sysvinit VS initng VS upstart VS launchd (Was: Future New Init for FC7?)

Rudolf Kastl che666 at gmail.com
Fri Apr 6 08:50:42 UTC 2007


2007/4/5, Patrice Dumas <pertusus at free.fr>:
> On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 05:30:05PM +0200, Trond Danielsen wrote:
> > 2007/4/5, Patrice Dumas <pertusus at free.fr>:
> > >I think this is a very wrong direction for fedora. Free software is
> > >about choice. And also being able to test innovative technologies.
> >
> > Free software is indeed about choices, but creating a distribution is
> > also about making choices. If the distribution does not make them, but
> > leave them to the user, then a distribution is nothing more than
> > collection of packages bundled together.
>
> I also disagree. There is something between 'a collection of packages
> bundled together' and a distribution where all the choices are made for
> the user. To take the example of Fedora it is more than a collection of
> packages, but not because of the choice of packages bundled, but because
>
> * there are some packaging standards
> * there are some defaults
> * the packages are integrated into the distribution
>
> It was explicit in fedora extras that the only reason not to accept a
> package was a license issue, or a conflict with core. I hope that
> it hasn't changed.
>
> > Power users are indeed welcome to test new things. That does not mean
> > that everything has to be in the main repositories and thereby risking
> > breaking things for many users.
>
> Breaking what? Theya re parallel installable and not installed.
>
> > I remember asking many years on #fedora why some cheezy window manager
> > that I wanted to try wasn't available in Fedora. My question was
> > exactly the same as yours: "Isn't free software about choices?". The
> > answer I got was the same as the one I've given here. This lead me
> > into a dark journey through many distributions, looking for the
> > answer. But eventually I grew up, and wanted a distribution that made
> > some sane decisions for me, and not forcing me to deal with every
> > little detail of the system.
>
> Maybe you are not using the right distribution then. Thanks to fedora
> extras, there are now plenty window managers, including fluxbox, wmx,
> blackbox, fvwm, icewm, mwm, twm, pekwm, windowMaker and many others.
> The only one I know about that I know isn't in fedora is rox.
>
> I reviewed some of these (including icewm, fvwm and pekwm) and I always
> made sure that they were rightly integrated in fedora, by having the
> freedesktop menuu, an entry in /usr/share/xsessions/, using xdg-open
> to open files, htmlview instead of a random browser. That, is our
> packager work, not removing user choice.

there are around 20 wms i know offhand that arent in the distribution yet.

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