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Re: The community has lost control... (Was: Re: Don't put new packages through updates-testing)

Le samedi 02 juin 2007 à 15:21 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis a écrit :
> On 02.06.2007 12:28, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 15:25:04 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> >
> > [...]  The community has lost control over what used to be a
> > community-driven Fedora Extras. [...]
> +1 to that -- if Fedora Extras one or two years ago would have wanted to
> switch something like koji or bodhi then I'd say FESCo would have looked
> at it first before Extras would have started to use it.

I don't agree at all:

1. FESCo's past decisions were constrained by the way Core was built,
it's totally unreasonable to claim it would have made the same choices
in a merged context

2. Merging means Core packages have their say on Extras just like Extras
packagers have their say on Core. That's how merges work. Original
control is diluted in exchange of a broader reach. 

3. The current grumbling and contestation is aimed both at merge changes
and at FESCo decisions. People object to decisions enforcement because
they just want to do their own thing. FE was never about freewheeling
individualities (witness the numerous guidelines produced). I don't hear
many base packagers objecting, and frankly the way the "community" is
invoked in support of a small number of personalities is grating on my
nerves a lot. Community ≠ big packagers club

4. I'm actually pretty amazed things went so smoothly considering the
late crash-landing of koji and bodhi. The infrastructure team made a
terrific job, give them some slack. Things will be fixed faster by cool
problem reporting than by flaming endlessly on the lists.

Nicolas Mailhot

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