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Re: sysvinit VS initng VS upstart VS launchd (Was: Future New Init for FC7?)



Patrice Dumas wrote:
On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 08:02:51PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
The problem is that users wouldn't know that the init system they are installing wont work with several packages because these don't provide the init scripts that work with the alternative init system they just installed. If basic integration was not done, the alternative init system would result in non-functional packages, crashes or worse non booting systems.

In my opinion, a user who installs an alternate init system should
know about it and understand what happens if it doesn't work. Of course
the init system should basically work, otherwise it shouldn't be in the
stable branch but I don't think that we should wait for all packages
to be covered by the init system before letting it go in the stable
branch.

Right. I think then we are in agreement on that. The tricky question is what is the point at we allow a new init system into the stable repository. What % of services should be covered? We need to have some policies to ensure that a user doesn't end up with unbootable systems just because they install a new package. Last time I played with initng it required configuration changes and it had boot options to fall back to using the default init system. We need policies to ensure that similar things are in place for any other init systems we allow into the stable repo.

What I am trying to say is that a user who expect new init systems to
work perfectly and isn't using it to help ameliorating it is not doing the right thing.

We have lots of end users who don't file bug reports when they come across brokeness. I haven't always done it methologically myself. Sometimes a workaround is just easier. I don't think that's free riding. Just different priorities.

I am not very knowledgable with init systems. Maybe I could come with
something, but I have a lot of other fedora related tasks in the queue
with higher precedence.

If you are advocating for alternative init systems I hope you take sometime to do that.

Rahul


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