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Re: The community has lost control... (Was: Re: Don't put new packages through updates-testing)

On 03.06.2007 09:38, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 08:48 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
>> Further: I don't blame the current situation is FESCo's fault (¹,²)
> It's definitely not their fault alone, but there can't be any doubt they
> share their part of guilt.

Well, we all likely share a part. We all could have yelled louder if we
wanted; it might have changed some things here and there. But I for one
kept mostly quiet until now as I was willing to accept some bumpy time
to get the merge done for F7. But F7 is out now, so now we need to get
things in a better shape again.

I'm actually *wondering* if we should have a "spare time packagers
committee" (or something like that) that represents the packagers that
do their package maintenance work in their spare time. They afaics
sometimes simply don't have the time and the power to get their opinion
heard without investing even more of their rare spare time.

> One aspect: They allowed things to happen the way they happened and did
> not intervene when things began to derail.
> A question closely related to this: Would have FESCo been in a position
> to intervene? I am inclined to think no.

I'm inclined to think "yes, if they wanted to".

> The real decisions are taken elsewhere.

Well, that's why I'm urging the board to clarify the work areas for the
Board and FESCo. That is lingering around for months now (see
fab-archives) and it seems everyone has different expectations in that

Regarding that: I still wondering why there is a FESCo election
scheduled for the near future when it's unclear what FESCo and its
members will be responsible for. But it seems that's just me, as I did
not even get one reply to my mail regarding that topic. (Send some days
ago; see
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-June/msg00012.html )


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