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Re: Wiki Migration

On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 09:49 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
> Marc Wiriadisastra wrote:
> > <snip>
> >   
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> As discussed on IRC my vote is anything that has a CMS built into it. 
> >>>
> >>> I personally feel a lot of things are done behind closed doors and
> >>> really feeding the hungry public with information of whats coming up and
> >>> things that have occurred is nothing but a bonus.
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >> This is completely false.  On the websites (content) side:
> >>
> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/ShowUs There's also the websites 
> >> list, the docs list, #fedora-websites and #fedora-docs.
> >>
> >> If you're interested in the hosting side of things you'll want to talk 
> >> to the Infrastructure team.  We have weekly meetings, there's the 
> >> #fedora-admin channel and the fedora-infrastructure-list.  If you think 
> >> we should replace the wiki with the CMS feel free to state your case on 
> >> that list and we'll discuss but I think you'll find that for most 
> >> content that would require a CMS the docs team handles that (and they're 
> >> currently moving towards a CMS).  If you think you can organize the wiki 
> >> with a CMS and that its the best way to go, lets see the proposal.
> >>     
> >>> I've been advised that plone does this as do other CMS/Wiki's out there.
> >>> There are Java based one's out there already I'm not to sure how they
> >>> fit into the scheme of things but information to help the marketing,
> >>> ambassadors and other contributors to Fedora would be helpful.
> >>>       
> >> We've been trying to get plone up and running for not 1, not 2 but going 
> >> on 3 years now when February hits.  We even have a big Plone advocate 
> >> working on it with the docs team and yet its still not here.  I'm not 
> >> saying anything bad about the technology but I'm a pretty results 
> >> oriented guy and the proof is in the pudding.  Plone is a resource / 
> >> attention needy application.  I hope the docs guys get a good product 
> >> out of it but in general I'd like to see Fedora's commitment to Plone 
> >> stop there until such a time comes that it can play well with the 
> >> language it was written in (just my 2 cents).
> >>
> >>     -Mike
> >>
> >>     
> >
> > While I understand that it isn't just one website I would like to think
> > that there is sufficient technology around that an integrated wiki/cms
> > type solution is out there for the sake of ease.
> >
> > While my suggestion of Plone is based on the small amount of information
> > I have. I personally have not used it so my information is based on
> > other people's opinions.
> >
> > My opinion is based on http://www.gentoo.org/ where they have links to
> > associated sections. News is on the front page mainly the Newsletter but
> > at least its a form of letting people know what is going on.
> >   
> We have a rotating banner with Fedora Weekly News as well as a current 
> open ticket:
> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/178
> for a news site.  Just needs worker bees.
> > I'm just hoping that there is a streamlined method out there.  Developer
> > puts a feature page in the wiki it gets approved it gets shifted to a
> > news item that says we are trying to get x thing implemented by Fedora
> > x.
> >   
> Adding process is typically just the opposite of streamline.  Anyone can 
> go and alter the wiki right now (and are encouraged to do so)
>     -Mike

Altering the wiki doesn't solve the issue of getting the latest news of
what is happening out there.  It will end up taking human hours to get
information out.

I'm not explaining myself correctly or what I'm explaining isn't viewed
as what is needed.

The simplest method is that we try and leverage the technology to reduce
the hour required to look through the wiki and find the information.  It
then requires someone to transplant it and put it somewhere and somehow
make it into a news item.

Where are news posts place not including FWN?  Where are the new
features put in a concise linked up page?  Where can workflow be
organised in the sense of a doc created then authorised before release
not docbook since cvs is used.

It's not meant to restrict people further rather to make things more
organised.  It's meant to actually make things easier.

It is a crap load of work without a doubt but I think if
migration/change doesn't happen. It will take a significant amount of
effort to do later.  If it ever gets done later. I'm not advocating
doing it in a month or two months just that it gets done before the wiki
gets unwieldy.

I've said my bit and I hope it has been explained sufficiently that
people see a different point of view.



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