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Re: Slightly OT: bad rap for Fedora, and realistic effects

On Friday 23 February 2007 10:25, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> Repeatedly, there have been references to relevant topics on internal
> lists, involving Fedora or Core. I've pointed out a few examples long
> ago. With regard to the Fedora Merge, most recent is this one:
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg00577.ht
> Now, I guess somebody will deny that it's relevant discussion. Still, you
> cannot deny that internal lists plus interal IRC plus additional forms of
> internal communication don't do a community project any good when public
> communication channels are criticised for their poor s/n ratio.

Here's the deal with this one, it was sent to internal lists, because many RH 
maintainers weren't reading external lists.  We wanted to make sure they read 
this message.  And much of the thread was about how Red Hat Engineering would 
interact with Fedora in the merged world, and what that means for RHEL.  Some 
of that just couldn't be spoken about externally.  Also, this isn't 
indicative that there are other threads going on, the internal lists are 
pretty devoid of actual Fedora content.

> > > * more closed circles, in which decisions are made -- including
> > > mysteries like brew, koji, and code transfer for the new Updates
> > > System,
> >
> > These decisions were made at the Fedora summit, with the Fedora board and
> > other community folks, complete with an IRC channel during the live
> > discussions.  Further discussion has happened in Fedora board meetings
> > and public Fedora lists.
> Which lists exactly?

Fedora Advisory Board, fedora-devel-list, fedora-infrastructure-list to name a 

> > > * unclear role of FESCo, not enough steering -- instead: the drive
> > > that "you don't need to be in FESCo to get something done",
> >
> > I don't even know what you mean by this.
> That's sad. But you're not listed as a FESCo member anyway.

That's unfortunate, as I was dragged back into FESCo recently.

> Perhaps I should lose my hope that somebody else in FESCo still has
> a clue what I refer to.

You seem very bitter.  My comment above was more "I don't understand the 
language used."  I could take a guess at what you meant, but that would be an 
assumption, and we all know how fun those are.

If you're referring to our desire to see work done by non-fesco people, well I 
applaud that.  It is absolutely silly to have to be ON Fesco to do anything 
of importance.  All that does is make FESCo far too huge to accomplish 
anything, or it makes people feel that their contributions to the project are 
unwanted if they aren't in FESCo.  Neither is something I'd like to see.

Jesse Keating
Release Engineer: Fedora

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