suspend
To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core
<fedora-devel-list redhat com>
Cc: richard hughsie com
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On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 21:40 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
On Tuesday 19 September 2006 20:48, Richard Hughes wrote:

> <!-- T42p confirmed by Joe Shaw, T41p by Christoph Thiel (both > 2373) -->
       ^^^^                                                      ^^^^
> <match key="smbios.system.product" contains="2371">
                                               ^^^^
>   <match key="smbios.system.version" string="ThinkPad X40">
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is the comment really for the commented data?

Hmm. I see what you mean. I've just converted the data from the suspend
project so there may be typos like this.

> When FC6 is released, I hope we can start working on full pm-utils
> integration for suspend and resume.

What are the advantages of pm-utils against s2ram, s2disk and s2both? Will there be support for suspending to cryptsetup-luks encrypted swap? Or is this
something another package must take care of?

pm-utils is basically a way of doing "stuff" before and after a suspend
or hibernate.

See http://hughsient.livejournal.com/764.html for a description of what
it does. I'm pretty sure the actual mechanism for suspending can
switched, but I'm not sure about that.

Richard.




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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:15:59 -0600
From: Orion Poplawski <orion cora nwra com>
Subject: Re: cups daemon not starting with test3
To: fedora-devel-list redhat com
Message-ID: <eepq6v$vjj$1 sea gmane org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Louis Garcia wrote:

My /etc/hosts file is:

# Do not remove the following line, or various programs
# that require network functionality will fail.
::1     soncomputer     localhost.localdomain   localhost

shouldn't the localhost be 127.0.0.1 ?


Well, that's the ipv6 loopback, but there should be another nearly
identical line with 127.0.0.1 as well.

--
Orion Poplawski
System Administrator                  303-415-9701 x222
NWRA/CoRA Division                    FAX: 303-415-9702
3380 Mitchell Lane                  orion cora nwra com
Boulder, CO 80301              http://www.cora.nwra.com



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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:00:47 +0000 (UTC)
From: Kevin Kofler <kevin kofler chello at>
Subject: Re: Anyone working on kdelibs4 snapshot packages for
developers?
To: fedora-devel-list redhat com
Message-ID: <loom 20060920T025658-528 post gmane org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Rex Dieter <rdieter <at> math.unl.edu> writes:
I can help out.  We can host these packages on
http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/
(in the "unstable" repo prolly)

Thanks.

Don't have a distributed buildsystem yet (ie, haven't gotten plague working
yet), so atm, I'll have to manually queue srpm's to mock.

OK.

Other than that, my participation/help will most likely be minimal (for
awhile anyway), got a pretty full plate.

Yeah, I know how that feels... I've got way too much stuff to do too, so I
don't promise I'll get anywhere (also considering that the KDE builds I'll have
to do to test my specfiles probably take hours on my slow computer).

I must say I'm also worried about getting flooded with questions like this:
http://dot.kde.org/1158239585/1158694433/

       Kevin Kofler



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